soap
Smash Hero
id put money on forwards fox nowadays
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Do you agree with Sheik's current placing on the Tier List?
- Thread starter Bil
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NeighborhoodP
Smash Hero
soap
Smash Hero
apparently ur supposed to be able to infinitely tech chase them on reaction, but i cant get past a couple consistently on good falcons
otg
Smash Master
M2k, if you want people to believe Sheik is the best, start using her in grandfinals, and maybe try figuring out some matchup specifics for Spacies. If there is anyone who can it's you.
Mew2King
King of the Mews
there is no REASON for me to, it does not help me win when i can use marth. Believe what you want, I don't really care anymore since apparently the "final" tier list is out, but I'm telling you the truth.
Bil
Smash Ace
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
I'm so glad that you don't get to affected by what people say and just do what you want yourself instead.
Forcing yourself to play sheik just to prove something to a bunch of scrubs would be a bad idea, imo
People can have whatever opinion they want, you don't have to do a bunch of **** to "prove" something
congrats winning event 52, btw
nicaboy
Smash Champion
sheik borken? ah yeah
Dav657
Smash Apprentice
M2k I completely agree with you that sheik is an underused and slightly broken character. I hate her tech chase
. But you main marth? Why if you believe shiek is the best; why dont you use her more often? I would personally love to see what you could do with her.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
because most good people play fox and marth can 0-death cg fox.
everlasting yayuhzz
Smash Champion
Too many weakness? I can count Fox's weaknesses on one hand. lol
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
honestly i think fox's only major weakness is that he doesn't have much range lol.
being chain grabbable and easily edgeguarded sucks too i guess but i think most characters at high level get edgeguarded pretty easily except for like jigglypuff honestly.
being chain grabbable and easily edgeguarded sucks too i guess but i think most characters at high level get edgeguarded pretty easily except for like jigglypuff honestly.
brickman
Smash Lord
I agree with Sheiks placement. I don't know how many matches I've played against falco, but I know for certain that Sheik is better than falco in a 1 v 1 match up. As far as how they fair against their ditto and the other high tier characters, they both have their weaknesses.
Sheik is obviously at a loss to fox because of her get back and the fatality of the drill shine upsmash combo. Marth is better than sheik, but the match up can go a lot of different ways. I agree that sheik is lower than marth because once again, sheiks recovery causes her to get ganked by spaced f smashes. This is one of her major weaknesses, and one of the reasons why sheik is below fox/marth but higher than falco.
Needles to the face of both those **** spacies usually puts those *******s in place.
Sheik is obviously at a loss to fox because of her get back and the fatality of the drill shine upsmash combo. Marth is better than sheik, but the match up can go a lot of different ways. I agree that sheik is lower than marth because once again, sheiks recovery causes her to get ganked by spaced f smashes. This is one of her major weaknesses, and one of the reasons why sheik is below fox/marth but higher than falco.
Needles to the face of both those **** spacies usually puts those *******s in place.
nicaboy
Smash Champion
if m2k plays sheik i will **** myself lol
anyway sheik has weakness too cough cough fox although still very playable besides that ya maybe she is # 1? na man she dont got good recovery either very gimp able. god its hard too think of her weakness. uh lets think for a second nica
anyway sheik has weakness too cough cough fox although still very playable besides that ya maybe she is # 1? na man she dont got good recovery either very gimp able. god its hard too think of her weakness. uh lets think for a second nica
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
Like half the cast can cg him (and he's easily combo'd in general). Even bowser can take fox 0->death with a single grab on fd lol
and he is extremly gimpable due to his fast falling and low priority of his recovery moves
everlasting yayuhzz
Smash Champion
Yeah? So what? Get a grab on a good Fox on a stage where you can chain grab him. It won't happen often. Actually, lmao. FD is the only place where chain grabbing actually matters. That's one stage out of a lot, pal. And Fox's recovery is way better than people give it credit for. Not to mention he's harder to edgeguard properly compared to like 95% of the cast. Sheik is just EASY to edgeguard. Grab the ledge. Force her to land on the stage. Stand up. Do what you want. Rinse and repeat until she dies.
Fox's only weaknesses are hard to exploit anyway. He's got an option for nearly EVERYTHING. You can chain grab him. Great. Can you match his camping capabilities? He can surely evade you. You can combo him easily? Good ****. He can probably combo you easier from more setups than you can him. Most characters have to land a grab on Fox to combo him. A GRAB. ON FOX. THAT **** IS HARD.
Fox's only weaknesses are hard to exploit anyway. He's got an option for nearly EVERYTHING. You can chain grab him. Great. Can you match his camping capabilities? He can surely evade you. You can combo him easily? Good ****. He can probably combo you easier from more setups than you can him. Most characters have to land a grab on Fox to combo him. A GRAB. ON FOX. THAT **** IS HARD.
nicaboy
Smash Champion
ya ya sheik is 3rd still
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
But they're there. Point made.
lol
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I don't know I think it's very easy to take advantage of Fox's relatively average range.
everlasting yayuhzz
Smash Champion
Point made? LOL You're an idiot when it comes to Fox, honestly. That's like saying you can see weaknesses in Mike Tyson's fighting. I'll tell your *** to go take advantage of them and you'll get laid out before you know what happened. He has a few weaknesses that he can change his style to null out for the most part. His only real weaknesses is his SOMEWHAT short range which he can make up for by just shooting his **** blaster and his SOMEWHAT gimpable recovery. He's still better than Sheik anyway.
Please, stop talking like you know about this game. You don't.
Oh, and I never once said Fox didn't have any weaknesses.
brickman
Smash Lord
lol, got 'em.
I love it.
QFT
I think Fox is the best character and think sheik's placement is fine. I might even debate that she is too high because marth can fight spacies faaaaaar better than sheik can.
But so I don't get zomgwtfm2ksaidsheikistehnumber1
I won't go there
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MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
And I never once said fox doesn't make up for his weaknesses with his strengths.
What are we even arguing about? We're not, LOL.
Stop acting tough on the internet and trying so hard defending your ego, noone cares
I thought you were trying to say sheik is the best character in melee.
Then yahuzz was arguing that she isn't the best character in melee......
I coulda sworn that was the original argument....
Then yahuzz was arguing that she isn't the best character in melee......
I coulda sworn that was the original argument....
everlasting yayuhzz
Smash Champion
I think that's what we were doing. I actually don't remember. All I know is that Fox > Sheik. He's just got too many options and too many ways to kill with too many setups for death combos and he has a move that comes out in one frame. He's FOX MC ****IN' CLOUD.
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
^^
i just pointed out that "10" can't mean a perfect char since marth and fox are far from perfect
and then yayuhzz started arguing
lol
It wasn't
i just pointed out that "10" can't mean a perfect char since marth and fox are far from perfect
and then yayuhzz started arguing
lol
everlasting yayuhzz
Smash Champion
Fox is the closest thing to perfect in Melee, if you get any better than Fox then you DO have a perfect character. Marth isn't that far behind.
A frame-perfect Fox is actually untouchable.
A frame-perfect Fox is actually untouchable.
MikeHaggarTHAKJB
Smash Master
"closest thing to perfect in Melee" just isn't close enough to perfect. Think about what "perfect" means.
elvenarrow3000
Smash Master
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...but...
...what?
The scores were just an average of the votes... 10 would just be everyone voting for him or something...
It doesn't have anything to do with them being a perfect character @_@
...what?
The scores were just an average of the votes... 10 would just be everyone voting for him or something...
It doesn't have anything to do with them being a perfect character @_@
everlasting yayuhzz
Smash Champion
It actually is.
Imagine the smartest player in the world who could move his fingers this fast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyVLKgr3BEQ
You have the essence of a perfect character. One mistake will either kill you or leave you with 70 or more damage every single time.
Imagine the smartest player in the world who could move his fingers this fast. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyVLKgr3BEQ
You have the essence of a perfect character. One mistake will either kill you or leave you with 70 or more damage every single time.
soap
Smash Hero
fox with falco stun blaster and sheiks fair would be a poifect character, just hop on in with lasers at mach speed, up throw up air x 3 end it with a fair, laser the recovery, jump out shinespike, it would be nonsense
everlasting yayuhzz
Smash Champion
Give Fox Jigg's recovery. There you go, unbeatable character.
soap
Smash Hero
i like my mutant fox more
brickman
Smash Lord
sooooo.....everyone is coming to smym9, right?
lol.......
lol.......
Bil
Smash Ace
Fixed.....
unknown522
Some guy
I agree with the list. Sheik has 2-3 slight disadvantages now:
- falco
- climbers?
- fox
fox has falco
marth has sheik
falco has:
- peach
- puff
- marth
- honestly, I think samus too
then there's the tournaments.........
- falco
- climbers?
- fox
fox has falco
marth has sheik
falco has:
- peach
- puff
- marth
- honestly, I think samus too
then there's the tournaments.........
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
sheik beats the climbers.
beyond that i agree with that vein of logic, although i think sheik's matchups with fox/falco are easier overall than marth's matchup with sheik, and fox's matchup with falco.
Ryan-K
Smash Master
for every time that a character can cg or combo fox to death he can do the same with much less effort in both execution and finding openings to do so.
plus the only characters that make fox actually go to them are like falco and i guess sheik, so it's not like he has to always be in your face since he has options for every situation
fox getting comboed and **** isn't that bad, you just have to not be stupid. honestly the fastfalling is an underrated advantage, think about how hard it is to punish alot of stuff with like luigi and dare I say marth's floaty jumps.
plus the only characters that make fox actually go to them are like falco and i guess sheik, so it's not like he has to always be in your face since he has options for every situation
fox getting comboed and **** isn't that bad, you just have to not be stupid. honestly the fastfalling is an underrated advantage, think about how hard it is to punish alot of stuff with like luigi and dare I say marth's floaty jumps.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
fox outcamps sheik grotesquely
fox should not feel obligated to approach sheik in a camping war