Like Shroob said it's 30 hours from now
Liked for the Clone Wars reference tho
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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II
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Liked for the Clone Wars reference tho
ProfPeanut
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It's a little late (and very different) to be tempering expectations during the presentation itself.
In regards to whether it'll be Western or not: While the assumption is pure speculation, it's important to remember just how many Western reps have been shot down over the years for not being famous in Japan.
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Polan
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sakurai is a professional who understands everyone is watching his every word like a hawk. so if he chooses to communicate in a specific way before a reveal then it probably means something.
FirestormNeos
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Wait, what? Could've sworn the video said 7am pt on oct-- oh.
oh, i ****ed up a maths problem on the internet. ohhh nooo... ._.
I can get behind most of what was said plausibly just being hype building for the stream.
The one part I do think is pertinent is in the Japanese tweet when Sakurai says that people may not know the character. And while that, to some extent, is true for almost every character - he doesn't say it every time.
If it was a character like Sora, or a Pokemon, or Waluigi... I don't think that would warrant such a warning. Call it reading too deeply if you want... maybe it is. But that part stands out to me.
The one part I do think is pertinent is in the Japanese tweet when Sakurai says that people may not know the character. And while that, to some extent, is true for almost every character - he doesn't say it every time.
If it was a character like Sora, or a Pokemon, or Waluigi... I don't think that would warrant such a warning. Call it reading too deeply if you want... maybe it is. But that part stands out to me.
7NATOR
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I hate to say it, but now that I looked in the context of the Tweets, I have a thought
If Sakurai only told Japanese Audience they might not know who the character, but didn't do the same for Western fans, then I can see the idea people have brought up that this is a Western Focused character
But he also told people in the West perhaps not really into Smash, but perhaps still into Gaming to watch it anyway, Like they would know the character
If the game/Series the Character is from is more niche in Japan, but is something people are gonna know elsewhere, I got a some guesses
-If the Character is from Western Company, there's good amount that could technically fit. Rayman, League of Legends character, Mortal Kombat character (Scorpion), Even Crash and Master Chief as while they did have success in Japan in the Past (Especially Crash), not the same now
-If it's a Character from a Japanesse Company, There's one main guess I have. Another Sonic Character. Sonic has always been way more niche in Japan than in other Places. Besides the Classic Era, The Last time Sonic games were really successful there was SA1 and SA2. I believe 06 and Unleashed might have sold decently there, but starting with Colors Sonic is not Mainstream like that
I'm telling you guys, I might be winning here. Let's get it
If Sakurai only told Japanese Audience they might not know who the character, but didn't do the same for Western fans, then I can see the idea people have brought up that this is a Western Focused character
But he also told people in the West perhaps not really into Smash, but perhaps still into Gaming to watch it anyway, Like they would know the character
If the game/Series the Character is from is more niche in Japan, but is something people are gonna know elsewhere, I got a some guesses
-If the Character is from Western Company, there's good amount that could technically fit. Rayman, League of Legends character, Mortal Kombat character (Scorpion), Even Crash and Master Chief as while they did have success in Japan in the Past (Especially Crash), not the same now
-If it's a Character from a Japanesse Company, There's one main guess I have. Another Sonic Character. Sonic has always been way more niche in Japan than in other Places. Besides the Classic Era, The Last time Sonic games were really successful there was SA1 and SA2. I believe 06 and Unleashed might have sold decently there, but starting with Colors Sonic is not Mainstream like that
I'm telling you guys, I might be winning here. Let's get it
Bakabridget
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I dont know about league of legends, its true its nowhere near as big in japan as it is elsewhere, it is still the most watched esport there.
Stepheon
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The more I think about it, the more it makes sense as a general “Hey, the final reveal is coming up, don’t miss it! It may not be someone you want, but we hope you enjoy them anyway!”
It seems odd to drum up hype with a tweet that simultaneously is like “Don’t expect much.”
But is that what the tweet is saying? It's merely telling Japanese audiences - "You might not recognize this fighter, but please tune in anyway."
The discrepancy between regions is very difficult to handwave away as mere "hype-building." But hey, as somebody whose MWs are all eastern picks, hopefully you're onto something!
perfectchaos83
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Like I said earlier, I feel people are putting words in Sakurai's mouth and reading far too into it. Sakurai rarely tweets in English to begin with, so this could still be a general tweet, especially since I'm sure he knows his tweets get translated regardless.But is that what the tweet is saying? It's merely telling Japanese audiences - "You might not recognize this fighter, but please tune in anyway."
The discrepancy between regions is very difficult to handwave away as mere "hype-building." But hey, as somebody whose MWs are all eastern picks, hopefully you're onto something!
Kokiden
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I'm actually trying to brainstorm in my mind who actually fits that mold... but no one comes to mind.
I suck at speculating lol.
Stepheon
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That’s what I’m getting at though, could this just be a loose mistranslation? It’s definitely happened in the past and things get taken out of context.But is that what the tweet is saying? It's merely telling Japanese audiences - "You might not recognize this fighter, but please tune in anyway."
The discrepancy between regions is very difficult to handwave away as mere "hype-building." But hey, as somebody whose MWs are all eastern picks, hopefully you're onto something!
It doesn’t help we are all feral for information and have our tinfoil hats on. Something happens and we all immediately and feverishly dissect it like conspiracy theorist.
It just seems strange to tell one audience to basically take it down a notch, while telling a western audience get ready guys. It doesn’t seem like a smart business practice to do that.
In the same vain, if that is the case, why wasn’t it done with other non-Japan centric characters?
The whole thing seems off, and I don’t know entirely what to make of it. I’ll take it with a grain of salt because I think it’s just a general “You’re getting one more character. If it’s not who you thought or wanted it to be, we hope you’ll still enjoy playing with them.”
Kokiden
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I don't think there's anything wrong with people discussing what his words could potentially mean.
This is a speculation thread after all. If we didn't do this, there would be nothing to say lol.
I don't think any of the suggestions so far are that out of reach, so not sure why there is a stop sign being put on this.
People are quite literally interpreting his words exactly as they are: western audience was given one message, the Japanese audience, another. One is hype inducing, the other is trying to let down the audience gently.
Shroob
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We dunno.
Again, no reason to think too hard on this right now.
I will say though, to not get too cut up if it does come to pass and your favorite doesn't make it in, which is something everyone needs to prepare for.
I'm not gonna go reading too much into tweets when the reveal is only a day away and will likely be something completely surprising like always...
...but if it's a west-oriented character not well known in Japan, I kinda wanna say Rayman.
...but if it's a west-oriented character not well known in Japan, I kinda wanna say Rayman.
BlondeLombax
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Let's think about this for a quick moment; was Google Translate a core component in the translation job? It's not so good with perfectly translating non-Latin-originating languages.
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Shroob
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No, it was PushDustin, who's pretty much a professional translator.
Here's the translation again because the thread is moving fast
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— Will (PushDustIn) (@PushDustIn) October 4, 2021
You may not know the new fighter, or it might be different from your personal expectations.
BUT, we hope you enjoy this game show and the broadcast itself! I really enjoyed recording the broadcast.
[2/2]
BlondeLombax
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Ah, it's always the ones you've known for years, but never expect because you're out of the loop more than you think...
On another, completely out of nowhere note, it seems like the Prankening has finally fully subsided... for now...
FirestormNeos
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Watch the music they play in the trailer be somethin Definitively-not-from-a-video-game like Bring Me to Life or Big Iron or The Monster Mash or a cover of one of those Nickelback songs that I hear so many terrible things about but have never actually heard or bothered to listen to but can probably imagine what it sounds like, preventing any of us from being able to figure out the character through music cues.
69 Quadrillion IQ Troll.
69 Quadrillion IQ Troll.
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Kokiden
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This might not mean much, but as someone who can read Japanese, it's not far off the mark this time with its core message.
Stepheon
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Is that true?
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If it is intended to be a hint, I'd say it's either someone really old...or really regional.
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Shroob
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Even though it'll be drowned out, I think it needs to be said that
This is the final character, there's no more after this, and if you're riding high on the idea of a single character getting in for certain, get off that ride before you crash and burn.
It's better to go into things with a more cautionary belief than putting all your chips in a single basket, because when you inevitably crash and burn, you'll only have yourself to blame for feeling the way you do.
However, see above. Don't go all doom and gloom, but 100% brace for disappointment. No one single character is guaranteed to get in, and if a character getting in or not is really causing you distress, take a step back for a bit.
This is the final character, there's no more after this, and if you're riding high on the idea of a single character getting in for certain, get off that ride before you crash and burn.
It's better to go into things with a more cautionary belief than putting all your chips in a single basket, because when you inevitably crash and burn, you'll only have yourself to blame for feeling the way you do.
Yes, PushDustin lives in Japan and works as a translator, even being basically the one who translates many of Sakurai's interviews and has helped the Smash community break the language barrier.
However, see above. Don't go all doom and gloom, but 100% brace for disappointment. No one single character is guaranteed to get in, and if a character getting in or not is really causing you distress, take a step back for a bit.
BlondeLombax
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Here we are, a little over 24 hours near the end of it all, waiting for this whole thing to end and arguing over the creator's words...
And I'm just here, crudely recreating the Spaceship scene in the LEGO Movie as a storyboard for a college class...
I freakin' love you people.
And I'm just here, crudely recreating the Spaceship scene in the LEGO Movie as a storyboard for a college class...
I freakin' love you people.
Also, don't put others down for hoping for a character that conflicts with yours, whether it be due to likelihood, gameplay, artstyle, ad infinitum; it just makes you look like a jerk.
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7NATOR
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I can't help it Shroob. I'm willing to Crash and Burn, even Record it on video . But with everything coming together, including the Recent Sakurai tweet directed at Japan, I'm going 100% on The Ultimate Lifeform being CP11.
I'm still not gonna believe it with my eyes if it turns out true, because I lived in this Reality for almost 20 years where Shadow wasn't playable in Smash Officially, and only be a thing in Mods, Fangames, or my Dreams. I also know that it's very likely for me to be wrong since there are so many characters out there and such, but I feel like If I don't go all in this time, I'm not being true to myself. I've posted about this character for 3 years now, Since Ultimate is really my first speculation cycle, and he's also the character I'm the most invested in getting in since he's my Most wanted.
If I Die, I rather Die hyping than Die cautious, cause I'm living when I'm hyping
Stepheon
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Ahh, that is telling. I knew vaguely of him just from Smash Speculation over the years.
I am fully prepared for disappointment. I knew that going into all of this. I’ll live. This isn’t my 13th reason. I’ll still get whoever the character is.
I just really, really want Sora, and I feel like it’s now or never with him.
Shroob
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I'm more directing this towards people who seemingly are distressed by these tweets and are trying to rationalize how this could just be "A mistranslation".
BlondeLombax
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I'm just imagining the inevitable sheer amount of "NO"s and such in the chat during the splash screen, and I can't stop giggling because I was reminded of this;
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Pillow
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Damn Sakurai with the western bias as usual. Give me Hatsune Miku you coward!
...Doom Slayer would be pretty cool too though.
...Doom Slayer would be pretty cool too though.
So now Sakurai has a western bias?
I could've sworn it was a bias against the west a few years ago.
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BlondeLombax
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God, I remember that whole debacle. One particular user on Youtube acted like Sakurai murdered someone close to them in cold blood, they despised pretty much every choice made in those days.
Hydreigonfan01
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Spyro, Rayman and Crash Bandicoot.
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Smash fans when Sakurai doesn't negotiate with a company that primarily speaks in a foreign language
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BlondeLombax
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Ironically the specific individual I'm referring to was explicitly livid about first party characters demanded by the west, like Ridley or King K. Whenever you watched a video with even a pip about Ridley, he'd be there, blatantly insulting Sakurai as if he were his mortal enemy (a bit like those "unknown rival" type characters that get on the rest of the cast's nerves).
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If the tweets truly are a signal to the Japanese audience that it’s someone they aren’t familiar with, and that it is a character more centered toward the west, I’m thinking it Doom Guy.
Apparently that series isn’t wildly popular in Japan, so a lot of players wouldn’t know who he is.
Hydreigonfan01
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There's a lot of western characters that aren't well known in Japan aside from Doom Guy though. Master Chief, Scorpion/Sub-Zero, Rayman, Assassin's Creed, Lara Croft, Arthur from Red Dead Redemption, Gordon Freeman etc.
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Shroob
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Yeah, Doom Guy's just one of many.
I could 100% see Doom Guy no doubt, but I could also see Master Chief, or any of the other mentioned above tbh.
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Oh I know, I was thinking it could be Master Chief as well. Although apparently Halo is popular enough in Japan. Halo 3 at least from what I’m reading.
I can’t say I’m happy about it, but I know Master Chief or Doom Guy would both be massive additions to the roster. Especially for a western audience.
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