Social Dr. Mario Social Thread - Witches? Dragons?...I've seen worse walk into my office.

[TheBlueSpirit]

None, but it matters a bit more in the Peach matchup than a mathup where you get outranged.

I know what you mean

 

[WeirdJoe27]

Just a random thought that's been bothering me since Melee.....

Why the hell isn't this Dr. Mario's victory theme???

 

[Underhill]

In this matchup, i usually do a lot of bair spacing as its very safe vs a floating Peach.
Also, Tornado catches Floating Peach as well, and it wins some trade with some of her moves.
Play very patiently, Peach's main combo starters are kind of telegraphed.
Like most charas, don't let her take you too far offstage, even through Tornado can win vs Bair edgeguard, it's still quite a guarranted gimp as Peach.

Well, if I find another Peach player, then I'll make use off his SH dropkick and Tornado to stop her floating.

What do you think of the MU when Doc faces Pikachu with Customs? I haven't face any good Pikachu players on Smash ladder yet, but I'm hoping to face one to experience the MU.

 

[Coolwhip]

Who on god's green earth design Smash Ladder's website?! It needs a lot of work. Can't really see what I'm doing.

 

[2ManyCooks]

Hello Dr. friends! I am 2ManyCooks, a high level Dr. Mario main who recently attended Evo and did well! I am a top player in my region, (AB, Canada) and I'd love to know what other Doc's represented at Evo this year.

Here were some of my accomplishments:

Got 2nd seed in my pool, 2-0ing and eliminating Florida's GDX

Eliminated Vegas' BTB in quarter final pools.

Lost very narrowly to Chibo's Mii Gunner and ROB, taking 97th out of nearly 2,000 entrants.

Took games from Rain and Abadango in friendlies.

Convincingly beat TearBear in the two friendlies we played.

The Dr. is the truth.

 

[TheBlueSpirit]

Hello Dr. friends! I am 2ManyCooks, a high level Dr. Mario main who recently attended Evo and did well! I am a top player in my region, (AB, Canada) and I'd love to know what other Doc's represented at Evo this year.

Here were some of my accomplishments:

Got 2nd seed in my pool, 2-0ing and eliminating Florida's GDX

Eliminated Vegas' BTB in quarter final pools.

Lost very narrowly to Chibo's Mii Gunner and ROB, taking 97th out of nearly 2,000 entrants.

Took games from Rain and Abadango in friendlies.

Convincingly beat TearBear in the two friendlies we played.

The Dr. is the truth.

Hey wassup man! I hate to say it, but I have never attended a tournament in my life so far, but Im trying to find at least something in Illinois to go to. But good on you for doing so well at Evo! I heard a bit about it recently and that's hype. The Dr, indeed, is the truth and more people need to realize that. Way to represent

 

[KenMeister]

Hello Dr. friends! I am 2ManyCooks, a high level Dr. Mario main who recently attended Evo and did well! I am a top player in my region, (AB, Canada) and I'd love to know what other Doc's represented at Evo this year.

Here were some of my accomplishments:

Got 2nd seed in my pool, 2-0ing and eliminating Florida's GDX

Eliminated Vegas' BTB in quarter final pools.

Lost very narrowly to Chibo's Mii Gunner and ROB, taking 97th out of nearly 2,000 entrants.

Took games from Rain and Abadango in friendlies.

Convincingly beat TearBear in the two friendlies we played.

The Dr. is the truth.

Have you thought about joining our Skype group? I'd like to see if you could teach the Docs on there a few tricks.

 

[2ManyCooks]

Have you thought about joining our Skype group? I'd like to see if you could teach the Docs on there a few tricks.

I'd love to join it! How would I go about doing this? I'm new to Smashboards!

 

[KenMeister]

I'd love to join it! How would I go about doing this? I'm new to Smashboards!

Good deal! Just add me on skype and I'll bring you into the group. ID: thekenster64 or KenMeisterLP

 

[2ManyCooks]

Good deal! Just add me on skype and I'll bring you into the group. ID: thekenster64 or KenMeisterLP

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[Deleted member]

Spoiler

Thoughts on this "Leak"?

 

[TheBlueSpirit]

Spoiler

Thoughts on this "Leak"?

It better be real. All I'm gonna say

 

[WeirdJoe27]

Something about the stage is bothering me..... the background. In the original game, the background changed color depending on speed level. Low was green, medium was blue and high was black. In later versions, the background also changed based on speed. In the leaked images, the background seems to always been orange (even though speed is shown at both low and medium).

Also, the background resembles the modern Dr. Mario (Dr. Luigi) titles, but the actual bottle, viruses, wordmark and Doc himself are from the NES version. The Duck Hunt stage is all retro. Newer stages that are meant to resemble retro games are modernized. This stage seems to be a bizarre mix. Perhaps that makes it more real, but that's the only part that I'm really skeptical about right now. Ultimately, I'm really hoping this stage is real!

 

[Sari]

If this is real I'm dying to know what the Dr. Mario/Luigi Medley's sound like.

 

[WeirdJoe27]

If it's real, they better include a version of Dr. Mario 64's (as well as later titles) "Sneeze" music. I like the original, but I just found this cool remix as well:

 

[Sari]

I wonder what the other 3 songs could be (if Mario's Super Picross can get a song then maybe we could get a new Tetris remix).

 

[WeirdJoe27]

I wonder what the other 3 songs could be (if Mario's Super Picross can get a song then maybe we could get a new Tetris remix).

Wario's Woods, Yoshi's Cookie, Pokemon Puzzle League all come to mind. Also, the alternate music from Dr. Mario 64 on up to Dr. Luigi. Personally, I'd love to have some music from Sega's Columns.

 

[Coolwhip]

I saw it earlier on GameXplain (YouTube)

 

[Sari]

It's also worth noting that the original Dr. Mario turned 25 years old a few days ago, which makes this stage more likely to be real.

 

[WeirdJoe27]

Just found this video for a Project M custom stage that closely mimics the "leaked" Dr. Mario stage for Smash 4.

The concept looks very cool in action. Too bad I'm still thinking the "leak" is fake.

 

[Sari]

Confirmed to be fake

 

[WeirdJoe27]

Replays are dead in the new patch. Doc feels the same, though. What does everyone else think?

 

[ChaosDanny]

I currently don't know any thing that's been changed due to me not being able use my Wii U at the moment. I really hope Sakurai helped Dr. Mario in some way.

 

[TheBlueSpirit]

I don't think any characters were changed but I could be wrong

 

[WeirdJoe27]

I don't think any characters were changed but I could be wrong

Not sure if serious.

 

[waterfall6464]

According to Dantarions data dump, an attack got its Knockback growth (kbg) increased from .6 to.75
http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/mariod.html
I checked Docs frame data on kuroganes page and the only attacks with 60 kbg pre patch is f-throw b-throw and grounded tornado.
Hopefully b-throw got buffed!

Edit: Not a throw buff most likely. Docs buffed move has the ID: 063 AttackHi4. Robin also got a change to this move as well as a couple of changes to his throws which have different IDs. What could AttackHi4 be?

Edit 2: Using dantarions master core guide I discovered that 063 is actually Up-Smash! So I guess this means it has a little more knockback?

 

[TheBlueSpirit]

Not sure if serious.

I take that back cause I actually bothered checking the forums

 

[WeirdJoe27]

According to Dantarions data dump, an attack got its Knockback growth (kbg) increased from .6 to.75
http://opensa.dantarion.com/s4/raw/diff-128-144/mariod.html
I checked Docs frame data on kuroganes page and the only attacks with 60 kbg pre patch is f-throw b-throw and grounded tornado.
Hopefully b-throw got buffed!

Edit: Not a throw buff most likely. Docs buffed move has the ID: 063 AttackHi4. Robin also got a change to this move as well as a couple of changes to his throws which have different IDs. What could AttackHi4 be?

Edit 2: Using dantarions master core guide I discovered that 063 is actually Up-Smash! So I guess this means it has a little more knockback?

That's what people are saying in the changelog thread. They say it's KBG (knockback growth). Also, I've heard that the hitbox in front has been expanded. I'll have to do some testing tomorrow, but the buffs sound good. His uSmash still is terrible, but at least it's not as terrible.

Update: So now that these changes have been confirmed, what's everyone's thoughts? I'm actually quite pleased with the expanded hitbox. I can't tell you how many times I was standing right next to an opponent, but because they were in front of me, I whiff on the uSmash. It's not the best option, but it is still useful.

 

[MistressRemilia]

That's what people are saying in the changelog thread. They say it's KBG (knockback growth). Also, I've heard that the hitbox in front has been expanded. I'll have to do some testing tomorrow, but the buffs sound good. His uSmash still is terrible, but at least it's not as terrible.

Update: So now that these changes have been confirmed, what's everyone's thoughts? I'm actually quite pleased with the expanded hitbox. I can't tell you how many times I was standing right next to an opponent, but because they were in front of me, I whiff on the uSmash. It's not the best option, but it is still useful.

I think Doc's Usmash is great, but not for killing.
It's a combo tool, you can catch many ppl off guard and get free regrabs.

 

[Eight_SixtyFour]

Bit hard to test it properly, but I could kill Mario from the middle of Peach's Castle 64 Omega at around 119-120. No DI accounted for and in training mode (so no rage and no staling). Compared to Mario's Up Smash on Mario in the same spot on the same stage and it kills around the same percentage.

Guess it was adjusted to be as powerful as Mario's but more unique?

Also, lol. Might just be the spacing but this is nice to know if it's true.

https://twitter.com/ChanK_SMASH/status/626995010953572357

 

[TheBlueSpirit]

I am actually really glad they fixed the hitbox on Docs Usmash, because I had lately been missing a few punishes because of the forward part not reaching like the swipe animation did

 

[MistressRemilia]

I'm just wishing for 3-4 Frames startup reduction on Fair, this alone would just be a blessing for Doc, for his combo game & kill possibilities. He would get the strongest kill confirm throw in game as well, which is impressive.

 

[Exegguter]

Is the way your opponent will be send flying from doc's usmash random or is there a explaining behind it? Sometimes they go left and sometimes they go right. Pretty important to know since it makes a difference near the edge whether usmash kills or not. It even kills earlier than mario's usmash if send to the right angle.

 

[TheBlueSpirit]

Is the way your opponent will be send flying from doc's usmash random or is there a explaining behind it? Sometimes they go left and sometimes they go right. Pretty important to know since it makes a difference near the edge whether usmash kills or not. It even kills earlier than mario's usmash if send to the right angle.

It's not random. If they're in front of you they are sent behind you. If they're behind they go forward (the way Doc swings his head, like he's using his cranium to direct them to his office or something).

 

[Eight_SixtyFour]

Is the way your opponent will be send flying from doc's usmash random or is there a explaining behind it? Sometimes they go left and sometimes they go right. Pretty important to know since it makes a difference near the edge whether usmash kills or not. It even kills earlier than mario's usmash if send to the right angle.

It sends the opponent to the side that Doc is on. The Up Smash buff seems to have made it as strong as Mario's (or slightly stronger) in the sense that it kills at around the same percentage as Mario's (around 120 on Mario with no DI, rage or staling from the center of Peach's Castle 64 Omega). Need further verification on this. Still incredibly powerful, especially with rage. I found another video of Atomsk using Doc in doubles and he had take some 120+ damage. Killed Marth on the side at 60-70.

 

[Exegguter]

Thanks guys. I killed a peach around 90% near the edge lol pretty sick. Now I know how

 

[MistressRemilia]

Yo, in case you don't do that yet. I highly recommend a secondary for some matchups
Too bad i didn't save a replay, i fell vs an amazing shulk, it was a pain & i could barely do any offensive option, as an aggro Doc, this matchup isn't easy at all. I ended up winning by UpB OoS one of his nairs at 120%. I got the first kill by Dthrow Fair, was proud of me on that one. Ike is also a tough matchup especially online where your powershields abilities are sort of hindered, and since Ike will throw aerials at you that have a bit of pushback, it's nice to powershield in this MU.

 

[MonkeyArms]

Is Doc's nair slower than his up air? If so its kind of pointless

 

[TheBlueSpirit]

For st

Is Doc's nair slower than his up air? If so its kind of pointless

For startup? I'm pretty sure it's not. You can't shff auto cancel nair tho (only sh from my what I know) but you can with uair.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Is Doc's nair slower than his up air? If so its kind of pointless

It's faster by 1 frame and you get easier techchase setups from it with the weak hit. It's a good rising oos option if you need to guess defensively and it can cover spotdodges.

Also guys, use more Jab cancels when you're around 100%. Rage Jab2 -> Up-B is unblockable on way more characters when you have Rage, mostly only super heavy characters and fastfallers can block it.