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[Wolfie557]

Nah I’m attacking DJ.

See.

going for the one player of all the possible choices that will NOT prove you, trying to fool town that it does prove your role.

It doesn't fool me. -.-

 

[Pokechu]

See.

going for the one player of all the possible choices that will NOT prove you, trying to fool town that it does prove your role.

It doesn't fool me. -.-

how would it not prove her? if we lynch holder/whoever and praline desperades DJ, and DJ dies and praline lives, or DJ lives and praline dies then her role is proven....

 

[Wolfie557]

Um... No vore, please.


But targeting the docs is the best option right now because we know one of them is scum.

............

no point me wasting my time if you won't listen.

 

[praline]

See.

going for the one player of all the possible choices that will NOT prove you, trying to fool town that it does prove your role.

It doesn't fool me. -.-

All choices? There’s only 2: DJ and Holder. Choosing either proves my role at the end of the phase.

 

[Pokechu]

even then who else would there be to target???? at least choosing between dj and holder gives praline a 50% chance to choose right, unless you have any better ideas with better odds you shouldn't hold this against her

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Bah.

Then who else do we lynch?

I have a private reason for White to not go right now.

Oh great, more secrecy.

See.

going for the one player of all the possible choices that will NOT prove you, trying to fool town that it does prove your role.

It doesn't fool me. -.-

How will it NOT prove praline?

Just read this post!

No matter what happens by the end of the day, we get a confirmed scum.
1-Praline is telling the truth, DJ is Mafia: one(1) scum dies, Holder is confirmed as real Doc and Praline is confirmed as Town Desperado.
2-Praline is telling the truth, DJ is Town: Doc lives and gets their role confirmed, Praline as Town Desperado dies, Holder is confirmed as scum.
3-Praline is lying, no one dies: Praline is confirmed scum but the Doc's identity is still into questioning.

No matter what happens, we have a confirmed scum.

How does that not prove anything, White?

 

[Wolfie557]

how would it not prove her? if we lynch holder/whoever and praline desperades DJ, and DJ dies and praline lives, or DJ lives and praline dies then her role is proven....

oh if we lynch someone else instead.

but thats risky. BECAUSE SHES NOT PROVEN. if neither doc is being lynched and town loses, this is the day where they have lost.

Most ways she can be proven, but killing the same person who is being is lynched is the one way she MIGHT not be proven, because if doc getting lynched is town, she dies and proves her role. But if doc getting lynched is mafia, she does not die and does NOT prove her role, because we can't be sure if she did the kill.

If we lynch a doc and kill the other, its possible we lose a doc for certain.
If we lynch one doc and kill anyone else or nobody (but again nobody doesn't prove pralines role), its possible we don't lose a doc.

I don't know how to be clearer.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Here's the problem:

If praline is mafia, AND Dj is mafia...

Then praline can kill DJ, DJ will be revealed as mafia, praline still lives, and she can say she "proved" herself as Desperado.

It might be a plan to try and salvage some sort of gain from DJ's downfall and get someone else lynched, like White, who in this scenario isn't mafia.

 

[Wolfie557]

even then who else would there be to target???? at least choosing between dj and holder gives praline a 50% chance to choose right, unless you have any better ideas with better odds you shouldn't hold this against her

yh thats the problem i regret.

could have just do the doc thing now, and leave praline for later. But I thought she might be scum. ;/

 

[Wolfie557]

Here's the problem:

If praline is mafia, AND Dj is mafia...

Then praline can kill DJ, DJ will be revealed as mafia, praline still lives, and she can say she "proved" herself as Desperado.

It might be a plan to try and salvage some sort of gain from DJ's downfall and get someone else lynched, like White, who in this scenario isn't mafia.

Thank You!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

oh if we lynch someone else instead.

but thats risky. BECAUSE SHES NOT PROVEN. if neither doc is being lynched and town loses, this is the day where they have lost.

Most ways she can be proven, but killing the same person who is being is lynched is the one way she MIGHT not be proven, because if doc getting lynched is town, she dies and proves her role. But if doc getting lynched is mafia, she does not die and does NOT prove her role, because we can't be sure if she did the kill.

If we lynch a doc and kill the other, its possible we lose a doc for certain.
If we lynch one doc and kill anyone else or nobody (but again nobody doesn't prove pralines role), its possible we don't lose a doc.

I don't know how to be clearer.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE DOESN'T VOTE FOR DJ!

SO WE CAN PROVE HER ROLE!

 

[Wolfie557]

if y'all don't wanna listen to me, for good reasons.

Listen to Holder. He is probbaly the most experienced player left right now, hence why he knows which is objectively the best way to go, for now.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Just because praline might be able to kill doesn't mean she is Desperado, and it doesn't mean she isn't mafia.

 

[Wolfie557]

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE DOESN'T VOTE FOR DJ!

SO WE CAN PROVE HER ROLE!

If I had Swamp's role, I'd kill u for this.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If I had Swamp's role, I'd kill u for this.

And I'd be ****ing glad to die if I turned out to be right

 

[praline]

Here's the problem:

If praline is mafia, AND Dj is mafia...

Then praline can kill DJ, DJ will be revealed as mafia, praline still lives, and she can say she "proved" herself as Desperado.

It might be a plan to try and salvage some sort of gain from DJ's downfall and get someone else lynched, like White, who in this scenario isn't mafia.

I don’t think a mafia ever had the ability to kill during the day., atleast no game I remember.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

oh if we lynch someone else instead.

but thats risky. BECAUSE SHES NOT PROVEN. if neither doc is being lynched and town loses, this is the day where they have lost.

Most ways she can be proven, but killing the same person who is being is lynched is the one way she MIGHT not be proven, because if doc getting lynched is town, she dies and proves her role. But if doc getting lynched is mafia, she does not die and does NOT prove her role, because we can't be sure if she did the kill.

If we lynch a doc and kill the other, its possible we lose a doc for certain.
If we lynch one doc and kill anyone else or nobody (but again nobody doesn't prove pralines role), its possible we don't lose a doc.

I don't know how to be clearer.

Even if we lose the Doc we have a ****in ace in the hole White! That's the ****in point. If Praline attacks the townie doctor she dies, not the townie doctor. Which will prove the doctors roll for certain. Which means we wouldn't have to use our ace on the doctor because we'd know which one is the fake doctor! And praline would either kill a Mafia or kill herself. So whoever she chooses, looks like DJ, and she picks the right one, that Mafia is dead! If she dies then we know she attacked the Townie doctor which would mean that Holder is the Mafia. The point is, now that the Mafia knows who the hell our Desperado is there's no ****ing hope in nailing down a Mafia unless she chooses one of the doctors.

 

[Wolfie557]

All choices? There’s only 2: DJ and Holder. Choosing either proves my role at the end of the phase.

The one not being lynched.

But ideally, not even Holder. The choices are anyone but holder or DJ.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I don’t think a mafia ever had the ability to kill during the day., atleast no game I remember.

Reinhardt could kill instantly.

 

[Wolfie557]

Even if we lose the Doc we have a ****in ace in the hole White! That's the ****in point. If Praline attacks the townie doctor she dies, not the townie doctor. Which will prove the doctors roll for certain. Which means we wouldn't have to use our ace on the doctor because we'd know which one is the fake doctor! And praline would either kill a Mafia or kill herself. So whoever she chooses, looks like DJ, and she picks the right one, that Mafia is dead! If she dies then we know she attacked the Townie doctor which would mean that Holder is the Mafia. The point is, now that the Mafia knows who the hell our Desperado is there's no ****ing hope in nailing down a Mafia unless she chooses one of the doctors.

if this is the ace y'all were talking about it last day I wish I known.

can we just agree to lynch some doc, at least.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Reinhardt could kill instantly.

I think people may have learned that this kind of role is broken.

Because if we just use stuff from previous games, we'd have **** like three doctors and a gunsmith that has no ****ing purpose.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Why are you all assuming praline is a desperado???

Even if she can kill that doesn't mean she is desperado.

The only way for her to prove she is desperado is for her to attack an innocent and die in the process.

Her killing mafia only proves that she can KILL.

 

[Wolfie557]

Oh great, more secrecy.


How will it NOT prove praline?

Just read this post!


No matter what happens, we have a confirmed scum.

How does that not prove anything, White?

Because Shish is wrong in Point 1.
Me and holder are right. Point 1 does not prove she is a desperado.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

if this is the ace y'all were talking about it last day I wish I known.

can we just agree to lynch some doc, at least.

We are making praline target the doc because you pressured her to reveal she's a Desperado.

She targets one of the docs because that's the best option she can take since it gives her a 50/50 chance of getting a scum, which are the best odds she can take.

You actively try to make her go for someone other than the doc claims, which is stupid because again, that's the safest option she can take, and then you want us to lynch one of the doc claims after praline has made it clear she won't got for anything but the doc claims.

Everything you're doing is ****ing shady and could be dangerous for the town.

And that's not even bringing up the lies.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

No one is trying to address my point. Curious...

 

[Pokechu]

Why are you all assuming praline is a desperado???

Even if she can kill that doesn't mean she is desperado.

The only way for her to prove she is desperado is for her to attack an innocent and die in the process.

Her killing mafia only proves that she can KILL.

well if she isn't desperado but she can kill, it might be obvious. Like if she's desperado and her kill happens at the end of the day then it'll probably be a part of the lynch results post; but if she has an ability like Reinhardt's Dire Thunder then it'd probably be its own post with its own flavor text.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Why are you all assuming praline is a desperado???

Even if she can kill that doesn't mean she is desperado.

The only way for her to prove she is desperado is for her to attack an innocent and die in the process.

Her killing mafia only proves that she can KILL.

Why would a mafioso be able to kill at daytime? That's just bonkers.

Yes, Reinhardt happened, but that doesn't mean it'll happen again.

Because if you wanna use previous games as examples, we might as well just assume both docs are townies because White's game had three ****ing doctors.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm gonna eat a shoe if I ever see a Mafia with a Day kill.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I don’t think a mafia ever had the ability to kill during the day., atleast no game I remember.

In the FEH Mafia game I could, I was Reinhardt, but it was very specifically could be used at any time on anyone, and not be blocked by anything. They died immediately though. Does yours kill immediately.

if this is the ace y'all were talking about it last day I wish I known.

can we just agree to lynch some doc, at least.

The thing about Mafia is that the plan has to be know by the very few otherwise the Mafia could know the plan and ruin it. That's why you weren't informed of the plan. We didn't know who we could trust so the plan was to get rid of one of the docs that way we had a chance of getting a Mafia. Then we could crack down on the other few. That plan failed. So now we have to figure out a new plan.

I want to trust you White but right now you need to explain why you gave me and Pokechu two seperate claims AND told Swamp that he already knew your role because DJ told you that Swamp told DJ your role despite the fact that Swamp never even communicated with DJ. You wouldn't give him your role and it seems to me like you could have just been stalling. So why in God's name did you give two separate claims, stall, and was in contact with who we are most confident is Mafia?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Why would a mafioso be able to kill at daytime? That's just bonkers.

Yes, Reinhardt happened, but that doesn't mean it'll happen again.

Because if you wanna use previous games as examples, we might as well just assume both docs are townies because White's game had three ****ing doctors.

You're not even providing a reason that she can't be a mafiaso with a day kill power, you're just saying that it's bonkers. We've seen worse before, it's a possibility. That's all.

And since it is a possibility there is no point in having her kill DJ because it doesn't prove her innocence.

 

[Wolfie557]

We are making praline target the doc because you pressured her to reveal she's a Desperado.

She targets one of the docs because that's the best option she can take since it gives her a 50/50 chance of getting a scum, which are the best odds she can take.

You actively try to make her go for someone other than the doc claims, which is stupid because again, that's the safest option she can take, and then you want us to lynch one of the doc claims after praline has made it clear she won't got for anything but the doc claims.

Everything you're doing is ****ing shady and could be dangerous for the town.

And that's not even bringing up the lies.

Okay, lets look at it a different way, again.
Would you rather have a desperado potentially die who will probs die tonight if town and survives this day, or potentially get the real doc a 100% chance of dying?

And just realised both might die tonight if they survive. Because real doc could protect desperado lmao. hmm.

In the end, the most logical thing to do THIS DAY is the same.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Why don't we just have praline checked by the Cop toNight and lynch DJ?


What is so bad with this idea? It's the only way to know for a fact that praline is on our side.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

KingofPhantoms

Did you use your role last night?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You're not even providing a reason that she can't be a mafiaso with a day kill power, you're just saying that it's bonkers. We've seen worse before, it's a possibility. That's all.

Not denying that. Could very well be possible. If DJ is townie and dies because praline, she's scum for sure.

But that would also prove something, wouldn't it?

Okay, lets look at it a different way, again.
Would you rather have a desperado potentially die who will probs die tonight if town and survives this day, or potentially get the real doc a 100% chance of dying?

And just realised both might die tonight if they survive. Because real doc could protect desperado lmao. hmm.

In the end, the most logical thing to do THIS DAY is the same.

How is "not aiming for what we're most likely about being scum" the most logical thing?

If anything, that's just a really stupid thing to do. And I know stupid, if last game is anything to go by.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Why don't we just have praline checked by the Cop toNight and lynch DJ?


What is so bad with this idea? It's the only way to know for a fact that praline is on our side.

Because the cop has been acting extra suspicious for one.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Why don't we just have praline checked by the Cop toNight and lynch DJ?


What is so bad with this idea? It's the only way to know for a fact that praline is on our side.

No it's not.

Swamp was vig and his text said he'd come off as suspicious.

Who's to say Desperado won't get the same thing?

 

[Holder of the Heel]

God dammit NSG.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I'm kind of confused at the moment but maybe that's just because I've had so much to catch up and keep up with....

KingofPhantoms

Did you use your role last night?

I did not.

Speaking of that, I want to talk with you again tonight. If there's anything I can do to help, I want to be able to.

 

[praline]

Reinhardt could kill instantly.

Well I think we figured out how broken that was and aren’t using it again.

Also I forgot about that.

 

[Pokechu]

Why don't we just have praline checked by the Cop toNight and lynch DJ?


What is so bad with this idea? It's the only way to know for a fact that praline is on our side.

that's pretty fair

praline doesn't have to risk her life, we still would know who the fake doctor is....

even if praline comes up suspicious on checks then we have a target for her to kill if DJ turns out to be townie (sorry Holder).