DDoTWx2 (5:17:44 PM): word
DDoTWx2 (5:19:32 PM): well yo, i watned to ask you
Dogysamich (5:19:37 PM): shoot?
DDoTWx2 (5:19:39 PM): you really believe mario > DOc in that matchup?
Dogysamich (5:19:53 PM): i dont know for sure, but that makes more sense than doc being better than mario
Dogysamich (5:20:11 PM): because all doc really has in the matchup is ko moves and more knockbakc
Dogysamich (5:20:19 PM): which, although that's nothing to be taken lightly, that's ALL he has
DDoTWx2 (5:20:41 PM): true true
Dogysamich (5:20:51 PM): mario on the other, has range (with f.smash alone, which is unpunishable if spaced right), combos better, recovers better, and technically speaking edgeguards better
DDoTWx2 (5:20:57 PM): but like i made this argument in the thread... but i figured i would throw it out
DDoTWx2 (5:21:06 PM): both of there recoveries are garbage
Dogysamich (5:21:10 PM): exactly
Dogysamich (5:21:14 PM): so if either one of them gets b.aired, they're done
DDoTWx2 (5:21:16 PM): and they can both theorecticaly edgeguard one another just as equally
DDoTWx2 (5:21:19 PM): minus that mario can go out farther
Dogysamich (5:21:27 PM): that's one reason why marios is better
Dogysamich (5:21:37 PM): that, and he can use fireballs to stop doc from coming in at a better angle
DDoTWx2 (5:21:39 PM): which IMO is still risky because if doc hits mario at all while he's out there Mario is done too
Dogysamich (5:21:49 PM): not really
Dogysamich (5:22:02 PM): as doc is coming in, what is he going to hit mario with where doc will safely recover?
DDoTWx2 (5:22:05 PM): if doc does a Nair or even a Bair while Mario goes out to edgeguard him
DDoTWx2 (5:22:15 PM): assuming doc already knows he is going to die
DDoTWx2 (5:22:21 PM): a trade would screw over mario as well
Dogysamich (5:22:24 PM): if doc nairs, mario goes back on the stage
DDoTWx2 (5:22:28 PM): hmmm
Dogysamich (5:22:33 PM): if he bairs, the only way that will hit mario and knock him out is if mario overshoots
DDoTWx2 (5:22:38 PM): true
Dogysamich (5:22:39 PM): and if mario overshoots, he deserves whatever he gets
Dogysamich (5:22:39 PM): XD
DDoTWx2 (5:22:41 PM): haha
DDoTWx2 (5:22:42 PM): well
Dogysamich (5:22:44 PM): you could upair, mario goes back on the stage
DDoTWx2 (5:22:46 PM): what i was getting a
DDoTWx2 (5:22:49 PM): at*
DDoTWx2 (5:22:52 PM): is that since in the endg
DDoTWx2 (5:22:58 PM): there edgeguard game is about even
DDoTWx2 (5:23:04 PM): since Doc has an easier time knocking people out
DDoTWx2 (5:23:15 PM): shouldn't he theoretically keep Mario off the stage better?
DDoTWx2 (5:23:19 PM): like for example
Dogysamich (5:23:23 PM): not specifially
DDoTWx2 (5:23:24 PM): i was playing against Gmoney the other day
DDoTWx2 (5:23:32 PM): all i had to do was Dair->dsmash him at like 50%
DDoTWx2 (5:23:34 PM): and edgehog
DDoTWx2 (5:23:38 PM): thats one dead mario
Dogysamich (5:23:44 PM): gmoney ever thing to do stuff like walljump?
DDoTWx2 (5:23:47 PM): i dont think mario can get away with things like that as easily
DDoTWx2 (5:23:53 PM): we were on PS....
DDoTWx2 (5:23:56 PM): can't really wall jump there
Dogysamich (5:24:00 PM): ok
Dogysamich (5:24:14 PM): he could cape low, and come up with an attack; mario can do that since his cape gives him lift on the first cape
DDoTWx2 (5:24:22 PM): hmmm very true
Dogysamich (5:24:28 PM): an attack being anything except f.air and (i think) n.air
DDoTWx2 (5:24:39 PM): uair would prolly be fine
Dogysamich (5:25:00 PM): yeah doc gets mario off the stage easier, but again, mario's recovery is better
Dogysamich (5:25:07 PM): not specifically because of distance, but because of options
DDoTWx2 (5:25:08 PM): ture true
Dogysamich (5:25:17 PM): with mario, caping and attacking is completely viable
Dogysamich (5:25:29 PM): sinve if he gets tapped, he's still got another cape
DDoTWx2 (5:25:33 PM): true
DDoTWx2 (5:25:35 PM): like i dont know
DDoTWx2 (5:25:38 PM): in my experience
Dogysamich (5:25:43 PM): doc tries that **** and gets hit, and he's tryin to figure out how to use the next stock
DDoTWx2 (5:25:50 PM): i haven't had trouble vs. Mario
DDoTWx2 (5:25:54 PM): like its a rough matchup
DDoTWx2 (5:26:02 PM): but i can't think of the lats time i lost to a mario
DDoTWx2 (5:26:08 PM): granted
DDoTWx2 (5:26:09 PM): this is just me
DDoTWx2 (5:26:18 PM): doesn't mean it plays out like that in top level play
Dogysamich (5:26:19 PM): whenever i go to columbus, i play DP (DP's Mario, rather. XD)
DDoTWx2 (5:26:23 PM): right
Dogysamich (5:26:32 PM): and those matches go either way, but it's more of him running me into the ground with ****
Dogysamich (5:26:49 PM): and then i've been wrecked by DJ nintendo's mario twice in tourney
Dogysamich (5:26:55 PM): greenmario mops the floor with me
DDoTWx2 (5:27:04 PM): hmm
Dogysamich (5:27:07 PM): but in my defense, both of them actually play doc too
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I think that's all we said. I've got a wall of text going with OTG right now.
