Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[DarkFalcon]

I much prefer Chief over DoomGuy. Reason 1 is personal attachment. Reason 2 is all I can think of when I see DoomGuy is over the top blood and gore. Translating that character faithfully into a "kid friendly" game sounds difficult.

Yes yes, Bayonetta, but even with her lewdness toned down she still seems pretty Bayonetta.

Ridley too, but I don't really think of blood and gore when I think of Ridley violence.

I'm not really one to debate over the character though. It isn't up to me. There's plenty of violent characters in Smash with crazy CG trailers so meh. If Sakurai thinks he can represent DOOM faithfully without all that then respect to him. I just prefer Chief.

 

[Momotsuki]

While he does comment on things now and then, Sakurai is usually very hesitant nowadays to talk about the games he likes or has been playing.
The dude can't even enjoy some interior decor without people breathing down his neck, imagine if he actually talked extensively about the games he's been playing...

 

[Deleted member]

I'm a prophet.

CP11 is Isaac.

I sure hope you are, now.

 

[Gengar84]

Speaking of Sora and Doomguy, two of my top three most wanted characters are from Microsoft and Square-Enix but are totally different characters. I enjoy KH but I’m not a big Sora fan. I’d still like him for all the other content he would bring. I’ve only owned the original DOOM and rented DOOM 64 so I don’t have a huge connection with Doomguy. He’d be pretty cool though.

 

[Momotsuki]

I'm a prophet too.
It's Waluigi or maybe Reimu.

...My gods are false.

 

[Dukefire]

Oh yeah, the internet isn't a place to breathe easy since he is the creator of Smash Bros. It will reduce immensely once the Last Challenger is revealed. However, the question of when is the next Smash Bros will begin in about 1-2 years after the last Mr. Sakurai Presents video.

Which I can predict that the next smash game isn't coming until another console is announced. Maybe 3-4 years later after the switch's lifespan

 

[CureParfait]

After playing DR chapter 2 I got reminded of how much I love the Undertale verse, and while I don't think it's very likely I would absolutely be down for an Undertale/Deltarune character as the final character. Mostly because I want to beat up Incineroar while Attack of the Killer Queen plays in the background tbh

Same here but with Big Shot and Undertale music wise is Death by Glamour.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I much prefer Chief over DoomGuy. Reason 1 is personal attachment. Reason 2 is all I can think of when I see DoomGuy is over the top blood and gore. Translating that character faithfully into a "kid friendly" game sounds difficult.

Yes yes, Bayonetta, but even with her lewdness toned down she still seems pretty Bayonetta.

Ridley too, but I don't really think of blood and gore when I think of Ridley violence.

I'm not really one to debate over the character though. It isn't up to me. There's plenty of violent characters in Smash with crazy CG trailers so meh. If Sakurai thinks he can represent DOOM faithfully without all that then respect to him. I just prefer Chief.

I mean this might sound stupid, but here's a thought:
Joker had some blood/gore going on with his All Out Attack in Persona 5. In Smash, it's sparkles instead of blood coming out of opponents. So maybe for Doomguy, if we try to work with something on the spectrum of sparkles, maybe have those slashes that come up when you're attacking opponents appear precisely close to one another, and make that color red or something.

 

[Momotsuki]

I would pay [Big] KROMER for some Deltarune representation. Just thinking about it gets me so excited I could [$!$$] myself.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I mean this might sound stupid, but here's a thought:
Joker had some blood/gore going on with his All Out Attack in Persona 5. In Smash, it's sparkles instead of blood coming out of opponents. So maybe for Doomguy, if we try to work with something on the spectrum of sparkles, maybe have those slashes that come up when you're attacking opponents appear precisely close to one another, and make that color red or something.

Idk. Doesn't sound all that interesting. It's the same, but RED!

 

[Megadoomer]

I much prefer Chief over DoomGuy. Reason 1 is personal attachment. Reason 2 is all I can think of when I see DoomGuy is over the top blood and gore. Translating that character faithfully into a "kid friendly" game sounds difficult.

Yes yes, Bayonetta, but even with her lewdness toned down she still seems pretty Bayonetta.

Ridley too, but I don't really think of blood and gore when I think of Ridley violence.

I'm not really one to debate over the character though. It isn't up to me. There's plenty of violent characters in Smash with crazy CG trailers so meh. If Sakurai thinks he can represent DOOM faithfully without all that then respect to him. I just prefer Chief.

If Suda 51 is confident that Travis Touchdown can be toned down and still work in Smash (potential spoilers for No More Heroes 3 in the interview), and characters like Bayonetta or Gray Fox can be toned down and still work for Smash (in Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Gray Fox was slashing people into pieces and turning hallways full of soldiers into a bloody mess - that's clearly not the case when he's summoned as an assist trophy), and characters like Ridley can fight in a brutal way without blood or gore involved, I don't see why it's seemingly impossible for Doomguy to work in Smash. (it seems like how people said that Ridley's too big, and that it's impossible for any developer to scale him down, while ignoring or dismissing any examples where the Smash developers scaled characters up or down)

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I have a question. Did Bethesda told the fans to watch the direct from last week? Because I found this.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

I asked him, but he couldn't find it. Can anyone find the post? Because there was nothing Bethesda related stuff in that direct.

How reliable is this guy?

Doom Slayer's chances has been dashed regardless, it's time to move on.

Also regarding CacoMallow...

WHY. WON'T. YOU. JUST. DIE!!!!!!!

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Maybe that’s the key to getting MK characters in Smash, just do what SNES version of Mortal Kombat 1 did.

“Man Scorpion is destroying Mario; look at all that sweat coming out of him!”

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I mean this might sound stupid, but here's a thought:
Joker had some blood/gore going on with his All Out Attack in Persona 5. In Smash, it's sparkles instead of blood coming out of opponents. So maybe for Doomguy, if we try to work with something on the spectrum of sparkles, maybe have those slashes that come up when you're attacking opponents appear precisely close to one another, and make that color red or something.

Ehhh sparkles seem unneccesary, especially as we already have bloodless moves that are surprisingly brutal while Doom Slayer is also a pretty comical character all things considered, just have his brutality show in his anomations like Ridley's Skewer or Snake's necksnap

 

[Dukefire]

The problem with Doomguy to me is the stage. A stage is good, but hell influence may affect the company's choice. It could be reduced to meet the standards, so I'm fine with it.

WHY. WON'T. YOU. JUST. DIE!!!!!!!

hehehehe

Spoiler: Video

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Seriously though why in the **** is CacoMallow even still a thing being talked about?

 

[SKX31]

Huh, so today I learned that this is apparently Goofy's french name.

EDIT: For the curious, he's "Pateta" over here in Brazil, which is one of a few possible literal translations of Goofy.

Damn it, I keep forgetting to call him Goofy when writing in english since Mickey and Donald have the same name in french.

I'm gonna add another weird Goofy translation: my native Swedish, where he's Långben (Long Legs). Mickey and Donald do have different names in Swedish TBF (as well as the other Nordic languages IIRC) so the risk of accidentally calling Goofy by something else isn't as prominent.

Booba fine.

Prominance Revolt! Prominence-Prominence Revolt! ~Kpshhh~ GAME!

Make it stop.

You forgot the Blazing End spam. (Prominence Revolt is TBF ridicolously unsafe if shielded or missed, you also wanna take advantage of the very little horizontal drift it has. Blazing End is more difficult but rolls do help there. In general, both Pyra's and Mythra's specials are ridicolously unsafe if whiffed.)

Maybe that’s the key to getting MK characters in Smash, just do what SNES version of Mortal Kombat 1 did.

“Man Scorpion is destroying Mario; look at all that sweat coming out of him!”

Scorpion about to join as the characters who help other characters get fit. Only Scorpion's methods are a bit... strange.

 

[CommanderZaktan]

The problem with Doomguy to me is the stage. A stage is good, but hell influence may affect the company's choice. It could be reduced to meet the standards, so I'm fine with it.

Maybe the stage could be either the Fortress of Doom or a UAC facility.

 

[DarkFalcon]

If Suda 51 is confident that Travis Touchdown can be toned down and still work in Smash (potential spoilers for No More Heroes 3 in the interview), and characters like Bayonetta or Gray Fox can be toned down and still work for Smash (in Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes, Gray Fox was slashing people into pieces and turning hallways full of soldiers into a bloody mess - that's clearly not the case when he's summoned as an assist trophy), and characters like Ridley can fight in a brutal way without blood or gore involved, I don't see why it's seemingly impossible for Doomguy to work in Smash. (it seems like saying that Ridley's too big, and that it's impossible for any developer to scale him down)

I never said it was impossible. In fact, read the bottom of my post again. I said if Sakurai can make it work without all that then respect to him. I just think Chief is easier since you don't have to skirt around all that, as blood and gore isn't a core part of what people think about Halo.

 

[AreJay25]

The problem with Doomguy to me is the stage. A stage is good, but hell influence may affect the company's choice. It could be reduced to meet the standards, so I'm fine with it.

I mean a good chunk of the Doom series also takes place on Mars. If Hell is really that big of an issue then that's the next best thing.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Ehhh sparkles seem unneccesary, especially as we already have bloodless moves that are surprisingly brutal while Doom Slayer is also a pretty comical character all things considered, just have his brutality show in his anomations like Ridley's Skewer or Snake's necksnap

Good point.
I'm def on team "He could probably be toned down no problem"
I'm just curious as to whether Sakurai would say something like "It wouldn't be true to his nature, I don't know..." or something.
Given your points, and Mike's example with Suda 51 and Travis, though, maybe Sakurai could make it work and make him adequately true to his home nature.

 

[Dukefire]

Again, I can somewhat say the reason why that leak still has fuel is because of the Last Challenger all or nothing mentality and It's the Spooky Month

Spoiler: Video

 

[ArkSPiTFirE]

I think a Doomguy Mii costume is more likely, if we're talking Bethesda content at this stage. I don't see us getting Wolfenstein or Dishonored content really. So Doom makes sense.

 

[Gengar84]

Here’s something I haven’t seen brought up yet. You know how mature games don’t tend to show the title in the trailer and instead we get “Smash x Dante” or “Smash x Kazuya”? What are they supposed to do with Doomguy? He doesn’t really have a real name and just has the game’s title in his name.

 

[DarkFalcon]

Good point.
I'm def on team "He could probably be toned down no problem"
I'm just curious as to whether Sakurai would say something like "It wouldn't be true to his nature, I don't know..." or something.
Given your points, and Mike's example with Suda 51 and Travis, though, maybe Sakurai could make it work and make him adequately true to his home nature.

I do think Sakurai could make it work, but it does feel like something he'd comment on if he didn't want to do it. (Like Ridley in Brawl or smash 4)

 

[Michael the Spikester]

At this point Doom Slayer feels more like he'd be a mii costume then an actual playable character.

 

[GalacticPetey]

I'm not that familiar with the entire Doom franchise. I know the older games had blood and violence and what not but correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they hyper Mortal Kombat level gore only really start with the 2016. Like he's always been a violent character but do the old games even have something comparable to glory kills?

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Also regarding CacoMallow...

WHY. WON'T. YOU. JUST. DIE!!!!!!!

Nanomachines son.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

On topic of Bethesda
If Vault Boy was a fighter, he could potentially be easier to work with, and stage wise, there are options like the junkyard from Fallout 4.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Tomorrow marks the first day of October. I get that some are speculating characters being spooky since October 5th is the day, but I don't buy it.

Steve was announced in October last year so yeah the date doesn't mean anything.

 

[Megadoomer]

The problem with Doomguy to me is the stage. A stage is good, but hell influence may affect the company's choice. It could be reduced to meet the standards, so I'm fine with it.

Considering that Bayonetta summons demons (and her inclusion in Smash 4 referenced the Gates of Hell by name, so they weren't as picky about it as they were in Melee when Chunky's verse of the DK Rap was changed), and Kazuya turns into a demon, and Doom games also take place on Mars or Earth, I figure they can work around it.

 

[BlondeLombax]

As we creep closer to the big day, I realize that I’m running out of things to ask.

Spoiler: Nevertheless

Would you say that Smash’s full roster has truly made itself complete with in your eyes, or was it alright beforehand?

 

[Dukefire]

Still, any character that has become a Mii costume may be reserved as a fighter in the Smash Bros game.

So, which characters do you think may become a Mii costume for the last Mii cosutme wave 11?

 

[DarkFalcon]

Nobody should take my fighter opinions seriously because my main want for the last fighter is a Dread shill pick. Give me big bird.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I honestly don't get the appeal of Sora.

His design, voice, personality especially the whole "Friendship is my powah!!!!" is just ugh...Comes across as some fangirls gary-stu of a character, also factoring in Kingdom Hearts basically being crossover fanfiction in the form of a video game with poor writing and the premise being just the re-tellings of Disney films with Final Fantasy thrown in.

That's just me though, nothing against anyone whose a fan. I just don't understand.

 

[ArkSPiTFirE]

You forgot the Blazing End spam. (Prominence Revolt is TBF ridicolously unsafe if shielded or missed, you also wanna take advantage of the very little horizontal drift it has. Blazing End is more difficult but rolls do help there. In general, both Pyra's and Mythra's specials are ridicolously unsafe if whiffed.)

Oh I know, but I'm a Hero so half of my stuff has too much end lag to shield it if I haven't been careful. Also I can't Bounce the Blazing End once it starts spinning, and it does that at the ideal range i want to space at. Reee!

 

[AreJay25]

I'm not that familiar with the entire Doom franchise. I know the older games had blood and violence and what not but correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they hyper Mortal Kombat level gore only really start with the 2016. Like he's always been a violent character but do the old games even have something comparable to glory kills?

The older Doom games are much more tame compared to modern Doom. The most gory thing in them really is the mancubus death animation, and it's still nowhere close.

 

[DarkFalcon]

I honestly don't get the appeal of Sora.

His design, voice, personality especially the whole "Friendship is my powah!!!!" is just ugh...Comes across as some fangirls gary-stu of a character, also factoring in Kingdom Hearts basically being crossover fanfiction in the form of a video game along with poor writing.

That's just me though, nothing against anyone whose a fan. I just don't understand.

It's not really something you'd understand unless you grew up with the series.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Give me big bird.

Ok.

 

[CannonStreak]

So, who do you guys want to be the last fighter?

EDIT: 2500 pages, guys!