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[Wolfie557]

It's not that suspicious, considering how they're two entirely different types of vigilantes and your own game had three protective roles.

I honestly didn't see your other questions ngl


I have my ways

Not sure what you mean by "anything" here.

well , who did you target. could be very useful info.
specifically if it involves the 2 deaths in any way.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I'm inclined to put back my vote to White, because the fact that you claimed commuter when both me and the mayor know another commuter claim is extremely shady.

Unvote: AmericanDJ
Vote: WhiteEaglePL

LYNCH ALL LIARS!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Because mayor knows im not just a commuter, and i told pokechu this first night. So its hard to know whos lying.

Still, DJ looks like he is getting lynched.

I'm gonna need more than "not just a commuter"

Because if you had some commuter stuff and told him about it, the mayor wouldn't have been so susprised when I told him you claimed that.

 

[Wolfie557]

I'm inclined to put back my vote to White, because the fact that you claimed commuter when both me and the mayor know another commuter claim is extremely shady.

Unvote: AmericanDJ
Vote: WhiteEaglePL

LYNCH ALL LIARS!

2 commuter/ish 2 vigs/ish. One of which is more likely scum. 2 docs. One of which is defo scum.
Who do we pick.

 

[Wolfie557]

I'm gonna need more than "not just a commuter"

Because if you had some commuter stuff and told him about it, the mayor wouldn't have been so susprised when I told him you claimed that.

Well I claimed the basic bit to Oppo, all to NSG...soo... im Safe XD Maybe you should look up commuter variations.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Well I claimed the basic bit to Oppo...soo... im Safe XD Maybe you should look up commuter variations.

Is that true, @Opossum ?

 

[praline]

Well I claimed the basic bit to Oppo, all to NSG...soo... im Safe XD Maybe you should look up commuter variations.

Well if you said more about your role or maybe your character at least he might get off your back?

 

[Deleted member]

I’m a desperado. If I attack a townie I’d die.

If you're a Desperado, make yourself useful and shoot AmericanDJ right now.
If he dies, we save ourselves the trouble of waiting the whole Day. If you die, we confirm he's Town and that Holder is the one lying.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If you're a Desperado, make yourself useful and shoot AmericanDJ right now.
If he dies, we save ourselves the trouble of waiting the whole Day. If you die, we confirm he's Town and that Holder is the one lying.

Yeah, but if he's the townie, we also lose praline.

Two townies for a single mafioso, combined with the other two townies that died last night, really isn't good.

We should only take that chance on a confirmed mafioso so that way, both parties lose someone.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, but if he's the townie, we also lose praline.

Two townies for a single mafioso, combined with the other two townies that died last night, really isn't good.

We should only take that chance on a confirmed mafioso so that way, both parties lose someone.

Read the Desperado role on the Wiki. The kill only goes through if the target is scum. If DJ is indeed Mafia, he dies, Praline lives, confirms her role and Holder's.
If DJ is Town, she dies but we now can prevent DJ's lynching and instead go for Holder.

No matter the result, we get confirmed Townies and Scum, the worst case scenario being just one more dead Townie.

 

[Pokechu]

If you're a Desperado, make yourself useful and shoot AmericanDJ right now.
If he dies, we save ourselves the trouble of waiting the whole Day. If you die, we confirm he's Town and that Holder is the one lying.

That's not very fair... you're basically telling praline to put her own life at risk... it's a 50/50 chance that we lose praline.

 

[praline]

Yeah I’m with Unikorn on this. Plus you could be mafia and want me to choose one knowing they’re both townies so I die.

Also am I the only one surprised that nobody has claimed Goku or Gohan yet?

 

[Pokechu]

And honestly Shishoe I think you should be the last one trying to prove someone's role and risking getting them killed when you've only told your role to Opossum and NSG.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Read the Desperado role on the Wiki. The kill only goes through if the target is scum. If DJ is indeed Mafia, he dies, Praline lives, confirms her role and Holder's.
If DJ is Town, she dies but we now can prevent DJ's lynching and instead go for Holder.

No matter the result, we get confirmed Townies and Scum, the worst case scenario being just one more dead Townie.

Read it.

But with two townies lost already, I don't think we can afford another dead townie just because.

It's a really tricky role where praline has to be absolutely sure the target is mafia. Or else, we just lost someone for no reason. Yes, it gives us a confirmed scum, but what then? We'd still have one less townie, wouldn't we? That's bad no matter how you look at it.

Also am I the only one surprised that nobody has claimed Goku or Gohan yet?

You're not alone lol

 

[Deleted member]

That's not very fair... you're basically telling praline to put her own life at risk... it's a 50/50 chance that we lose praline.

This is a team game, if Town wins, so will she. Her doing this confirms our Doctor and has a 50% chance of her coming out as a confirmed Townie.
Desperado is a role that by nature is gonna put their own life at risk and now she has the best odds at getting to live with it.

Yeah I’m with Unikorn on this. Plus you could be mafia and want me to choose one knowing they’re both townies so I die.

Also am I the only one surprised that nobody has claimed Goku or Gohan yet?

You do realise they both claimed Doctor, right? Not backup, jailkeeper or whatever, straight up Doctor. There's literally no possibility they're both Town.

And honestly Shishoe I think you should be the last one trying to prove someone's role and risking getting them killed when you've only told your role to Opossum and NSG.

I'm sorry for only trusting those that can actually be trusted.

Read it.

But with two townies lost already, I don't think we can afford another dead townie just because.

It's a really tricky role where praline has to be absolutely sure the target is mafia. Or else, we just lost someone for no reason. Yes, it gives us a confirmed scum, but what then? We'd still have one less townie, wouldn't we? That's bad no matter how you look at it.


You're not alone lol

If she proves her role, we end up with two dead Mafiosos and 2 or 3 dead Townies. It's no worse than Day 3 in other games we played, it would actually be much better because Mafia team is likely 4 so they'd be down to half of their team.

 

[Z25]

Well if praline kills dj and he’s not mafia we know the other doctor had to go. At this point a risk may be a good thing as we can very easily lose if not careful. We only got corcius cause she dressed up by mistake.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You do realise they both claimed Doctor, right? Not backup, jailkeeper or whatever, straight up Doctor. There's literally no possibility they're both Town.

We know that, but it's still a 50/50 chance of losing a townie.

On top of that, this also puts the other doctor at risk, forcing whatever protective role left to just go for them all the time.

This is the kind of shenanigan that can make or break a game.

Well if praline kills dj and he’s not mafia we know the other doctor had to go. At this point a risk may be a good thing as we can very easily lose if not careful. We only got corcius cause she dressed up by mistake.

Also this.

 

[Wolfie557]

Lets look at it another way, why I think the other 2 double claims are more suspicous.

First, mafia knew who both docs were, and obviously they know which is the real one.
So why did the real doc not die when he wasn't even protected by the bodyguard? Swamp.

They knew Swamp was the real vig, so the other vig is most likley scum. Mafia generally should target any killing roles first, then informative ones that take away one of their best advantages, then lastly any protective or other misc ones, like the Doc or Bodyguard that prevent mafia from killing and probbably why noone died the first night.

So why did shiny die? Maybe they thought shiny was going to protect the doc, or maybe even Swamp.

SO the mafia used one kill on Shiny, incase he was protecting the town vig, and another on Swamp. But its possible Mafia knew Shiny was protecting Oppo, and also possible Mafia wanted to get rid of the redirector, unless they thought its a lie.

And I doubt Swamp would not tell anyone, not even NSG if he was killing someone. So if he wasn't, he definitely was not redirected onto himself, and Oppo is proven townie once again, if once wasn't enough.

Well if you said more about your role or maybe your character at least he might get off your back?

I'm willing to do that at night, yes. Now theres other issues to press on, imho.

If you're a Desperado, make yourself useful and shoot AmericanDJ right now.
If he dies, we save ourselves the trouble of waiting the whole Day. If you die, we confirm he's Town and that Holder is the one lying.

Exactly why I wanted Coricus to die LAST DAY. While we could have voted off DJ last day too.
The risk wasn't even that big. If we lost the doc, we still had a bodyguard if we were wrong. So yes maybe we would have lost swamp & bodygaurd today anyway but still. That would allow us to lynch Holder today, leaving 1 or 2 mafia left.

Hence why the more Praline delays her killing, the more suspicous she gets. And there will be no more delays after this day. No more. Had plenty of time. Especially when both Coricus and DJ turn out Mafia....

...why else would praline not do it other than the fact that they are mafia and do not have this ability to begin with, so they can't bus on coricus who basically just quit or even DJ, assuming hes mafia too.

 

[Wolfie557]

We know that, but it's still a 50/50 chance of losing a townie.

On top of that, this also puts the other doctor at risk, forcing whatever protective role left to just go for them all the time.

This is the kind of shenanigan that can make or break a game.


Also this.

Basically this risk i was talking about just now before i read what Z25 wrote.

 

[Pokechu]

This is a team game, if Town wins, so will she. Her doing this confirms our Doctor and has a 50% chance of her coming out as a confirmed Townie.
Desperado is a role that by nature is gonna put their own life at risk and now she has the best odds at getting to live with it.

Never said it wasn't a team game, but regardless of if praline desperados or not, we still (edit: might)* lose a townie. The result won't be different. She doesn't even have to desperado now, in fact doing so will only put her at danger. We could lynch one of Holder/DJ, and if they're townie then Praline goes for the other one the next day phase. There's no reason why she has to desperado now.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Never said it wasn't a team game, but regardless of if praline desperados or not, we still (edit: might)* lose a townie. The result won't be different. She doesn't even have to desperado now, in fact doing so will only put her at danger. We could lynch one of Holder/DJ, and if they're townie then Praline goes for the other one the next day phase. There's no reason why she has to desperado now.

I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS POST

You're giving us way too much risk we there's a safe way to do this entire thing, Shoe.

Even if praline is killed tonight, if one of the two is lynched, we know the fake doc. We can take them down the next day or even have praline desperado the **** out of them then.

There is NO point in putting her life at risk now.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Assuming praline is still alive for the whole "desperado tomorrow" thing, of course.

But either way, the safest way to do this is lynch one of the doc claims right now.

 

[Deleted member]

We know that, but it's still a 50/50 chance of losing a townie.

On top of that, this also puts the other doctor at risk, forcing whatever protective role left to just go for them all the time.

This is the kind of shenanigan that can make or break a game.


Also this.

This won't put the Doctor at risk, did you even read what I posted? No matter who Praline targets, the Doc is safe. If we go through DJ's lynching, then there's a 50/50 chance of us mislynching and losing the Doc.
And if we are going through his lynching without being sure, then we shouldn't be voting him to begin with.

Never said it wasn't a team game, but regardless of if praline desperados or not, we still (edit: might)* lose a townie. The result won't be different. She doesn't even have to desperado now, in fact doing so will only put her at danger. We could lynch one of Holder/DJ, and if they're townie then Praline goes for the other one the next day phase. There's no reason why she has to desperado now.

That'd be assuming Praline survives the Night.
Assume we myslinch, a Mafioso survives for another Night, they kill Praline and we have to waste yet another Day doing nothing but lynching who we already knew was Mafia.
If Praline uses her role today, no matter what we get one dead Mafioso witha 50% chance of paying that price with a Townie. On the flip side, it's a 50% chance of use getting a confirmed Townie.

But either way, the safest way to do this is lynch one of the doc claims right now.

You guys are unbelievable. This is early game still, this is when we should be taking risks. Postponing lynches only hurts the Town.


Unvote: AmericanDJ
Vote: Praline

I'm gonna stand by my plan, it's the best way for us to deal with the Doc claims because I'd rather put the Desperado's life at stake then the Doc's.

 

[Wolfie557]

Theres really no advantage in Praline not doing it for the town. It gives us information. This is crucial.
Even if she just wants to survive...its not going to happen. For she will be lynched next, so there's really no point delaying the death like this and seems suspicious or at least pretty selfish.

I can only see one problem with Praline killing DJ while we all vote DJ anyway, but this means she lost her chance to prove herself the last day, despite me urging her on in a few posts to kill someone.The problem is when the kill happens. But Praline must know, and if she doesn't she can ask Zeb. So there is no excuse.

 

[Wolfie557]

Assuming praline is still alive for the whole "desperado tomorrow" thing, of course.

But either way, the safest way to do this is lynch one of the doc claims right now.

Thing is, if she is mafia, the real doc will die. Not her. Even if DJ is the fake doc, the real doc has no protection from a say a bodyguard.

 

[Wolfie557]

Yeah, but if he's the townie, we also lose praline.

Two townies for a single mafioso, combined with the other two townies that died last night, really isn't good.

We should only take that chance on a confirmed mafioso so that way, both parties lose someone.

I mean, we can't force praline to do it. She gets the final say.
We are just saying what happens if she doesn't.

The risk is here, but, it could have happened earlier. 2 deaths last night is simply not that bad, considering there were 0 deaths night b4. Although we did lose a townie from a host kill. -.-

 

[praline]

Well ok I’ll attack one if it’ll get you off my back.

 

[Pokechu]

Yeah this is a team game or whatever but if it was such a team game, why haven't you all revealed your roles to everyone?? I mean, we're a team, we'd be miles ahead of where we currently are if we knew everyone's roles. Why only tell them to Opo and NSG? If we get everyone's roleclaim then that's information, and that's crucial! /s

honestly i think expecting someone to make a 50% hit or miss, with them being booted out of the game if they miss, is pretty dumb

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Well ok I’ll attack one if it’ll get you off my back.

Which one are you going for? Dende or Buu?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Forgot who claimed which

 

[praline]

Which one are you going for? Dende or Buu?

Dende if anything cause I want it to be Holder so I can get back at him for the FEH mafia. lol

 

[Wolfie557]

Well ok I’ll attack one if it’ll get you off my back.

who? when do we know the resulst of the kill?

 

[praline]

Forgot who claimed which

DJ was Buu, Holder was Dende.

 

[praline]

who? when do we know the resulst of the kill?

At the end of the day.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

who? when do we know the resulst of the kill?

Whenever red or Zeb posts something about it, I guess

 

[Wolfie557]

Dende if anything cause I want it to be Holder so I can get back at him for the FEH mafia. lol

no. go buu.
u going dende for something that happened in another game makes u suspicious anyway. Other games can't affect this game.

Buu is clearly the villain character

Your asking yourself to be lynched before you can prove yourself.

 

[praline]

no. go buu.
u going dende for something that happened in another game makes u suspicious anyway. Other games can't affect this game.

Buu is clearly the villain character

Your asking yourself to be lynched before you can prove yourself.

Well ok I’ll go with Buu. I guess that’s fair, the past is the past anyways.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So, since it's going to happen at the end of the day, what should we do of our votes towards DJ?

If praline dies because Buu was townie, our votes still kill him, so we'd lose two more townies.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah this is a team game or whatever but if it was such a team game, why haven't you all revealed your roles to everyone?? I mean, we're a team, we'd be miles ahead of where we currently are if we knew everyone's roles. Why only tell them to Opo and NSG? If we get everyone's roleclaim then that's information, and that's crucial! /s

honestly i think expecting someone to make a 50% hit or miss, with them being booted out of the game if they miss, is pretty dumb

Because I don't know who is on my team. I can't just go around claiming to everyone.

 

[Z25]

So if dj is being killed who gets lynched?