Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[chocolatejr9]

Back on this real quick, I can’t believe I forgot T-elos

If it makes you feel better, everybody hounded me for forgetting Senran Kagura.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yes, at least in regards to fan-service.
Like it'd be weird if Power Geyser was the final smash and Triple Geyser was the normal super.

It'd also be broken because it's Triple Geyser

 

[7NATOR]

Ryu isn't a Master of Denjin Hadoken I believe, so maybe he's just trying it out in battle, so it's like a Regular move

but he mastered the Shinku Hadoken, so that's why it could be his Final Smash

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Ryu isn't a Master of Denjin Hadoken I believe, so maybe he's just trying it out in battle, so it's like a Regular move

but he mastered the Shinku Hadoken, so that's why it could be his Final Smash

Technically, it's something he only does when managing to control the evil side of the Hado, so it's only done in III and V.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Sakurai POTD.

pic.twitter.com/E92uHr1QcO

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) January 18, 2021

 

[Mamboo07]

Rated M for Mii Costume:

 

[cothero]

The Doujin Leak is my favourite leak (yet to be confirmed) because it shares a huge list of details, schedules and informations.

Responding to 7NATOR question now: yep, this leak is indeed alive.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

The Doujin Leak is my favourite leak (yet to be confirmed) because it shares a huge list of details, schedules and informations.

The Touhou stuff?

 

[chocolatejr9]

Rated M for Mii Costume:
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Oh Spongebob, you never let me down...

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

If you don’t mind me asking, what is the Doujin leak?

 

[Idon]

Ryu isn't a Master of Denjin Hadoken I believe, so maybe he's just trying it out in battle, so it's like a Regular move

but he mastered the Shinku Hadoken, so that's why it could be his Final Smash

You believe wrong. He's got it down pat post SF4. If they were going to reference a "hadoken better than shinku" before SF5, they'd use SF4's Metsu Hadouken. And in SFV, he has to go into a specifiic V-trigger to even use Denjin.

Anyway, Shin Shoryu is an SF3 invention, like Denjin Hadou, so I personally think it'd be a cool parallel.

 

[Mamboo07]

If you don’t mind me asking, what is the Doujin leak?

Same, don't know.

 

[cothero]

If you don’t mind me asking, what is the Doujin leak?

Sorry, couldn't find a better source, it's a LaxChris video, but it explains it all:

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Sorry, couldn't find a better source, it's a LaxChris video, but it explains it all:

i got something better: a powerpoint
Booyah.

Granted it hasn't been updated to account for Sephiroth, but all things considered it seems solid

 

[Greyfox22]

Sakurai POTD.

pic.twitter.com/E92uHr1QcO

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) January 18, 2021

Me trying to see who the fighters are until I remembered the scoreboard in the back....

 

[SharkLord]

If you don’t mind me asking, what is the Doujin leak?

Same, don't know.

If I remember correctly, the doujin leak is a rumor about Reimu getting into Smash, alongside music composed by doujin artists. The guy who "leaked" it got a fair bit of stuff right, but as N3ON pointed out, it seems a bit odd for songs to be composed that far in advance.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Spring Man wasn't the alternate choice. Ninjara was.

He wasn't an alternate choice, he was just considered, and that's not to say that Spring Man wasn't considered, they just didn't say he was one way or the other.

Me trying to see who the fighters are until I remembered the scoreboard in the back....

I just realized the guy is jamming his eyes shut rather than squinting. lol

I know it's for emphasis, but knowing both angles makes the picture even more funny to me so I thought I'd mention it.

 

[Nekoo]

Just putting my late two cents on the Mario Kart vs Nintendo Kart rumour/Debate

I think that having Mario Kart Slowly but surely transition into a Nintendo Kart can only give good into the franchise and I feel is the logical step. Imagine having to develop races upon races in the Mario Universe, we're at how many circuits existing and how many "theme" recycled between games? I think that the Game Designers probably did their best to push the Mario Universe when it comes to the tracks, items and mechanisms (And not the roster because MK8 and MK8D roster without the guests suck poo poo). And I feel that, the decision of having MK8's DLC and having the Inkling joining MK8D, alongside the F-Zero Tracks, AC Tracks, Zelda tracks, vehicle and such was probably a test in the future.
Mario Kart can still be Mario Kart, but having the nintendo side of thing bringing a "fresh wind" for the series, when it comes to Items and track theme.
Maybe have the next Mario Kart, still be a Mario Kart, with Link, Villager, Isabelle, Inkling coming back, FINALLY add Captain Falcon, Kirby, and maybe Sonic&Pac-Man as Guest and that's it.
Have two more cups focused on the guest races, offering new themes and tracks possibilities and voila.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Considering my love for Bullet Hells and Fighting games, I really should consider picking up a Touhou game sometime.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I could also see Nintendo Kart being a spin-off/spiritual successor to Smash.

Lets face it, no Smash game that could come out afterwards will never top Ultimate nor will such a game like it probably won't happen again.

 

[Simplythe1]

Rated M for Mii Costume:
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yep today is not my day :'D

 

[ZelDan]

Honestly, I think it'd be cooler to see Mario Kart try and add way more Wario characters and Donkey kong characters before branching off into different Nintendo properties.

Give us the WarioWare cast
Give us Captain Syrup and maybe some other Warioland characters
Give us Funky back and also add Dixie, Cranky, and K. Rool to join DK and Diddy

Then beyond that, go ahead and bring back the Inklings, Animal Crossing characters, and Link. bring back R.O.B who has been absent in MK since MKDS. Maybe just add only 1 new Nintendo IP, and have it be Kirby, since his cartoony and simple look would work greatly in Mario kart, not to mention Kirby's already used to racing with his warp Star in Kirby Air Ride.

Sounds pretty damn good to me.

 

[DevaAshera]

I like how Capcom basically split the MMX Legacy Collection into the good ones and the bad ones. Truly, a revolution in game compilations.

Well..I mean...Mega Man X8 is a good game..that is a hill I'm willing to die on.

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

I made a post about explaining the doujin leak while ago.

Doujin leak is just saying, "There is a rumor floating around among doujin circles close to ZUN for a while, that blank Koubou, a doujin circle known for their orchestral remixes of Touhou music, is composing some Touhou tracks for Smash." and " due to the amount of tracks (that track list) the leaker has been hearing, they believe that the representation has to be more than just a single Mii costume."
That's it.

Things like Reimu in Smash or her movesets, her stage are all their fantasies. They used the word "fantasy" to relate Touhou, but they were just simply imagining how they wanted to see Touhou representation in Smash with other people in the 5chan thread just like everyone here is doing. They said that they have heard about Reimu moves like in AoCF or something like that but they weren't really sure about those rumors.
Other leaks he made outside of Smash threads were nothing to do with Smash. The leaker is a known one inside Touhou boards.

The leak doesn't say "Reimu comes as a playable fighter", even the leaker themselves were saying they believe playable Reimu only about 70%.
The gists of the leak are 1 the leaker giving a name of doujin circle involves, 2 the leaker has very good track records when it comes to Touhou stuff.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Why are we even talking about that leak, isn't it from like September 2019?

 

[SharkLord]

Why are we even talking about that leak, isn't it from like September 2019?

7NATOR asked if it was dead yet and we're giving our responses

 

[GoodGrief741]

7NATOR asked if it was dead yet and we're giving our responses

Oh well obviously it's dead

 

[Mamboo07]

Honestly, I think it'd be cooler to see Mario Kart try and add way more Wario characters and Donkey kong characters before brnahcing off into different Nintendo properties.

Give us the WarioWare cast
Give us Captain Syrup and maybe some other Warioland characters
Give us Funky back and also add Dixie, Cranky, and K. Rool to join DK and Diddy

Then beyond that, go ahead and bring back the Inklings, Animal Crossing characters, and Link. bring back R.O.B who has been absent in MK since MKDS. Maybe just add only 1 new Nintendo IP, and have it be Kirby, since his cartoony and simple look would work greatly in Mario kart, not to mention Kirby's already used to racing with his warp Star in Kirby Air Ride.

Sounds pretty damn good to me.

Same, if I made a Mario Kart 9, here's who I could add in:

Spoiler: Characters from different series

Donkey Kong Country

• King K. Rool
• Cranky Kong
• Tiny Kong
• Lanky Kong
• Chunky Kong
• Kritter
• Klump
• Krusha
• Lord Fredrik

Yoshi series

• Poochy
• Kamek

Wario Land/Ware

• Captain Syrup
• The Shake King
• Hot Roderick
• Bloomsday
• Rudy the Clown
• Count Cannoli
• Mona
• Jimmy T.
• Ashley
• Dribble & Spitz
• Penny
• 9-Volt

Other Nintendo franchises

• Kirby
• Samus
• Fox Mccloud
• Olimar
• Captain Falcon
• F-Type from Stunt Race
• Excitebiker

 

[cothero]

Oh well obviously it's dead

I guess we'll find that out when the fighters pass is done.

 

[N3ON]

According to that slideshow summary, rumours of Touhou music under work for Smash started in November 2018, before the game was out. Were that the case, we should've seen the character in at least 2019. But now is it not only 2021, but a whole new round of characters have been selected since then.

The timeframe has lapsed to the point of not just being unsubstantiated, but being highly implausible. I mean it has a whole year on Cacomallow.

So yeah, I'd say it's, for all intents and purposes, dead.

 

[Cosmic77]

TBH all I really want for the next Mario Kart are the new additions who were added in Tour (Pauline, Dixie Kong, etc.) and a few more crossover characters in addition to the ones we already have. Kirby and Pokémon would be pretty insane, only because they're the ones I least expect. Realistically, we'd probably get Captain Falcon, Samus, and Fox first.

Aside from that though, I don't really think I care that much about Mario Kart's roster. The tracks have always intrested me more than the characters.

 

[7NATOR]

According to that slideshow summary, rumours of Touhou music under work for Smash started in November 2018, before the game was out. Were that the case, we should've seen the character in at least 2019. But now is it not only 2021, but a whole new round of characters have been selected since then.

The timeframe has lapsed to the point of not just being unsubstantiated, but being highly implausible. I mean it has a whole year on Cacomallow.

So yeah, I'd say it's, for all intents and purposes, dead.

The only thing I could think of is that perhaps the Touhou Music might be some sort of showcase to Nintendo for Reimu in Smash

I Imagine when Nintendo and a 3rd Party company go to negotiate, there is some convincing to do on Both sides, and usually the side that has more to gain has to do the most convincing between the Two

While Touhou is Legendary in Japan and other Asian locations, I don't know if Touhou was a huge priority when it came to Smash DLC. If not, it's possible that Zun and others Might havewanted a little extra convincing on their side, so perhaps besides Thinking of a Moveset document for Reimu, and perhaps besides producing some useful assets like maybe Stage Conceptions, 3D Model, and Design Document, Music Composition could have played a role in trying to convince Nintendo to go through with Reimu in Smash

One of the biggest things about getting 3rd party characters in Smash is that both Nintendo and the 3rd party company have to want their character in Smash. Most companies would be down for a character in Smash, but some want it more and/or willing to compromise with Nintendo. Perhaps if Zun showcases a very Adament attempt of having Reimu in Smash, Nintendo could be more convicned to priotize her for FP2

Of course, it's still not a guarantee. Ubisoft gave Nintendo and the Smash team a Full 3D Model of Rayman, and all Rayman has gotten is a trophy in Smash 4, and a spirit.

 

[N3ON]

The only thing I could think of is that perhaps the Touhou Music might be some sort of showcase to Nintendo for Reimu in Smash

I Imagine when Nintendo and a 3rd Party company go to negotiate, there is some convincing to do on Both sides, and usually the side that has more to gain has to do the most convincing between the Two

While Touhou is Legendary in Japan and other Asian locations, I don't know if Touhou was a huge priority when it came to Smash DLC. If not, it's possible that Zun and others Might havewanted a little extra convincing on their side, so perhaps besides Thinking of a Moveset document for Reimu, and perhaps besides producing some useful assets like maybe Stage Conceptions, 3D Model, and Design Document, Music Composition could have played a role in trying to convince Nintendo to go through with Reimu in Smash

One of the biggest things about getting 3rd party characters in Smash is that both Nintendo and the 3rd party company have to want their character in Smash. Most companies would be down for a character in Smash, but some want it more and/or willing to compromise with Nintendo. Perhaps if Zun showcases a very Adament attempt of having Reimu in Smash, Nintendo could be more convicned to priotize her for FP2

Of course, it's still not a guarantee. Ubisoft gave Nintendo and the Smash team a Full 3D Model of Rayman, and all Rayman has gotten is a trophy in Smash 4, and a spirit.

But peoples' priority shouldn't be brainstorming reasons how it can still be real. It doesn't matter if you want the outcome or not, the goal shouldn't be to try to keep leaks alive as long as possible with increasingly outlandish theories.

The goal should just be to assess whether the leak makes sense and come up with an informed, unbiased conclusion without making up excuses and progressively unwinding more yarn to account for the growing implausibility.

If a leak stops making sense, it's time to drop it. It's not time to do mental gymnastics or invest in minute possibilities to keep it aloft, because most leaks are fake, and the faster we can fairly discard it, the less time we spend tripping over obstacles people plant for us.

Giving a leak undue credence and unnecessarily prolonged attention is exactly what the people who devise them want. When the reasonable explanations are gone, it's time to move on.

 

[7NATOR]

But peoples' priority shouldn't be brainstorming reasons how it can still be real. It doesn't matter if you want the outcome or not, the goal shouldn't be to try to keep leaks alive as long as possible with increasingly outlandish theories.

The goal should just be to assess whether the leak makes sense and come up with an informed, unbiased conclusion without making up excuses and progressively unwinding more yarn to account for the growing implausibility.

If a leak stops making sense, it's time to drop it. It's not time to do mental gymnastics or invest in minute possibilities to keep it aloft, because most leaks are fake, and the faster we can fairly discard it, the less time we spend tripping over obstacles people plant for us.

Giving a leak undue credence and unnecessarily prolonged attention is exactly what the people who devise them want. When the reasonable explanations are gone, it's time to move on.

I don't really believe the leak that much anymore. I just wanted to brainstorm a possible reason it could have been real or something

 

[BlondeLombax]

i got something better: a powerpoint
Booyah.

Granted it hasn't been updated to account for Sephiroth, but all things considered it seems solid

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I've only predominantly seen Touhou content from TF2 Machinima, like music being played in the background, maps based off of the games, and even the characters interacting with the mercenaries and other characters from other games. In retrospect, I can see the span of its popularity. Bring on the shrine maiden, I say!

 

[Vintage Creep]

I could also see Nintendo Kart being a spin-off/spiritual successor to Smash.

Lets face it, no Smash game that could come out afterwards will never top Ultimate nor will such a game like it probably won't happen again.

Same thing everybody says every single time. I expect basically the entire roster or the vast majority of it to come back for Smash 6 actually.

 

[BlondeLombax]

Same thing everybody says every single time. I expect basically the entire roster or the vast majority of it to come back for Smash 6 actually.

That's extremely exciting to me. If that comes to pass, and considering the track record of exponential growth of the newcomer count before Ultimate's base game, just imagine how many new characters we could see in the next game!
Also, we should know that Sakurai likes to change plans practically all the time at this point. Plus, the fact that we got Sephiroth in the wake of memes surrounding Final Fantasy being the butt of many jokes surrounding content, plus the general generosity of every other third-party represented in the game already, I don't think we've got anything to worry about.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That's extremely exciting to me. If that comes to pass, and considering the track record of exponential growth of the newcomer count before Ultimate's base game, just imagine how many new characters we could see in the next game!
Also, we should know that Sakurai likes to change plans practically all the time at this point. Plus, the fact that we got Sephiroth in the wake of memes surrounding Final Fantasy being the butt of many jokes surrounding content, plus the general generosity of every other third-party represented in the game already, I don't think we've got anything to worry about.

It just depends on how well they can make up for the cuts that hurt if they can at all.

 

[Golden Icarus]

I could also see Nintendo Kart being a spin-off/spiritual successor to Smash.

Lets face it, no Smash game that could come out afterwards will never top Ultimate nor will such a game like it probably won't happen again.

I’ve been thinking about that. It would be really interesting if they took the Smash brand and expanded it beyond Smash Brothers. It doesn’t really make sense to use the name ‘Smash’ for anything other than a fighting game, but I’d bet that Super Smash Kart would sell a lot better than Nintendo Kart.

Super Smash Party, Smash Warriors, Smash Golf, Smash Quest...I mean with the amount of Mario and Pokémon spin-offs there are, they might as well start making Smash spin-offs.

Same thing everybody says every single time. I expect basically the entire roster or the vast majority of it to come back for Smash 6 actually.

Literally, just call it Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 2. They could build off of this game for decades if they wanted.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Same thing everybody says every single time. I expect basically the entire roster or the vast majority of it to come back for Smash 6 actually.

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