Dragon Ball Mafia - Paperwork Complete! Town + Survivor Victory!

[Wolfie557]

SO this is the problem i was talking about. At the end of the day. You lost your chance last day praline. Could have shot DJ or even Holder as you wish while we voted Coricus. I indirectly said you should kill coricus or if he is being voted out then one of the doctors.

But you didn't.

Now. Assuming you are mafia. You getting townies to save you, while killing the real doc (or not cos you can't) delays your death the same as before. Since you are going for Holder, you know that DJ is the fake mafia, so you are now bussing after the recent mention of that tactic.

If you are town, you are trying to kill 2 doctors...kill 1, vote the other. What the hell.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So if dj is being killed who gets lynched?

I literally just asked that question.

Holder is another suspicious one because double doc claim, but since praline is gonna take care of this by going for the other claim, we should go for someone else.

And White's commuter claim when he told something else to NSG is highly suspicious, if you ask me.

Now. Assuming you are mafia. You getting townies to save you, while killing the real doc (or not cos you can't) delays your death the same as before. Since you are going for Holder, you know that DJ is the fake mafia, so you are now bussing after the recent mention of that tactic.

If you are town, you are trying to kill 2 doctors...kill 1, vote the other. What the hell.

He went for DJ.

 

[Pokechu]

yeah this is an odd situation...

if DJ is townie and praline attacks him, and we vote Holder and he's mafia, then we lose praline, but also lynch Holder.

But if DJ is townie and praline attacks him, and we don't vote Holder, then we're letting the fake doctor live. Hmm

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

yeah this is an odd situation...

if DJ is townie and praline attacks him, and we vote Holder and he's mafia, then we lose praline, but also lynch Holder.

But if DJ is townie and praline attacks him, and we don't vote Holder, then we're letting the fake doctor live. Hmm

We could instantly lynch the fake doctor the next day.

The problem is that if Holder is townie and we vote for him, we lose both docs.

 

[Wolfie557]

So, since it's going to happen at the end of the day, what should we do of our votes towards DJ?

If praline dies because Buu was townie, our votes still kill him, so we'd lose two more townies.

thats true. but if dj is mafia, we kill a mafia, and lose a townie (praline)

If we don't lose a townie, we know praline is mafia. So idk whats going on now. I need to rethink.

Maybe voting praline gives us the least risk...not sure...

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

thats true. but if dj is mafia, we kill a mafia, and lose a townie (praline)

If we don't lose a townie, we know praline is mafia. So idk whats going on now. I need to rethink.

Maybe voting praline gives us the least risk...not sure...

Mafia getting a day kill is stupid though.

 

[Z25]

I literally just asked that question.

Holder is another suspicious one because double doc claim, but since praline is gonna take care of this by going for the other claim, we should go for someone else.

And White's commuter claim when he told something else to NSG is highly suspicious, if you ask me.


He went for DJ.

And? We posted that at the same time. And I trust swamps thoughts on dj Bri g the fake doctor. I say we lynch the liar like suggested. That being Wolfie557 . Unless we get a good reason not too.

 

[Wolfie557]

We could instantly lynch the fake doctor the next day.

The problem is that if Holder is townie and we vote for him, we lose both docs.

this is why I said praline lost her chance last day.

If praline is town someone will die. If she isn't then noone will die and we lose a doc.

So.

maybe. Vote Praline. She's probbaly lying, since Swamp is revealed. While the real doc will 100% live. But probabbly die tonight anyway.

Although, this would reveal who the fake doc is, if it hasn't already been clear enough.

Mafia getting a day kill is stupid though.

Could be lying. Its a fakeclaim afterall.

 

[Pokechu]

inb4 praline chose holder first, was right about holder being mafia, but white (a mafia) told her to target DJ to make her waste her kill and to give holder another day/night to live

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

this is why I said praline lost her chance last day.

If praline is town someone will die. If she isn't then noone will die and we lose a doc.

So.

maybe. Vote Praline. She's probbaly lying, since Swamp is revealed. While the real doc will 100% live. But probabbly die tonight anyway.

Although, this would reveal who the fake doc is, if it hasn't already been clear enough.

It really wouldn't have changed anything if she went for it the last day.

It would just mean we'd get our answer earlier. Nothing more.

Especially if she would've target one of the doc claims then anyway.

 

[Deleted member]

Who should we vote for? White has been on my suspicion list since Day 1.

For now though

Unvote: Praline

It would just mean we'd get our answer earlier. Nothing more.

You talk like getting answers early isn't a big deal. IT'S A HUGE ****ING DEAL.

 

[Wolfie557]

Vote: DJ.

There's only one way this can be wrong.

Praline can target me, if she wishes. Or noone. Maybe something will come up that will make her useful, i.e likely 2 mafia suspects later.

Since DJ is probs getting lynched, Holder or DJ should not be the targets. DJ would be pointless and not proving anything. Holder because then 100% chance of losing a doctor, instead of 50%.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Vote: DJ.

Since DJ is probs getting lynched, Holder or DJ should not be the targets.

Um... Something here makes no sense.

 

[Wolfie557]

It really wouldn't have changed anything if she went for it the last day.

It would just mean we'd get our answer earlier. Nothing more.

Especially if she would've target one of the doc claims then anyway.

nah. we'd know who the real doc is, AND know if praline is townie or not.

 

[Wolfie557]

Um... Something here makes no sense.

*targets of pralines kill. Sorry.

most votes are still on dj iirc.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You talk like getting answers early isn't a big deal. IT'S A HUGE ****ING DEAL.

It is. But I'm just saying that White just keeps hammering down that doing it on the last day phase would've changed everything.

All we get is an earlier answer, which could be very helpful, but ultimately, would not have changed anything outside of getting an answer earlier since praline's doing exactly that right now.

nah. we'd know who the real doc is, AND know if praline is townie or not.

Which we can also do right now.

*targets of pralines kill. Sorry.

most votes are still on dj iirc.

And now, so is praline's kill attempt.

EVERYONE VOTE FOR SOMEONE OTHER THAN DJ!

It's a DB mafia. Shouting is not only encouraged, but also necessary. ^-^

 

[Deleted member]

Leave DJ to get killed by Praline's supposed role. This way we risk the Desperado instead of the Doc.

Voting DJ just ensures that he dies no matter what and then the whole thing will be for naught.

Holder is on hold(ha!) for now, lynching him now could mean killing the Doc if Praline's kill succeeds.

It is. But I'm just saying that White just keeps hammering down that doing it on the last day phase would've changed everything.

All we get is an earlier answer, which could be very helpful, but ultimately, would not have changed anything outside of getting an answer earlier since praline's doing exactly that right now.

It would. We would have Praline as a confirmed Townie and we could have lynched one of the Doc claims yesterday while Swamp could have killed the fake one if we had mislynched.
The earlier infornation comes to us, the better. It makes a huge ****ing deal and it DOES change everything.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

It would. We would have Praline as a confirmed Townie and we could have lynched one of the Doc claims yesterday while Swamp could have killed the fake one if we had mislynched.
The earlier infornation comes to us, the better. It makes a huge ****ing deal and it DOES change everything.

Huh... Never thought of it like that.

No wonder I have the word stupid in my username :V

 

[Wolfie557]

It is. But I'm just saying that White just keeps hammering down that doing it on the last day phase would've changed everything.

All we get is an earlier answer, which could be very helpful, but ultimately, would not have changed anything outside of getting an answer earlier since praline's doing exactly that right now.


Which we can also do right now.


And now, so is praline's kill attempt.

would be more helpful earlier tho.
you can prove pralines role now if you wish, too.

Hence why I'm willing to be the target, so that

• Praline can prove her role WITHOUT sacrificing both doctors
• id rather have a doctor alive than a vigilante that can't be controlled by Oppo's redirect.

Im not willing for both dj and holder to die. Because:

• both docs will die.
• This is means 100% chance of the real one dying, instead of 50% chance. Thats not a risk-reward gamble, its a straight on death sentence for the entire town.

And not voting either of them is a bad choice because:

• Pralines role IS NOT PROVEN.
• This is a huge risk in itself, adding towards the Doc dying risk, whether for good or for bad. (since praline could die or she wont, either cos telling the truth or cos she is mafia)
• Meaning the fake doc can easily get away from dying, while praline can get away with not dying too due to not being lynched either.
• Swamp was actively trying to get rid of Praline when I refused to reveal the second vig. Perhaps why he died.

If I am wrong about DJ...

1. we would be wrong about DJ last day, not changing anything at all.
2. its not like I am the only one supicious about DJ.

Lets see who the mayor and others that catch up will vote for, then. I feel like theres at least one mafia active right now, weaving the cobweb.

 

[Wolfie557]

A slightly diff way to look at my reasonings are that:

If Praline attacks Holder, and is right/wrong, while we lynch DJ... or vica versa.

• Yes, we are guranteed to kill the mafia.
• But also guranteed to kill the doctor.
• With the 50/50 chance of killing Praline, meaning at least 1 person dying for sure, potentially 2.
  
• These 2 could be both town, 1 town or 1 mafia.
• Meaning 33% chance a mafia will die, instead of a 50% chance if we vote DJ or Holder.
• edit: Plus a chance none of these are mafia, because Praline is mafia and we are wrong about the doc choice /edit
• This is the worst possible idea, and obviously what the mafia wants.
  
• Remember mafia would try to save themselves and kill townies in this situation, since a death can't be evaded.

If you lynch me and kill either DJ or holder

• ....remember how I said Pralines role is not proven. You cannot fully trust praline .
• Y'all are acting as if it can be proven without a risk while trying to do the most risky set of events outlined above.
• edit - the chance of killing the wrong doctor is the same as when through lynching anyway, putting praline at risk /edit

This is why I am voting DJ.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If you lynch me and kill either DJ or holder

• ....remember how I said Pralines role is not proven. You cannot fully trust praline .
• Y'all are acting as if it can be proven without a risk while trying to do the most risky set of events outlined above.
• edit - the chance of killing the wrong doctor is the same as when through lynching anyway, putting praline at risk /edit

WE SAID NO EDITS, YOU SNEAKY SNEAKER!

And besides, how can we trust someone who lies about their role?

Because again, if you had told NSG you had commuter stuff, he wouldn't have been shocked about I told him you claimed commuter to someone else, that same someone having told me. On top of the other commuter claim telling both NSG and me that they were commuter.

On top of that, you keep saying "wait until next night", even in night PMs, if my talk to the one who told me you claimed commuter is anything to go by, which is really suspicious. Why not now? Why not as early as possible so we can earn your trust?

And you told me to check commuter variations. Why would there be more than one commuter, with one of them clearly having more than just commuter since you told NSG something else?

That's why I'm voting for your ass, White.

 

[Wolfie557]

I did ask pokechu to target me to hopefully prove myself to someone. Doubt he did. And maybe I split my trust between Oppo and NSG.

You can vote for me uni, but while doing so you are ignoring everything else i just said, and choosing something that is banking on Praline being correct, and even then, the risk of her choosing the mafia between the 2 docs is the same as lynching them.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I did ask pokechu to target me to hopefully prove myself to someone. Doubt he did. And maybe I split my trust between Oppo and NSG.

You can vote for me uni, but while doing so you are ignoring everything else i just said, and choosing something that is banking on Praline being correct, and even then, the risk of her choosing the mafia between the 2 docs is the same as lynching them.

The fact that you didn't tell everything to NSG, if you're right, really makes you hard to trust.

 

[Deleted member]

Vote: WhiteEaglePL

I'm not going to allow the certainty of the DJ dying, becayse if he's the Doc than both Praline and him will die in vain. If Praline or DJ doesn't die by the end of the Day, that'll be an issue we can resolve tomorrow. For now, we need to focus on getti g the fake Doc killed while letting the real one live.

 

[Z25]

May change this but, Unvote: AmericanDJ, Vote: WhiteeaglePL. Sorry but it’s hard to trust you with the evidence provided and your lying about your role claim which someone else has. So as the rules go, lynch all liars.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Are we just ignoring the fact that praline claimed JIREN? He isn't evil but he is the antagonist of the current arc. Coupled with the fact that she kills just like Vegeta, who we now know is legit and town, the odds of her being mafia are high.

Also praline, as a Dragon Ball Z fan, it should be no question of who you would target between Dende and Majin Buu. Only one has been a villain.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

God dammit White.

 

[Z25]

Vote: WhiteEaglePL

I'm not going to allow the certainty of the DJ dying, becayse if he's the Doc than both Praline and him will die in vain. If Praline or DJ doesn't die by the end of the Day, that'll be an issue we can resolve tomorrow. For now, we need to focus on getti g the fake Doc killed while letting the real one live.

Just checking to make sure it counts, but did you unvote? I don’t remember if you voted but I just wanted to ask so the vote counts.

 

[Z25]

Are we just ignoring the fact that praline claimed JIREN? He isn't evil but he is the antagonist of the current arc. Coupled with the fact that she kills just like Vegeta, who we now know is legit and town, the odds of her being mafia are high.

Also praline, as a Dragon Ball Z fan, it should be no question of who you would target between Dende and Majin Buu. Only one has been a villain.

Is he? I read in the wiki that he fights for justice and all that making him sound good.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Among Shish, Unikorn, and Z25 there is at least one mafia I think. This sudden wagon against White as opposed to deciding between the two doctors is suspicious as hell.

Is he? I read in the wiki that he fights for justice and all that making him sound good.

Goku is fighting him right now in the show, he's the last one for him to beat to save their universe.

 

[praline]

Are we just ignoring the fact that praline claimed JIREN? He isn't evil but he is the antagonist of the current arc. Coupled with the fact that she kills just like Vegeta, who we now know is legit and town, the odds of her being mafia are high.

Also praline, as a Dragon Ball Z fan, it should be no question of who you would target between Dende and Majin Buu. Only one has been a villain.

Jiren isn’t a bad guy though he’s only doing what he’s doing to protect his own universe from erasure.

Majin Buu is as much a villain now as Vegeta is though.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

He isn't evil but he is the antagonist of the current arc.

Antagonist doesn't necessarily mean "villain"

 

[Z25]

Among Shish, Unikorn, and Z25 there is at least one mafia I think. This sudden wagon against White as opposed to deciding between the two doctors is suspicious as hell.



Goku is fighting him right now in the show, he's the last one for him to beat to save their universe.

hm well from what was said here he isn’t evil and just forced into a bad situation. I could still see that being town but mafia is certainly something to consider. And I’m only going for white now because I was going to go after him tomorrow based on the lying and what I’ve learned from talking to certain people and gathering their opinions and Figuring stuff out.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Antagonist doesn't necessarily mean "villain"

That's why I said he isn't evil, stoopid.

What's your point? Is Dende a villain then?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I hate White too, do not get my wrong, but I know lynching DJ is the logical thing to do.

If DJ ends up being town, then you guys can kill both White and me.

 

[Wolfie557]

God dammit White.

woops.

 

[Wolfie557]

I hate White too, do not get my wrong, but I know lynching DJ is the logical thing to do.

If DJ ends up being town, then you guys can kill both White and me.

hell id kill myself.

edit: im hated :o

 

[praline]

hell id kill myself.

edit: im hated :o

Stop editing posts dude.

 

[Z25]

I hate White too, do not get my wrong, but I know lynching DJ is the logical thing to do.

If DJ ends up being town, then you guys can kill both White and me.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

edit: im hated :o

Stop editing lol

That's why I said he isn't evil, stoopid.

I can't ****ing read lol

I hate White too, do not get my wrong, but I know lynching DJ is the logical thing to do.

Praline is already targeting him though.

If he turns out to be the real doc and everyone voted him, praline's death meant nothing and we'd lose our doc.

Sure, we'd know the other doc (you) would be scum in this hypotetical situation, be we would have lost 5 townies by then, and only 2 mafiosos.