Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Mapusaurus]

A lot of girls enjoy media aimed towards adult men, same with vice versa.

You're being silly by claiming that people can't be into same things just because age and gender difference.

Ahh yes, the infamous bronys

 

[Rie Sonomura]

If you think grown men and little girls are into the samethings then you're just being silly.

my dude have you not seen the internet? Guys like MLP and girls like Marvel/DC, maybe not for the same reasons as their intended audiences but still

 

[ARandomFruit]

Man, I dunno why people want Alph as a new Pikmin rep when we have the clear, totally unbias and perfect rep right here:

(Might be a joke. Haven't decided yet)

 

[Louie G.]

On the topic of coolness, who would you say is the coolest character in smash? I think sephiroth is pretty slick but I would give it to snake.

Would probably have to go to Mewtwo for me. Meta Knight is up there too, along with the good Captain himself.

I'm sure someone's gonna dispute you on the latter descriptor.

LOL I was referring to a different kind of cute - like Chorus Kids or Arle. I absolutely do think Chun-Li is cute, just for different reasons.

 

[Flyboy]

Imagine thinking Chun-Li isn't cool. She was a Power Ranger!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Guys like MLP...maybe not for the same reasons as their intended audiences but still

...phrasing?

Mmmmmmmmnope! Nope! Didn't need that image.

 

[osby]

I love how we're arguing whether or not people can consume media that's not primarily aiming their demographic... in a forum about a children's party game.

Some people in here really can use a bit more self-awareness.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Some people just have way too slim of a definition of cool.

Source

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Some people just have way too slim of a definition of cool.

Source

this is the most wholesome thing i've ever seen and i needed this

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I love how we're arguing whether or not people can consume media that's not primarily aiming their demographic... in a forum about a children's party game.

Some people in here really can use a bit more self-awareness.

Hey! It's rated E10+. TEN! PLUS! It's not just for kids!

I, however, am still too young, as mentally, I am 5.

Imagine thinking Chun-Li isn't cool. She was a Power Ranger!

OK that's freaking cool. We need more Crossover Rangers.

 

[Garteam]

I wouldn't be opposed to more female villains in principle, but I think it's kinda telling that most characters who are being brought up for that role are either unfeasible as a fighter (Mother Brain, Carmilla, etc.) or are relatively minor in the grand scheme in their series (Suzie, Lusamine, etc.). The only three I think could really be added organically are Medusa, Gruntilda, and Dr. Coyle, but I don't see another Kid Icarus or Banjo-Kazooie character coming anytime soon, while ARMS has at least 3 or 4 fighters that would most likely need to be added before Coyle could be a realistic option.

I think the issue is that Nintendo (and I guess gaming as a whole) needs more female villains, who could then be translated into Smash. I'm definitely down for more female baddies, but I'd want their inclusion to feel somewhat genuine and not like they're being included to check off a box.

Then again, Fire Emblem: Three Houses balanced having female antagonists very well seeing how:

Spoiler

Edelgard is the main villain for Azure Moon and is the most prolific villain for Verdant Wind and Silver Snow, while Rhea is the main antagonist for Crimson Flower...

...so maybe there's hope for future, Smash-worthy female villains in the future?

 

[GoodGrief741]

I see we're debating the definition of coolness

Why are we doing that? We even have official confirmation that Sakurai tries to balance "cool" characters with "cute" ones, so a character doesn't have to be cool to get in.

So, who are you guys wanting or expecting to get into Smash Bros. Ultimate?

By the way, on an unrelated note, today is my birthday!

Happy birthday!

 

[Momotsuki]

Will forever be annoyed at how many people in the community only root for characters with a "cool" factor, and how that cool factor is usually just uber macho characters. Not enough room for silly and cute... not that Chun-Li is even that. It's just an issue that goes way further than this one instance and has made it more of an uphill battle supporting some of my personal MWs.

She's about as badass as a character can be, the only difference compared to Ryu or Heihachi being that she's a woman. So make of that what you will.

I am a staunch supporter of the rule of cool and I think there are many types of cool. Steve and Sephiroth for example. They could not be more different and yet are both firm adherents to the rule of cool, the most important rule regarding whether an inclusion is good or not. Chun-Li adheres to the rule of cool as well, for different reasons than the two fighters I have mentioned, but equally valid ones.

 

[SharkLord]

I wouldn't be opposed to more female villains in principle, but I think it's kinda telling that most characters who are being brought up for that role are either unfeasible as a fighter (Mother Brain, Carmilla, etc.) or are relatively minor in the grand scheme in their series (Suzie, Lusamine, etc.). The only two I think could really be added organically are Medusa, Gruntilda, and Dr. Coyle, but I don't see another Kid Icarus or Banjo-Kazooie character coming anytime soon, while ARMS has at least 3 or 4 fighters that would most likely need to be added before Coyle could be a realistic option.

I think the issue is that Nintendo (and I guess gaming as a whole) needs more female villains, who could then be translated into Smash. I'm definitely down for more female baddies, but I'd want their inclusion to feel somewhat genuine and not like they're being included to check off a box.

Then again, Fire Emblem: Three Houses balanced having female antagonists very well seeing how:

Spoiler

Edelgard is the main villain for Azure Moon and is the most prolific villain for Verdant Wind and Silver Snow, while Rhea is the main antagonist for Crimson Flower...

...so maybe there's hope for future, Smash-worthy female villains in the future?

Edelgard would be the most evil villain in Smash because she would the one who would make us sit through a hundred pages of Three Houses debates if she got in and I don't think I'm ready for that

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

On the topic of coolness, who would you say is the coolest character in smash? I think sephiroth is pretty slick but I would give it to snake.

To answer your question seriously, I'd say Wolf.

Were I to pick a top 5, it'd probably be Wolf, Incineroar, Sephiroth, Ridley, and Bowser. (EDIT: The order is a bit murky beyond Wolf)

Huh, all antagonists (though Incineroar is only an antagonist on a technicality).

Edelgard would be the most evil villain in Smash because she would the one who would make us sit through a hundred pages of Three Houses debates if she got in and I don't think I'm ready for that

But if Edelgard and Vergil were to both get in, then we'd have "The crests are to blame!" "My family crest is a DEMON OF DEAAAAATH!!!" memes.

Silver linings ya know?

 

[Garteam]

Edelgard would be the most evil villain in Smash because she would the one who would make us sit through a hundred pages of Three Houses debates if she got in and I don't think I'm ready for that

People can say all Byleth is boring all they want, but his inclusion stopped the absolutely nuclear flame wars that would have occurred had Edelgard or Dimitri gotten in, so he's clearly a worthwhile addition.

 

[CannonStreak]

Happy birthday!

Happy Birthday!

Happy birthday!

Thanks, guys! I already beat and unlocked Sephiroth in the Sephiroth challenge mode!

 

[SharkLord]

People can say all Byleth is boring all they want, but his inclusion stopped the absolutely nuclear flame wars that would have occurred had Edelgard or Dimitri gotten in, so he's clearly a worthwhile addition.

Yeah, the problem with the multiple house leaders is that choosing one sets off fans of the other. Byleth's the only neutral choice.

Unless...

Spoiler

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Edelgard would be the most evil villain in Smash because she would the one who would make us sit through a hundred pages of Three Houses debates if she got in and I don't think I'm ready for that

Rhea would be more evil because it'd start horny talk again.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Yeah, the problem with the multiple house leaders is that choosing one sets off fans of the other. Byleth's the only neutral choice.

Unless...

Spoiler

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That's not the neutral choice.

That's the golden ending choice.

 

[PeridotGX]

regice is pretty cool. he's like -320 degrees.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

What do you guys make of this? Agree or disagree? He assumes we might at the very least get a Retro pick.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

What do you guys make of this? Agree or disagree? He assumes we might at the very least get a Retro pick.

I see Elma in dat thumbnail tho u can't fool me i know that's her silhouette

 

[SNEKeater]

This is something I've basically come to accept. In the end, hell, I just love fighting games, and I especially love Guilty Gear. My hope is that, much like Sephiroth, the characters I love can win people over with their trailers. I mean you can't tell me a Sol trailer with him fighting Galleom and turning into his Dragon Install form as this plays wouldn't win someone over even if they're unfamiliar with the character:

Nightmare is easy enough - have him face Link. Same with Raphael if they wanted a surprising fighter. It sucks that Heihachi isn't gonna be in the pass; he was one of my most-wanted, but he's a cool old man so it's easy enough to make him stand out. Chun-Li is iconic, have her kick some threats away and hit us with that sweet SFV music and you can sell people. And hey, it's a super long-shot, but you can't tell me someone like Fulgore wouldn't be cool enough.

I love how Terry has won people over. I got super frustrated when he got leaked and people didn't know, didn't care, or were hostile towards him. But at the end of the day, I want characters to make me happy, so if FGC characters do that for me I'm not gonna let others take that away from me. But my favorite thing to see is people who may not be familiar with a character get won over. That's the magic of Smash.

Yeah, you're totally right. At this point I don't take into much consideration what people thinks about my most wanteds. Obviously it sucks when people are hostile towards the character you love, for that reason I don't act like an asshole when Smash puts characters that don't make me crazy, like Steve, because I respect his fans and I can see the merits of said character to be in Smash.

A reveal involving Sol Badguy would be pretty hype, or at least, that's how it should be. Hype Guilty Gear music in the background would be enough to convince some people unfamiliar with Sol.

regice is pretty cool. he's like -320 degrees.
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Where's Regigigas?

 

[Cyberfire]

What do you guys make of this? Agree or disagree? He assumes we might at the very least get a Retro pick.

A retro rep lines up with the Backsteat Game Dev (the Smash math guy). The highlights are Sephiroth.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Where's Regigigas?

Off in Gamefreak's headquarters trying to get Regice's name changed to Regiice so as not to disrupt the balance of the universe.

EDIT: It's been years and very little progress has been made. I fear we may not have much time left.

 

[Momentary]

However the Sephiroth in smash is the original one. Not the 7R one.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

What do you guys make of this? Agree or disagree? He assumes we might at the very least get a Retro pick.

He's trying to make patterns where there aren't any yet.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Off in Gamefreak's headquarters trying to get Regice's name changed to Regiice so as not to disrupt the balance of the universe.

This is why Game Freak gave him Slow Start.

 

[Momentary]

he also has the idea that ff7 music was held back because they were planning Sephiroth when it was just a hassle to get a lot of songs in ff7

 

[Faso115]

He's trying to make patterns where there aren't any yet.

Granted, we tend to do the same thing so who is really in the wrong here

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

The coolest thing ever is a woman who can kick my ass.

No, but really. Kinda cringe that something would be considered “not cool” by virtue of a being a character representing 50% of the population.

Ryu from Streets, who punches people and shoots fireballs from his hand is cool. Chun-Li from Streets, who rapid-fire kicks people, is not.

Like, is Tifa not cool because Sephiroth and Cloud have swords?

I get gender stereotypes but yikes, bros. Imagine thinking my future daughter couldn’t think Chun-Li or Lucina is cool because they’re girls.

Sorry, I’m gonna go play my wacky wahoo fighting game.

Also if you don’t dab on the haters then you’re uncool and I hate you.

Being a “grown man”, I think, comes down to not actually caring about what other people think about your interests and being comfortable with who you are. Not arbitrarily deciding that things that make you uncomfortable are not “cool”.

 

[Momentary]

So why do we think the Monster Hunter Mii's are taking so long?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Like, is Tifa not cool because Sephiroth and Cloud have swords?

This can be taken two ways and both are equally funny.

I'm sure that was intentional, but I still think it's worth pointing out.

 

[Momentary]

Sonic and Megaman had content base game and their mii's came back relatively fast. Its especially weird considering Megaman is also Capcom and Rathalos is a whole boss.

Edit: This isn't like Namco IMO either where their Mii's came back second wave because, unlike Capcom. They didnt have a presence at all the first pass.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

This can be taken two ways and both are equally funny.

I'm sure that was intentional, but I still think it's worth pointing out.

Your mind.

It must be removed from the gutter, immediately.

 

[TheTuninator]

Hold on, why are we talking about Edelgard in a conversation about including female villains in Smash?

 

[SpecterFlower]

What do you guys make of this? Agree or disagree? He assumes we might at the very least get a Retro pick.

the argument is that since sephiroth is a villain we will get more villains is really dumb, since the fighters as characters were all decided around the same time they are going to be diverse in variety between characters, i doubt we will get anymore villains unless FP3 is a thing.

 

[Koopaul]

I think I said it on another forums, but getting a DLC fighter of a certain kind doesn't increase the chances of getting something similar. It decreases them.

We have 3 fighters left. The odds of them being another villian are slim.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Hold on, why are we talking about Edelgard in a conversation about including female villains in Smash?

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