Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[ShrimpScampi]

Happy International Women's Day!

Here's a fun game, name 10 female characters you want for Smash.

Here are 10 of mine, in no particular order:
1. Estelle Bright (Trails in the Sky)
2. 2B (NieR: Automata)
3. Curly Brace (Cave Story)
4. Junko Enoshima (& Monokuma) (Danganronpa)
5. Velvet Crowe (Tales of Berseria)
6. Shantae (from uhh, Shantae)
7. Kachi (Sin & Punishment: Star Successor)
8. Alicia Melchiott (Valkyria Chronicles)
9. Hat Kid (A Hat in Time)
10 (& 11). Adeleine & Ribbon (Kirby 64)

There was a bit of Falcom talk before so I'm posting this. 40th anniversary of the company.

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Also because I guess that official pic can be kinda fun if used to judge the main options from Falcom. Also, the lack of Kevin surprised me. They're disrespecting Wunderwaft's boy here.

It's crazy how around a year and a half ago, I wouldn't have recognized any of these characters aside from maybe Feena & Reah since the only Ys game I had for a while was Origin. Now, I recognize nearly all of them, and they're some of my favorite video game characters period. But yeah, no Kevin is a bummer, his arc in Sky the 3rd was one of the series' highlights for me.

Also I'm happy they went with Adol's Oath in Felghana design for this artwork. Oath is my favorite pre-party Ys game, and I like the color balance of the green scarf against the red everything else.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Happy International Women's Day!

Here's a fun game, name 10 female characters you want for Smash.

I'll start.

1. Dixie Kong
2. Impa
3. Krystal
4. Chun-Li
5. Terra
6. Arle
7. Reimu
8. Ms. Pac-Man
9. Octoling
10. Lip

1. Midna
2. Dixie Kong
3. Jessie (with James and Meowth)
4. Adeleine (with Ribbon)
5. Reimu
6. Toadette
7. Ms. Pac-Man
8. Hat Kid
9. Dawn or Dawn's ancestor (Legends Sinnoh Trainer)
10. Chell

 

[SpecterFlower]

At this point, all my most wanteds are dead, so I've gotten a new one.

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Estelle gets a kick start!

That being said, I'd rather have Kevin.

Yeah, i've only played a few hours of vesperia but Yuri's my most wanted i believe once he get's deconfirmed i have hayabusa to fall back on.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Happy International Women's Day!

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Here's a fun game, name 10 female characters you want for Smash.

I'll start.

1. Dixie Kong
2. Impa
3. Krystal
4. Chun-Li
5. Terra
6. Arle
7. Reimu
8. Ms. Pac-Man
9. Octoling
10. Lip

1. Dixie Kong
2. Midna
3. Chun Li
4. Amaterasu
5. Arle
6. Reimu
7. Estelle Bright
8. Jill Valentine
9. Lara Croft
10. Coco Bandicoot (Crash echo)

 

[7NATOR]

I'm kinda shocked that No one pointed out that today was the 3 Year anniversary of the Official Reveal of Smash for the Nintendo Switch, in the March Direct

"Insert Inkling Smash Picture here"

 

[SharkLord]

There was a bit of Falcom talk before so I'm posting this. 40th anniversary of the company.

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Also because I guess that official pic can be kinda fun if used to judge the main options from Falcom. Also, the lack of Kevin surprised me. They're disrespecting @Wunderwaft's boy here.

There's a lot more Trails characters than Ys characters; While it seems like Trails is Falcom's baby for the moment, there's also the fact that Ys just doesn't have as many prominent characters. Ys is about fast-paced gameplay and introduces a new cast and setting every game, while Trails is built around narrative and has long, ongoing stories. Though, it wouldn't have hurt to have squeezed Geis or Elena in there too...

The Ys characters here are Adol, Dogi, Feena, Lilia, Reah, Dana, and Aprilis. Adol and Dogi are the only regularly recurring characters, so they're guaranteed. Feena, Reah, and Lilia are from the first two games, released back-to-back. They're ingrained into the identity of the series, even if they've only appeared a handful of times. Dana's the other main character of Ys VIII, making her unique; Most of the time, it's focused on Adol, so Dana's in a unique situation. Plus, Ys VIII is a recent release, and Dana herself is quite popular. Aprilis is a bit of an outlier, as she's from Ys IX, which is very recent. Of course, that's probably the reason why, too; Ys IX is the most recent game, so she gets the focus.

And that concludes my two paragraphs on the cast of Ys.

 

[cashregister9]

There's a lot more Trails characters than Ys characters; While it seems like Trails is Falcom's baby for the moment, there's also the fact that Ys just doesn't have as many prominent characters. Ys is about fast-paced gameplay and introduces a new cast and setting every game, while Trails is built around narrative and has long, ongoing stories. Though, it wouldn't have hurt to have squeezed Geis or Elena in there too...

The Ys characters here are Adol, Dogi, Feena, Lilia, Reah, Dana, and Aprilis. Adol and Dogi are the only regularly recurring characters, so they're guaranteed. Feena, Reah, and Lilia are from the first two games, released back-to-back. They're ingrained into the identity of the series, even if they've only appeared a handful of times. Dana's the other main character of Ys VIII, making her unique; Most of the time, it's focused on Adol, so Dana's in a unique situation. Plus, Ys VIII is a recent release, and Dana herself is quite popular. Aprilis is a bit of an outlier, as she's from Ys IX, which is very recent. Of course, that's probably the reason why, too; Ys IX is the most recent game, so she gets the focus.

And that concludes my two paragraphs on the cast of Ys.

you left one important character out who is in Ys, Trails and Tokyo Xanadu

He is the Glue that binds Falcom together

HE

Mishy

 

[JustPlainDan]

Happy International Women’s Day!

Here's a fun game, name 10 female characters you want for Smash.

1. Dixie Kong
2. Amy Rose
3. Lora Croft
4. Amaterasu
5. Shantae
6. Ms. Pac Man
7. Chun Li
8. Tracer
9. Gardevoir
10. Krystal

 

[SpecterFlower]

Hey just asking i want to either try out YS or Legend of heroes, do i have to play trials of cold steel 1 and 2 before 3?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hey just asking i want to either try out YS or Legend of heroes, do i have to play trials of cold steel 1 and 2 before 3?

Yes, but you kinda have to play 5 games before starting Cold Steel, there's the entire Trails in the Sky trilogy and the Crossbell games. The Crossbell games have never been localized though a fantastic fan translation exists of the first Crossbell game while the second one's almost done. As for Ys, you can honestly start wherever you want but I recommend doing 1 and 2 first

 

[SpecterFlower]

Yes, but you kinda have to play 5 games before starting Cold Steel, there's the entire Trails in the Sky trilogy and the Crossbell games. The Crossbell games have never been localized though a fantastic fan translation exists of the first Crossbell game while the second one's almost done. As for Ys, you can honestly start wherever you want but I recommend doing 1 and 2 first

oh so i have to play all the legend of heroes games?

i'll just do Ys8, most of the games i get are slowly being consolidated to the switch so i'll just get it there.

and wow i really have to play all the games to understand it? even for a JRPG fan that's, intense.

 

[Idon]

oh so i have to play all the legend of heroes games?

i'll just do Ys8, most of the games i get are slowly being consolidated to the switch so i'll just get it there.

and wow i really have to play all the games to understand it? even for a JRPG fan that's, intense.

No, you don't have to do the entire Legend of Heroes games, just the Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky should be where you start as that game is where the entire giant inter connected world begins.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

oh so i have to play all the legend of heroes games?

i'll just do Ys8, most of the games i get are slowly being consolidated to the switch so i'll just get it there.

and wow i really have to play all the games to understand it? even for a JRPG fan that's, intense.

Nah, just all the Trails games, Trails is a Legend of Heroes spinoff officially. Which is a spinoff of Dragon Slayer.

They're all connected and while from what I hear, Cold Steel 1 is very newcomer friendly, Cold Steel 3 and 4 outright have old protagonists pop in the story and do major ****. It's like watching Endgame as your first Marvel movie, you'll be so confused as to what's going on and what everyone's deal is

 

[Mamboo07]

Happy International Women's Day!

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Here's a fun game, name 10 female characters you want for Smash.

I'll start.

1. Dixie Kong
2. Impa
3. Krystal
4. Chun-Li
5. Terra
6. Arle
7. Reimu
8. Ms. Pac-Man
9. Octoling
10. Lip

1. Chun-Li
2. Lara Croft
3. Dixie Kong
4. Chell
5. 2B
6. Medusa
7. Shantae
8. Amaterasu
9. Aya Brea
10. Joanna Dark

 

[Icedragonadam]

Happy International Women's Day!

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Here's a fun game, name 10 female characters you want for Smash.

I'll start.

1. Dixie Kong
2. Impa
3. Krystal
4. Chun-Li
5. Terra
6. Arle
7. Reimu
8. Ms. Pac-Man
9. Octoling
10. Lip

1. Velvet Crowe
2. Blaze The Cat
3. Chun-li
4. Faris Scherwiz
5. Arle Nadja
6. Reimu Hakurei
7. Bernkastel & Lambdadelta
8. Kumatora
9. Agnes or Gloria
10. Sakura Shinguji

 

[SpecterFlower]

Nah, just all the Trails games, Trails is a Legend of Heroes spinoff officially. Which is a spinoff of Dragon Slayer.

They're all connected and while from what I hear, Cold Steel 1 is very newcomer friendly, Cold Steel 3 and 4 outright have old protagonists pop in the story and do major ****. It's like watching Endgame as your first Marvel movie, you'll be so confused as to what's going on and what everyone's deal is

1-3 of **** seems to be 120 hours combined and ToCS 1-4 seem to be around 230 hours combined

huh.

anything else i should know?

Edit: the acronym was censored, im dead.

 

[Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]

Here's a fun game, name 10 female characters you want for Smash.

1. Ring Fit Trainee
2. Chell (Portal)
3. Lip (Panel de Pon/Puzzle League)
4. Sami (Advance Wars)
5. Dixie Kong
6. Tetra
7. Shantae
8. Cadence (Crypt of the NecroDancer)
9. Savvy Stylist
10. Jesse Faden (Control)

I could probably list twenty more just off the top of my head, but I'll stop here for now.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

1-3 of **** seems to be 120 hours combined and ToCS 1-4 seem to be around 230 hours combined

huh.

anything else i should know?

Edit: the acronym was censored, im dead.

The PC versions have a handy dandy speed up feature, making everything 6 times faster, my time through the entire Sky trilogy was about 65 hours, speeding up the attack animations is such a ****ing godsend and keep in mind, I was a very inefficient player who didn't care to learn the depths of the battle system so that's me being a slower player in that regard.

 

[Idon]

1-3 of **** seems to be 120 hours combined and ToCS 1-4 seem to be around 230 hours combined

huh.

anything else i should know?

Edit: the acronym was censored, im dead.

Play Trails from Zero and Trails to Azure. in between the Sky trilogy and the Cold Steel tetralogy.
They are pretty dang important.

 

[SpecterFlower]

The PC versions have a handy dandy speed up feature, making everything 6 times faster, my time through the entire Sky trilogy was about 65 hours, speeding up the attack animations is such a ****ing godsend and keep in mind, I was a very inefficient player who didn't care to learn the depths of the battle system so that's me being a slower player in that regard.

okay thanks

im finishing NieR:AUtomata , Fire Emblem Three Houses , Dragon Quest XI S

replaying xenoblade 2, i also lost my save data for 1 so im replaying that

i got back into vesperia and FF7 and i just bought Bravely default 2

i think I'll just start with Ys8 for now and do trails when i don't have this much on my plate.

Play Trails from Zero and Trails to Azure. in between the Sky trilogy and the Cold Steel tetralogy.
They are pretty dang important.

okay 2 more, i'll remember that, there seems like an infinite amount.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

i think I'll just start with Ys8 for now and do trails when i don't have this much on my plate.

I'll say this, Ys 8 happens to be the longest game in the series, every other game I've played, which is every game except Memories of Celcata, is at least a third shorter

 

[SpecterFlower]

I'll say this, Ys 8 happens to be the longest game in the series, every other game I've played, which is every game except Memories of Celcata, is at least a third shorter

I should've chose a shorter genre to be a fan of.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I should've chose a shorter genre to be a fan of.

Fair enough lmao. Just saying though, Ys 1 and 2 can be beaten in a single weekend if you put enough time into them, everh other game's like 15 hours at most while 8's 40 hours ish from what I can tell

 

[LucKekkai]

oh so i have to play all the legend of heroes games?

i'll just do Ys8, most of the games i get are slowly being consolidated to the switch so i'll just get it there.

and wow i really have to play all the games to understand it? even for a JRPG fan that's, intense.

You don't have to play all of them to understand them. Trails in the Sky First Chapter, Trails from Zero and Trails of Cold Steel 1 are all decent starting points for newcomers. Some have even started with Trails of Cold Steel 3 and went back to the other games.

The reason why people recommend playing them in order is because of things like references and cameos. Sometimes, certain elements of the plot may be directly connected to things that happened in a previous game. For example, Trails from Zero has a plotline with a little girl called Renne that carries over from the Sky trilogy. If you don't know who she is, said plotline may not really have the same impact on you as it does on those who do know who she is. Cold Steel 4 is probably the worst of the Cold Steel games in that it is like a gathering of almost every major character in the series, so if you've never played the Sky/Crossbell games, a lot of things may end up making you go, "Uhhhhh, okay? Moving on then", where as long time fans would be far more excited about those things.

That said, references and cameos can work both ways. Take my avatar, for example. The character in question is one of the main characters in the Sky games, but if you play Cold Steel first, you would know more about him before going into Sky. So you would naturally start wondering why he is present in the Sky games, which is, in and of itself, it's own kind of mystery.

In terms of what games you should play first? Well, I'd love to recommend Trails, but Ys games are typically shorter, and in some ways are easier to get into. So it comes down to how deep your wallet is. If you go with Ys, then Ys 8 is definitely a solid pick, with other titles like Memories of Celceta and Oath in Felghana being some of the other good ones to start with. For Trails, as mentioned before any of the games above are solid starting points(although I'd avoid starting with Cold Steel 3 if you have the option of starting with Cold Steel 1). Just keep in mind that CS4 really does have that issue of "you really should play everything that came before this".

 

[DevaAshera]

I mean, I'm not going to be pissed at any RETURNING FE character. But I will continue to be pissed any time another NEW one is added.

Sorry, but that's foolish. Fire Emblem, like Pokémon, Xenoblade, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Persona, and other such series is one that has a new cast in every new game and is amongst Nintendo's biggest that isn't Mario, Zelda, Pokémon, or Kirby. In order for the newest game to be represented amongst the roster, a new character has to be added. This isn't like Zelda, where Link's design can be changed to match his newest game, or Zelda & Mario, where a new stage represents the newest game fine because the main character is still the same as the past few games, a new FE character has to be added to represent the newest game.

So like I said, you all have to either get over new Fire Emblem characters being added or become okay with not having every character return in the next game in the series. Its a problem that eventually Xenoblade and likely soon Pokémon will have to deal with if we continue having every character return in future entries. Nintendo aren't going to stop adding new reps for these series as long as the series they are from continues to be lucrative for them.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

but Ys games are typically shorter, and in some ways are easier to get into. So it comes down to how deep your wallet is

I think an important thing to add on this is that the Sky trilogy only got fully localized 4 years ago meaning they're still pretty pricey, while Ys has a total of 10 games counting Ys 5 which never got localized and thus is the only game you can't get on Steam, Ys games aren't just shorter, on average, they're much cheaper too.

 

[Pillow]

Sorry, but that's foolish. Fire Emblem, like Pokémon, Xenoblade, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Persona, and other such series is one that has a new cast in every new game and is amongst Nintendo's biggest that isn't Mario, Zelda, Pokémon, or Kirby. In order for the newest game to be represented amongst the roster, a new character has to be added. This isn't like Zelda, where Link's design can be changed to match his newest game, or Zelda & Mario, where a new stage represents the newest game fine because the main character is still the same as the past few games, a new FE character has to be added to represent the newest game.

So like I said, you all have to either get over new Fire Emblem characters being added or become okay with not having every character return in the next game in the series. Its a problem that eventually Xenoblade and likely soon Pokémon will have to deal with if we continue having every character return in future entries. Nintendo aren't going to stop adding new reps for these series as long as the series they are from continues to be lucrative for them.

While I understand it should be expected that we receive a new FE/Pokemon character with every generation, that doesn't mean we have to like it. And I'm saying this as a FE fan. If we're going to get more fantasy anime sword characters, I'd rather we get them from new JRPG series like Tales and Ys, assuming there's only so much room for new characters.

And while we have gotten a new FE character with every game, we only really got one in Ultimate through DLC. If it doesn't line up with a new FE game, I can definitely see us not getting a new FE character with the next installment. Pokemon...yeah that's unavoidable.

 

[LucKekkai]

I think an important thing to add on this is that the Sky trilogy only got fully localized 4 years ago meaning they're still pretty pricey, while Ys has a total of 10 games counting Ys 5 which never got localized and thus is the only game you can't get on Steam, Ys games aren't just shorter, on average, they're much cheaper too.

True, Ys games are typically more affordable as well. BTW, Trails, Ys and some other Falcom games are on sale right now on GOG, to celebrate Falcom's 40th anniversary. >_>

 

[epicmartin7]

Here are projected colors for Fighter 11 now.

 

[Idon]

Here are projected colors for Fighter 11 now.

Dark cyan?
It's time.

 

[SharkLord]

Hey just asking i want to either try out YS or Legend of heroes, do i have to play trials of cold steel 1 and 2 before 3?

With Ys, you can start wherever. They're all pretty episodic, with a new setting and cast in every game. The main focus is on the gameplay, so it's a pretty beginner-friendly series (Minus the tough boss fights). Here's some pointers:

• Ys 1 and 2 absolutely need to be played back-to-back. They take place back-to-back, they play so similar they're practically the same game, they're bought together as a bundle, and there's really no reason not to just play them as if they were one game.
• If you ever want to play Ys VI, you might want to do it before Oath in Felghana or Origin. Ys VI was the first new game in a while, and it's apparent that Falcom was still getting their bearings. Not that it's a bad game, mind you, but it's a lot rougher and the later games made in its style will spoil you.
• You absolutely need to play I and II before Origin. It's a prequel, and heavily leans on callbacks and references towards the first two games. It reuses bosses, key items, and songs, and you'll need to have played I and II to get the full experience.
• If you care about the narrative a lot, you might want to play a couple other games before Ys Seven so you have an idea of what the general Ys formula is like. That game runs on taking those expectations and smashing them to smithereens. If there's any game you need to avoid spoilers for, it's this one.
• To understand what's going on in Ys IX, you'll need to have played at least 1, 2, and 8. If you want the full experience, you'll also need to play 4, 6, and 7, and while you're at it you might as well just binge the entire series. Ys IX pretty much expects you to know what's going on in the series.
• Ys V is slow, stupidly easy, and is the only Ys game to have not ben translated and ported to Steam. You're allowed to skip it and wait for the potential remake.

For Trails, just don't play them out of order. We've been told by the resident Falcom man on a Discord server that if we play them out of order he'll break our legs, and I'd assume that applies to everyone, period. So yeah, just play them in order and you'll be safe. If you don't, Buff Lorax will break into your house and break your knees on behalf of the Falcom trees.

 

[cashregister9]

Here are projected colors for Fighter 11 now.

Orange or blue?

THE FALCOM TRAIN REFUSES TO STOP

 

[DevaAshera]

While I understand it should be expected that we receive a new FE/Pokemon character with every generation, that doesn't mean we have to like it. And I'm saying this as a FE fan. If we're going to get more fantasy anime sword characters, I'd rather we get them from new JRPG series like Tales and Ys, assuming there's only so much room for new characters.

And while we have gotten a new FE character with every game, we only really got one in Ultimate through DLC. If it doesn't line up with a new FE game, I can definitely see us not getting a new FE character with the next installment. Pokemon...yeah that's unavoidable.

Which is why I said we should become more okay with losing some fighters as their relevance fades..like, say, Roy and Chrom for example..and Nintendo definitely needs to start veering away from Marth clones, which I believe is what causes most of the bad reps Fire Emblem and Sword Fighters get in the first place.

We'll definitely get a new Fire Emblem character in the next Smash game, either through DLC or in the Base game, since I'm sure that a new Fire Emblem will be released before then or shortly after.

You're also forgetting about Chrom, who evidently got added due to popularity, into the base game.

And by 'Foolish', I meant being pissed off at new Fire Emblem characters in general when they are expected and one should be more annoyed at keeping older, no longer relevant Fire Emblem reps..like, I love Lucina, she's a fav of mine, but her game has come and gone, she's no longer relevant..and perhaps its time for Lucina, Roy, & Chrom to just become skins for Marth..although the way I'd prefer is actually awfully similar to how Sakurai is doing Echoes when Stacked..IE: Select Marth, choose from Marth, Roy, Lucina, Chrom, each having a subtly different play style, pick one of the colours..doing that alone would cut the amount of Fire Emblem reps we have almost by half.

 

[Idon]

Look I don't care how many FE characters you add.

I want Lyn.

Adding another FE character from the most recent game will not sate me.

Cool for fans of that character!

... But it's not Lyn.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If you don't, Buff Lorax will break into your house and break your knees on behalf of the Falcom trees.

You mean this guy, right?

Sidenote, I played Ys Origins yesterday and that game pulled some awful ****. The most hardest boss in Ys 1? Yeah that ******'s the first boss now

 

[Pillow]

Which is why I said we should become more okay with losing some fighters as their relevance fades..like, say, Roy and Chrom for example..and Nintendo definitely needs to start veering away from Marth clones, which I believe is what causes most of the bad reps Fire Emblem and Sword Fighters get in the first place.

We'll definitely get a new Fire Emblem character in the next Smash game, either through DLC or in the Base game, since I'm sure that a new Fire Emblem will be released before then or shortly after.

You're also forgetting about Chrom, who evidently got added due to popularity, into the base game.

And by 'Foolish', I meant being pissed off at new Fire Emblem characters in general when they are expected and one should be more annoyed at keeping older, no longer relevant Fire Emblem reps..like, I love Lucina, she's a fav of mine, but her game has come and gone, she's no longer relevant..and perhaps its time for Lucina, Roy, & Chrom to just become skins for Marth..although the way I'd prefer is actually awfully similar to how Sakurai is doing Echoes when Stacked..IE: Select Marth, choose from Marth, Roy, Lucina, Chrom, each having a subtly different play style, pick one of the colours..doing that alone would cut the amount of Fire Emblem reps we have almost by half.

Ah, sure yeah. I'm okay with seeing some characters leave, even ones enjoy playing, if it's to make room for new stuff. I agree with your general assessment. The Fire Emblem cast could honestly be cut down to Marth and Robin + whatever the new FE rep is and I would be satisfied. The general skeletons of other FE character movesets could very easily be molded onto other JRPG candidates...like Byleth with Monster Hunter

And no, I didn't forget about Chrom. But I don't really count echos as new fighters...Chrom probably took the least amount of effort of any of them, as they just slapped the existing Chrom model they had from Robin onto Roy's animations.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

And no, I didn't forget about Chrom. But I don't really count echos as new fighters...Chrom probably took the least amount of effort of any of them, as they just slapped the existing Chrom model they had from Robin onto Roy's animations

Chrom had to have his animations changed because Roy uses a reverse grip. Chrom does not however, so they had to change the way he holds the sword for every move and the completely different special move. Had Ken not existed, he'd be the most unique echo of the lot

 

[DarthEnderX]

Sorry, but that's foolish. Fire Emblem, like Pokémon, Xenoblade, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Persona, and other such series is one that has a new cast in every new game and is amongst Nintendo's biggest that isn't Mario, Zelda, Pokémon, or Kirby. In order for the newest game to be represented amongst the roster, a new character has to be added.

EVERY game doesn't NEED to be represented.

If it did, we'd have, like, 20 Zelda characters, 7 F-Zero characters, 2 StarTropics characters and about 100 Mario characters.

So like I said, you all have to either get over new Fire Emblem characters being added or become okay with not having every character return in the next game in the series.

I choose C. Complain forever.

 

[Pillow]

Chrom had to have his animations changed because Roy uses a reverse grip. Chrom does not however, so they had to change the way he holds the sword for every move and the completely different special move. Had Ken not existed, he'd be the most unique echo of the lot

Huh, I didn't know that. At any rate, I still maintain that echoes shouldn't be considered full fighters for the purpose of potential future cuts and such. Changing sword animations is still much less effort than creating a new character entirely.

 

[DevaAshera]

Look I don't care how many FE characters you add.

I want Lyn.

Adding another FE character from the most recent game will not sate me.

Cool for fans of that character!

... But it's not Lyn.

I want Lyn too..heck, I want Eirika too..its just that's part of the problem here..Nintendo (and Sakurai) will tend to go with 'new and relevant' over older ones..though hopefully Lyn's chances will rise as she continues to do well in the Popularity Contests that Fire Emblem Heroes constantly have.

I have the same issue with Pokémon Reps, myself, since my favorite is from Gen 3, Gardevoir, and with the Pokémon characters constantly being either Gen 1 or Newest Gen, I doubt we'd ever get it added as a playable rep and none of the Pokémon reps aside from Mewtwo & Pokémon Trainer really caught my interest.

Ah, sure yeah. I'm okay with seeing some characters leave, even ones enjoy playing, if it's to make room for new stuff. I agree with your general assessment. The Fire Emblem cast could honestly be cut down to Marth and Robin + whatever the new FE rep is and I would be satisfied. The general skeletons of other FE character movesets could very easily be molded onto other JRPG candidates...like Byleth with Monster Hunter

And no, I didn't forget about Chrom. But I don't really count echos as new fighters...Chrom probably took the least amount of effort of any of them, as they just slapped the existing Chrom model they had from Robin onto Roy's animations.

I think that Marth, Ike, Robin, Corrin, & Byleth are fine to say, they all have different enough movesets from one another, and, aside from Ike, represent different aspects of the Fire Emblem series, being Swords, Magic, Dragon Stone, and Weapon Switching/Weapon Triangle & Bow..however, I would like to see at least Corrin and/or Byleth changed to be female as their default so we actually have female reps for the FE series, what with likely losing Lucina..and I think that even with the similar concepts, Byleth & Monster Hunter would play very differently.

I know, but since people count Echoes towards the total FE Rep Count when people complain about 'Too Much FE', I felt he should be counted.

EVERY game doesn't NEED to be represented.

If it did, we'd have, like, 20 Zelda characters, 7 F-Zero characters, 2 StarTropics characters and about 100 Mario characters.

I choose C. Complain forever.

You ignored what I said. One, I said NEW entries in series. Two, I said Zelda can be adequately represented by changing Link's design and/or adding a new stage, Mario can be represented by added a New Stage, etc, as has been done for every single game in the Super Smash Bros series.

Super Smash Bros.
Newest Main Console Mario Game: Super Mario 64
Stage: Peach's Castle, heavily featuring elements from said game
Newest Main Console Zelda Game: Ocarina of Time
Link's Design: Ocarina of Time
Stage: Hyrule Castle based on OoT Beta Castle

Super Smash Bros. Melee
Newest Main Console Mario Game: Super Mario 64
Stage: Princess Peach's Castle based on Super Mario 64's
Newest Main Console Zelda Game: Majora's Mask
Link's Design: Ocarina of Time (due to being Adult Link...Young Link should have been MM though)
Stage: Termina Field from Majora's Mask

Super Smash Bros. Brawl
Newest Main Console Mario Game: Super Mario Sunshine (at time of Design Planning)
Stage: Delfino Plaza from Super Mario Sunshine
Newest Main Console Zelda Game: Twilight Princess
Link's Design: Twilight Princess
Stage: Bridge of Eldin from Twilight Princess

Super Smash Bros. 4
Newest Main Console Mario Game: New Super Mario Bros. U
Stage: Mushroom Kingdom U with Elements of NSMBU
Newest Main Console Zelda Game: Skyward Sword
Link's Design: Twilight Princess (due to Ganondorf not having an Skyward Sword design)
Stage: Skyloft from Skyward Sword

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate
Newest Main Console Mario Game: Super Mario Odyssey
Stage: New Donk City from Super Mario Odyssey
Newest Main Console Zelda Game: Breath of the Wild
Link's Design: Breath of the Wild
Stage: Great Plateau Tower from Breath of the Wild

The main characters of the newest games in the Mario & Zelda series were still Mario & Link, therefore they had proper representation just by keeping those characters playable, Fire Emblem is a different case as each game has a new cast, so to represent the newest game in the series properly, a new character needs to be added, hence why older ones should be dropped to stop roster bloat. Every fighting game does this, cutting older characters to make way for newer characters.

Then you choose to be miserable for no reason..it would be like if I just complained forever about the fact that Bowser Jr, Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, & ROB were added to the game when the first I just dislike as a character and the rest were so obscure or no longer relevant that I felt they were added more for surprises than for anyone actually clamoring for their addition..