Doctor Who Mafia: Night 1 Begins! Deadline is set for the 31th at 0400.

[Dark Yoshi]

Because nobody has yet to answer how my lie itself was anti-town, so if that's his reason, then it's crushed. However, if he has another reason, I'm curious to hear it.

 

[hidajiremi]

Seriously, what is this, amateur hour? No, you're all a bunch of imbeciles, and if Adumb was playing in this game instead of modding it he'd be raging all over you.

People like you are why I don't play forum mafia. You're rude, nasty, and unnecessarily demeaning. Telling someone they're a moron is not a way to teach them to play better--it's a way to make them not want to play anymore. That said, I think you're raging too hard to be scum, which is a shame because I'd really like to lynch you.

So you say that hiding your role is good, but lying about it is bad? That's contradictory at best. I generally agree with lynching liars, but I stand by the idea that concealing your role--by whatever means necessary--is good for town, at least through the early game.

 

[hidajiremi]

Because nobody has yet to answer how my lie itself was anti-town, so if that's his reason, then it's crushed. However, if he has another reason, I'm curious to hear it.

Your lie was anti-town because it could have convinced noob town players to go along with a bad strategy, one that would have hampered them for the rest of the game. And I'm sick of you defending a lie that clearly wasn't going to help anyone except maybe yourself at the expense of the rest of us. You just became my front-runner.

Vote Dark Yoshi

 

[smargaret]

Was that hammer?

 

[X1-12]

No.

Dark Yoshi [5] - Gheb_01, Chuckie, Teryble Doom~, Nabe, hidajeremi
Smargaret [1] - Dark Yoshi
Swiss [1] - Peach Monster
Gheb_01 [4] - The Pink Sasquatch, Swiss, Hilt, DEHF
Kuzmaru [1]- Dr. Riddler
Nabe [1] - Smargaret

The Pink Sasquatch [0] -
Hilt [0] -
DEHF [0] -
Tandora [0] -
Peach Monster [0] -
Hidajiremi [0] -
July [0] -
Chuckie [0] -
Teryble Doom~ [0] -
Dr. Riddler [0] -

Not Voting[4] - Tandora, July, Kuzmaru, Pythag

With 17 Companions alive it take 9 to lynch.

 

[Kuzmaru]

People like you are why I don't play forum mafia. You're rude, nasty, and unnecessarily demeaning. Telling someone they're a moron is not a way to teach them to play better--it's a way to make them not want to play anymore. That said, I think you're raging too hard to be scum, which is a shame because I'd really like to lynch you.

So you say that hiding your role is good, but lying about it is bad? That's contradictory at best. I generally agree with lynching liars, but I stand by the idea that concealing your role--by whatever means necessary--is good for town, at least through the early game.

Yeah, it seems people play that way on SWF. This kind of play just seems dirty. I also don't like it when people call someone stupid just so they can back off them as an excuse. Although I'd say just ignore it. I believe they do these things to cause ATE reactions, so try not to get angry at them. Just let them know what you thought of their play after the game ends.

 

[The Pink Sasquatch]

No.

Dark Yoshi [5] - Gheb_01, Chuckie, Teryble Doom~, Nabe, hidajeremi
Smargaret [1] - Dark Yoshi
Swiss [1] - Peach Monster
Gheb_01 [4] - The Pink Sasquatch, Swiss, Hilt, DEHF
Kuzmaru [1]- Dr. Riddler
Nabe [1] - Smargaret

The Pink Sasquatch [0] -
Hilt [0] -
DEHF [0] -
Tandora [0] -
Peach Monster [0] -
Hidajiremi [0] -
July [0] -
Chuckie [0] -
Teryble Doom~ [0] -
Dr. Riddler [0] -

Not Voting[4] - Tandora, July, Kuzmaru, Pythag

With 17 Companions alive it take 9 to lynch.

dat was me. Proper post coming soon.

 

[Kuzmaru]

I'm going to put DY at L-1 in 5 minutes.

 

[The Pink Sasquatch]

I'm pretty sure he's only at L-4 right now..

 

[Kuzmaru]

Oops. I was confused with 7/13 lynch.... Well I'm voting DY either way.

Vote: DY

 

[The Pink Sasquatch]

#398: Gheb thinks that him laying a FoS on Hilt was enough to make Hilt unvote, Gheb thinks this is scummy.

#425: Hilt says to Gheb, there must be other reasons that I'm scum, surely?

#456: Gheb says he also found Hilt scummy due to the fact his case on Pythag was weak. When pressed for quotes, he brings up posts #422 and #433. Posts both made after Gheb accused Hilt of being scum.

I suggest we Lynch Gheb around now.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I don't see how this is a problem and Hilt never bothered to explain why. Who cares at what time he said what - it's scummy either way. How fitting that you would ignore that and instead focus on something completely marginal.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Btw I think that vote count is wrong. I remember unvoting DY. I'm undecided atm.

Unvote

In case I haven't.

 

[Kuzmaru]

Why are you undecided, Gheb?

 

[Tandora]

I kind of feel like somebody said something similar earlier this game -.-

Man, that guy is smart and we should totally listen to him.

 

[The Pink Sasquatch]

Gheb you put Hilt as #2 suspect, he then asked for reasons and the reasons you gave can't have existed when you found him #2 suspect, why did you not give reasons that actually applied to when you attacked him? If there are any such reasons, explain them. It looks as though you've got caught out posting with no reasoning, and then try to get out of it by bull****ting. If you weren't doing that, explain what other reason you could have for justifying a past scumlist with posts which didn't even exist at that point.

 

[smargaret]

Yeah, that large game thing threw me off.

Pink has a decent point about Gheb. I'd like to see the answer to his question as well.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Why are you undecided, Gheb?

Because I find none of the people on the DY wagon very trustworthy as of now. If Chuckie could post a little more and take harder stances it'd make things a bit easier for me but right now I'm not convinced by that wagon.

In regards to Hilt / Pink I can't make up my mind. At the moment it looks more like Pink is trying to keep me the center of talk at all costs to give Hilt fake support. It could be the other way round though, with Hilt nudging Pink to keep his thought process centered around me. One of them should be investigated.

The votes of my town reads are scattered or none voters. I'm a bit lost.

Gheb you put Hilt as #2 suspect, he then asked for reasons and the reasons you gave can't have existed when you found him #2 suspect, why did you not give reasons that actually applied to when you attacked him? If there are any such reasons, explain them. It looks as though you've got caught out posting with no reasoning, and then try to get out of it by bull****ting. If you weren't doing that, explain what other reason you could have for justifying a past scumlist with posts which didn't even exist at that point.

Who said that I need more than one reason to have him as #2 on my scum list? That's a completely random idea that suddenly popped up for no reason at all. I had a reason to find Hilt scummy and I explained it. Just because he demands more than one reason doesn't mean more is actually required. However, I later found confirmation on the suspicion I had based on his case, which I generally found generic and overly agreeable for the majority.

One reason can be enough if I find it to be a good one - and if "reacting poorly" and "being defensive" are ever actually scum tells, then they are in *this* particular case. That's quite a damn good reason for me.

 

[The Pink Sasquatch]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12004765&postcount=456

You quite clearly quote him asking about what the other reasons are, you even cut out some parts of the quote which indicates you are responding solely to that point. Thats pretty much confirmation that you thought there were other reasons.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

So what? He asked me about the "other" reasons, so I gave them to him. He didn't say "only give me the reason you had at a certain time". If I find something that strongly confirms my suspicions I will mention it regardless of what timespan he asked about [which he didn't even specify to begin with - very hypocritical to actually make a "case" out of it].

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Also since you haven't shown the ability to question yourself or change your mind so far, I consider responding to you a waste of time as it will accomplish nothing. Stay stubborn and lose the game for the town if you feel like it.

 

[The Pink Sasquatch]

Hilt asked you what other reasons there were for putting him at #2 suspect. You respond saying "the reasons I put you as #2 suspect were:" and proceed to list things that hadn't even occurred at the time you attacked him.


Why are you trying to AtE me?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

And the point, that it's entirely irrelevant still remains.

AtE? More like AtR [R being "reason"]. I'm not saying "omg plz don't lynch meh im innocent QQ", I'm saying "use your ****ing brain for once".

 

[X1-12]

Its not entirely irrelevant, you accepted that there were other reasons that Hilt was your #2 suspect at that time, yet have failed to post them and instead have lied your way through.

 

[Kuzmaru]

Gheb, if you could shoot either Hilt or Pink, who would you choose? They both seem to be trying to fish something out of you.

 

[The Pink Sasquatch]

Its not entirely irrelevant, you accepted that there were other reasons that Hilt was your #2 suspect at that time, yet have failed to post them and instead have lied your way through.

That was me.

 

[The Pink Sasquatch]

Gheb, if you could shoot either Hilt or Pink, who would you choose? They both seem to be trying to fish something out of you.

Gheb can still answer, but do you not have anything to say about the situation? What do you think of Gheb? How does his defence against my case read to you? Town or scum? Explain your reads.

 

[Kuzmaru]

Gheb can still answer, but do you not have anything to say about the situation? What do you think of Gheb? How does his defence against my case read to you? Town or scum? Explain your reads.

Gheb is town. Although he is a bit undecided, I hope he finds a stance. Your case seems to note how Gheb communicates with the town, but it doesn't really denote anything scummy. I just see a bit of an attitude; if I noted him insulting I'd ignore it.

I'd rather Hilt/You go rather then Gheb. Most likely Hilt. Your case seems more legit then Hilt's.

My FoS was enough to make him unvote, which makes me think that his stance was really weak to begin with. Pretty suspect imo. Hilt's currently my #2 suspect after Dark Yoshiscum.

I don't think Gheb is scummy for answering a question about Hilt.

I unvoted because my vote served no other purpose, not because the scary scary Gheb FoS'd me, lol. It was a vote meant mostly for pressure, as many are early game. Why else am I scummy, Gheb? If I'm your second highest suspect out of a game this large, there must be other reasons, right?

Nah. I only had two scumpicks and this is a large game. He seemed to give a reason, why aren't you satisfied? Plus, he was asked a question about you, by Chuckie. How come you haven't questioned Chuckie about that?

Also the FOS thing seems to be a misunderstanding.

Hilt why aren't you voting for anyone atm?

Something to note.

Gauging reactions is scum hunting. Why aren't you scum hunting. You've had four posts the entire game outside of confirmation. What have we gotten out of those four posts? You saying that it would be "very bad" if one or both of PM/Swiss are scum, a comment saying that voting for hydras at the slightest of scumminess is a-ok, and a something about there being "scum around smar".

Vote: Pythag

Gheb is right that you could have been voting others or asking others (like me) questions, yet you only focused on Pythag.

I feel like this is just a stance to get back into the game from inactivity. So, Hilt, what is your scumpick list now?

vote: kuzmaru

I would proxy ff's votes if i don't feel strongly about my own.

Yet it seems Dr. Riddler already put some pressure on me, so maybe Hilt focused on Pythag since no one addressed him? (and I was already being pressured a bit, so he wouldn't need to vote me?)

Considering how many concrete suspicions we have at the moment, I find your reason to vote Pythag incredibly vague. Can you really say his lack of substantial input is the scummiest thing going on right now? I'd find it hard to believe if you told me it was. Especially since certain other people have hardly given us more to work with - why is Pythag more suspect for you than Hidajiremi to whom the same accusation applies just as much? I think there are other people who fit that category because there are people in this game I can hardly remember making any input - what has kuzmaru contributed so far?

Unvote

Did Hilt answer this? Oh right, he said no one cares. Why would he say that?

Nice try! You had said that I was the second most scummy player before I voted for Pythag, so you're going to have to give me more reason than that. Don't try to weasel your way out of this one, ghebby. Also yes, his lack of putting forth any effort and just skirting by was more reason to vote him for me than anyone else. Not that he was particularly more scummy than everyone else, but because someone in that situation should die. How was my reason to vote for Pythag vague? I thought it was very clear. Please point this out for me.

I'm currently on the fence regarding DY. I don't think that him lying about his "trap" is enough reason to lynch him, though. And I'm bothered by him being at L-1 this early in the day.

So who would you rather lynch and why? Why does he have to give you more reason?

 

[Dark Yoshi]

Hida, two things:

1. Noobtown have no dire reason to volunteer for proxies, noobscum do. Thats why I think the volunteers are probably scum.

2. "Would only help you"? Are you even trying? It would help catch scum, which helps the whole town

 

[hidajiremi]

2. "Would only help you"? Are you even trying? It would help catch scum, which helps the whole town

Good plans catch scum. Yours... was a different creature. almost wholly unlike a good plan, though just appealing enough to make new players of any affiliation consider it. You know what, I'm pretty much done debating this with you. It was a bad plan, and you should feel bad for having tried it. Since you clearly don't, then you're just scummy. My vote against you stands.

 

[Tandora]

Was that hammer?

If Hida had hammered, do you think that would have been a more scum or noob tell?

Good plans catch scum. Yours... was a different creature. almost wholly unlike a good plan, though just appealing enough to make new players of any affiliation consider it. You know what, I'm pretty much done debating this with you. It was a bad plan, and you should feel bad for having tried it. Since you clearly don't, then you're just scummy. My vote against you stands.

Jiremi, are you voting DY because you believe he's scum or because he's dumb?

@Pink Sasquatch, has the J head of your hydra posted at all? Will/does he use a different color if/when he posts? If he hasn't posted, have you two discussed your role's opinion on people yet? If he hasn't/isn't going to post, will you revert to X1 officially?

@ all the hydras, I had to admit it, but you guys have been pretty good overall either posting on your hydra or quickly including the relevant post on a following post on the correct account. Thank you so much and I hope it continues.

 

[Tandora]

EBWOP: had = hate

 

[hidajiremi]

Jiremi, are you voting DY because you believe he's scum or because he's dumb?

His insistence on his bad plan makes him scummy. He's clearly trying to back up his bad plan by saying it's good over and over again in the desperate hope that someone believes him. Say the same nonsense often enough, and you might actually get people to believe it. He made a town-detrimental lie and he won't back off from it--thus, scummy.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Gheb you put Hilt as #2 suspect, he then asked for reasons and the reasons you gave can't have existed when you found him #2 suspect, why did you not give reasons that actually applied to when you attacked him? If there are any such reasons, explain them. It looks as though you've got caught out posting with no reasoning, and then try to get out of it by bull****ting. If you weren't doing that, explain what other reason you could have for justifying a past scumlist with posts which didn't even exist at that point.

Allllll of this

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Who said that I need more than one reason to have him as #2 on my scum list? That's a completely random idea that suddenly popped up for no reason at all. I had a reason to find Hilt scummy and I explained it. Just because he demands more than one reason doesn't mean more is actually required. However, I later found confirmation on the suspicion I had based on his case, which I generally found generic and overly agreeable for the majority.

One reason can be enough if I find it to be a good one - and if "reacting poorly" and "being defensive" are ever actually scum tells, then they are in *this* particular case. That's quite a damn good reason for me.

Are you really one to talk about another's reading comprehension when you are being this big of an idiot? Try to understand this, Gheb. Please.

When you said that you found me scummy, which was before I had said anything about Pythag other than me liking Smarg's taking a stance on him (as I proved to you), I asked you to show me why I was #2 on your scum list. You said it was because of my reasoning for my vote on Pythag, which was after you had already said that you found me scummy. How could you find me scummy for a stance I hadn't taken yet? You couldn't have. You didn't.

I'm no longer trying to get you to give me a reason, don't get my wrong. I've already realized that you didn't have a reason and that your basis for putting me as your #2 on your scum list was baseless, and until you give reasoning otherwise, one reason for you finding me scummy at that point in time, I will continue think this way. I'm glad to know I'm not the only one.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Perhaps you think that I'm trying to defend myself through this? I'm proving that your stance on a player was baseless when made. Prove me otherwise. I don't think you can. You scum, Gheb?

 

[DtJ Hilt]

I'd rather Hilt/You go rather then Gheb. Most likely Hilt. Your case seems more legit then Hilt's.

What are the differences in our cases? They're the same case, as far as I can tell. Explain, please.

I don't think Gheb is scummy for answering a question about Hilt.

But he didn't answer the question. He answered a similar, but different question that I didn't ask him.

Nah. I only had two scumpicks and this is a large game. He seemed to give a reason, why aren't you satisfied? Plus, he was asked a question about you, by Chuckie. How come you haven't questioned Chuckie about that?

Again, he did not give a reason. Did you skim my posts?

Gheb is right that you could have been voting others or asking others (like me) questions, yet you only focused on Pythag.

I feel like this is just a stance to get back into the game from inactivity. So, Hilt, what is your scumpick list now?

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12017411&postcount=536
And Gheb.

So who would you rather lynch and why? Why does he have to give you more reason?

Read above.

 

[DtJ Hilt]

Again, what are the reasons for the DY wagon other than him lying? Don't accuse me of skimming like Gheb did, give me an answer.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

F'ING DEAD @ calling my suspicions baseless. This is exactly what I expected to happen. Misconstruing facts too scapegoat me... I mean are you SERIOUS?

I clearly FoSed you before that and told you why so don't go round acting like things don't make sense now. You KNOW I was suspicious of you and you KNOW why. You just try to make up dumb, arbitrary to discredit my points. "You didn't say that earlier so it doesn't count". GTFO

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

You claim that I hold myself not accountable ... why don't you demonstrate that first? It's not my job to prove you wrong, it's your job to back up your hypothesis.

I've reread since. I was mostly wrong, but there were still some important examples and here they are.

Spoiler

I'm not going to spoonfeed the game to you. If you can not see the obvious you are the one who fails. Also, I have just pointed the parallels themselves out and you still don't see it. Further proof that you didn't actually read at all and just pretend to know more than you actually do.

What X1 was asking you for was specifics of where these parallels were in Community Mafia, as I'm sure you know, while you only told him the names of the players involved in said parallels. I think it would be fair to ask him to find them himself, except that he thinks Community compared to this game is town => scum. This should probably be dropped unless X1 feels it's particularly compelling; I don't.

Sorry I don't feel like writing a whole essay on the most obvious of scumtells.

If it's obvious, it shouldn't take an essay. I don't think a proper response here was asking a lot.

X1 and Pythag: Learn how to play this game, please.

This statement acted as your response to posts made by X1 and Pythag, rather than you actually addressing their content. I believe you did later, but that calls into question why this post was necessary at all.

Adding Swiss to that list.

I've quoted this to note the disparity between this and the previous quote. Here, you've said this validly about Swiss because he made a vote with no additional content or reasoning.

tl;dr no u

A response to Hilt's post. Obviously could be better handled but this whole situation has deteriorated as I've said previously.

Something I would like from you:

The amount of doors and options DY keeps himself open in EACH post is ridiculous. And conveniently it always goes along with what the majority wants.

Could you demonstrate DH leaving doors/options open? Or tell me the post number where you already addressed this? Thanks.


Hilt, front and center. Please conglomerate all of the proof that Gheb was inconsistent with his stance into one post, using

Spoiler

if the post is long. Make it a series of quotes that demonstrate the timeframe, no explanation, then summarize why these quotes mean what you say at the end of your post. After that, please address whatever else you feel you have on Gheb. Deadline is coming up and a crystallization and organization of the issues would be appreciated. Thanks.