Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Noipoi]

Did you not see the discourse caused by the reveal of Pyra/Mythra and their boobs?

It was less the fact that they were women and more that some people don’t like their

exaggerated

designs

 

[N3ON]

Sephiroth gets a free pass.


He's hot.


Everyone knows you're free to commit atrocities if you're a hot anime character.

Have you never image searched Edelgard

Well, I won't spoil the surprise

 

[Mamboo07]

Wasn't this the fanbase that really really wanted that parent-murdering space dragon and celebrated shirtless meteor man?

I didn't think the ethics of fictional characters was a big concern to us.

Yes.

 

[Shroob]

Have you never image searched Edelgard

Well, I won't spoil the surprise

I have

Why am I only getting images of famous facist dictators?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

No it was from all those people playing his game, lol.

It's an honor to meet you, Lord Eliwood!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Did you not see the discourse caused by the reveal of Pyra/Mythra and their boobs?

It's because they're anime boobs.

If it was Lara Croft, people would've celebrated in horniness.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Wasn't this the fanbase that really really wanted that parent-murdering space dragon and celebrated shirtless meteor man?

I didn't think the ethics of fictional characters was a big concern to us.

What? Ethics is a huge concern!


When the story is also concerned with it.

 

[DarkFalcon]

XC2 is one of my favorite games ever. I also happen to like anime boobs. Win win for me.

 

[Mamboo07]

Yes?

That was more due to how fanservice-y Xenoblade can be, and people not liking their sexualized designs, also, jiggle physics in an E+10 rated game.

And that was only the second game.

Have you seen that snow rabbit girl with ice powers? Look up her design.

 

[walugurl]

The craziest part is that Fire Emblem is still lacking characters.
As long as Lyn isn't in, there will always be a large gaping hole to be filled!
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I guess you don’t count assist trophies as representation for the franchise?

 

[CannonStreak]

To me, anime boobs are so overrated, regardless of how attractive they are, and so is fan-service overall.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wasn't this the fanbase that really really wanted that parent-murdering space dragon and celebrated shirtless meteor man?

I didn't think the ethics of fictional characters was a big concern to us.

For me personally?

I don't like Edelgard because I find the game (and the fandom) excuses her bad behavior too much.

Ridley and Sephiroth are inarguably evil, but they're portrayed as evil. No one is gonna try to justify their actions. We love to hate them and see them lose. The game doesn't want us to cheer them on.

Edelgard gets away with crimes I feel she shouldn't get away with and doesn't even feel guilty for committing them. I find her to be a nice morally gray villain, but a trash tier hero. Cheering her on is very hard for me.

Some aspects of morality shouldn't be compromised imo.

That's just my two cents.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That was more due to how fanservice-y Xenoblade can be, and people not liking their sexualized designs, also, jiggle physics in an E+10 rated game.

I think it's funny how Pyra/Mythra got away with jiggle physics (however minor), but Zero Suit Samus had to get her bust size reduced, and the same had to happen with Snake's butt.

And that was only the second game.

Counterpoint: Sharla.

EDIT: Also that Ganglion lady in Xenoblade Chronicles X who was introduced with a butt shot followed by a boob shot.

 

[DuskFleur]

It's because they're anime boobs.

If it was Lara Croft, people would've celebrated in horniness.

Unfortunately true. I’m starting to think that the western Smash fan base’s adoration for more western characters (especially Banjo) and hatred of “anime” characters is rooted in racism towards Japan. Do they forget who directs, develops, and publishes the ****ing games? Oh yeah, A JAPANESE MAN AND SEVERAL JAPANESE COMPANIES!

 

[CannonStreak]

It's because they're anime boobs.

If it was Lara Croft, people would've celebrated in horniness.

And they'd be going to horny jail for sure.

 

[Shroob]

Unfortunately true. I’m starting to think that the western Smash fan base’s adoration for more western characters (especially Banjo) and hatred of “anime” characters is rooted in racism towards Japan. Do they forget who directs, develops, and publishes the ****ing games? Oh yeah, A JAPANESE MAN AND SEVERAL JAPANESE COMPANIES!

How in the blue hell did we jump all the way straight to claiming racism?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

For me personally?

I don't like Edelgard because I find the game (and the fandom) excuses her bad behavior too much.

Ridley and Sephiroth are inarguably evil, but they're portrayed as evil. No one is gonna try to justify their actions. We love to hate them and see them lose. The game doesn't want us to cheer them on.

Edelgard gets away with crimes I feel she shouldn't get away with and doesn't even feel guilty for committing them. I find her to be a nice morally gray villain, but a trash tier hero.

Some aspects of morality shouldn't be compromised imo.

That's just my two cents.

Being fair, she's still a lesser evil compared to Rhea keeping the nations under check with an imbalanced system that screws over anyone who doesn't have the blood of the siblings she's lost (look no further than Mikhail being disowned just because he didn't have a Crest while Sylvain did, among other examples), while also handing out the skeletal remains of said siblings to those who do as special weapons or how every single one of Rhea's actions are rooted in a selfish desire to bring back Sothis because she can't deal with the fact that she lost her mother, even a thousand years later

Still doesn't excuse her war crimes, no, but her motives behind them are more than justified.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Unfortunately true. I’m starting to think that the western Smash fan base’s adoration for more western characters (especially Banjo) and hatred of “anime” characters is rooted in racism towards Japan. Do they forget who directs, develops, and publishes the ****ing games? Oh yeah, A JAPANESE MAN AND SEVERAL JAPANESE COMPANIES!

There is definitely some of that going around, but at the same time it's a bad idea to generalize things like this.

Call it out when you see it but... there isn't any of that happening right now.

 

[Opossum]

I firmly believe that Edelgard's rule and the subsequent ending is over all the best ending of the four for Fódlan in the long term but I also feel like the thread isn't ready for that conversation.

 

[chocolatejr9]

And that was only the second game.

Have you seen that snow rabbit girl with ice powers? Look up her design.

Actually, a lot of Monolith Soft's games have fanservice.

 

[DarkFalcon]

For me personally?

I don't like Edelgard because I find the game (and the fandom) excuses her bad behavior too much.

Ridley and Sephiroth are inarguably evil, but they're portrayed as evil. No one is gonna try to justify their actions. We love to hate them and see them lose. The game doesn't want us to cheer them on.

Edelgard gets away with crimes I feel she shouldn't get away with and doesn't even feel guilty for committing them. I find her to be a nice morally gray villain, but a trash tier hero. Cheering her on is very hard for me.

Some aspects of morality shouldn't be compromised imo.

That's just my two cents.

I think the game tries to make it a point to make you think what is right or wrong. People come to different conclusions and that's ok. The problems start to rise up when people assume how you are as a person because of what you believe is right or wrong from a video game.

 

[N3ON]

I have

Why am I only getting images of famous facist dictators?

Like M. Bison and Eggman, or just ones we don't ask for for Smash?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I’m just saying X isn’t free of fan service either

the no-armor outfits were WAY racier in the Japanese version

then you got True Form Elma and her see through outfit

and then… Lin’s Japanese swimsuit armors had to be censored for the west. Given she’s only 13, this is totally justified

trust me, the JP versions were really bad

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I think the game tries to make it a point to make you think what is right or wrong. People come to different conclusions and that's ok. The problems start to rise up when people assume how you are as a person because of what you believe is right or wrong from a video game.

Yeah, it's all about the choices you make and the decisions you do, so it comes from your perspective. However, that's no excuse for any Edelgard hater to call her Stalin reincarnated or whatever bull**** they say,

With that said, I disagree about her being a great villain. She's terrible in Dimitri's route.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I think the game tries to make it a point to make you think what is right or wrong. People come to different conclusions and that's ok. The problems start to rise up when people assume how you are as a person because of what you believe is right or wrong from a video game.

For sure. I love the game because of the points it raises.

And also agreed. Even if I dislike Edelgard, I have no qualms with Edelgard fans. That's the one big issue with the fandom right now. Assuming people's character from a view on a fictional game.

 

[SneakyLink]

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Joker's reveal is being celebrated by the Smash Bros JP Twitter. I can't believe it's been nearly 3 years since his reveal.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Unfortunately true. I’m starting to think that the western Smash fan base’s adoration for more western characters (especially Banjo) and hatred of “anime” characters is rooted in racism towards Japan. Do they forget who directs, develops, and publishes the ****ing games? Oh yeah, A JAPANESE MAN AND SEVERAL JAPANESE COMPANIES!

Hey Resetera called, they want their take back

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If anything, the fact that none of the houses are moral shining beacons is what makes them appealing.

There's no obvious "good" route like how Fates would've actively tried to drive you away from Nohr if it wasn't for Camilla having boobies.

 

[DuskFleur]

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How in the blue hell did we jump all the way straight to claiming racism?

Because it’s the truth. It’s a VERY consistent trend. “Anything from Japan, especially “anime”, is bad, and anything Western, especially Banjo and Crash styled toons, are good.” The vocal part of the western fan base’s views can be summed up in those words.

 

[Noipoi]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Joker's reveal is being celebrated by the Smash Bros JP Twitter. I can't believe it's been nearly 3 years since his reveal.

December 2018:

I won’t watch The Game Awards, there won’t be anything.

…

Why’s everybody yelling?


December 2019:

Even though I’ve got an awful cold and feel like **** and need to rest, I’m gonna stay up to watch the game awards cuz I KNOW there’s gonna be smash!

…

…

 

[Shroob]

Because it’s the truth. It’s a VERY consistent trend. “Anything from Japan, especially “anime”, is bad, and anything Western, especially Banjo and Crash styled toons, are good.” The vocal part of the western fan base’s views can be summed up in those words.

This is pants on head dumb.



You do realize that it's okay for people to have different tastes, right? You do realize that people who come from different livelihoods, regions, etc will have different tastes, right? You do realize that some things that are 'the norm' in America wouldn't fly in Japan and vice versa, right?


Do you think that maybe people in the west want more western characters in Smash, because they like those characters, and not because they're secretly racist against the Japanese? Like, if they were, why oh why would they be buying Nintendo products, a Japanese company?



Am I racist for finding excessive fanservice and lolicon disgusting?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

If anything, the fact that none of the houses are moral shining beacons is what makes them appealing.

There's no obvious "good" route like how Fates would've actively tried to drive you away from Nohr if it wasn't for Camilla having boobies.

I mean... what are the Golden Deer's biggest crimes?

Aside from war crimes which everyone does, what do they do?


As for Fates, yeah, could have been really great with some minor tweaking. I do appreciate that the Nohr siblings feel more like Corrin's family then the Hoshido ones. The chemistry of the five together just felt more natural to me.

 

[HYRULESHERO42]

If they cut Incineroar (and they shouldn’t!) they better give his move set to Star Man or the Amazon from NES Pro Wrestling

Or Great Puma since he’s even a cat themed wrestler

 

[N3ON]

Unfortunately true. I’m starting to think that the western Smash fan base’s adoration for more western characters (especially Banjo) and hatred of “anime” characters is rooted in racism towards Japan. Do they forget who directs, develops, and publishes the ****ing games? Oh yeah, A JAPANESE MAN AND SEVERAL JAPANESE COMPANIES!

Before we rush to cry racism, it might do us well to remember that many highly wanted characters are of an anime style, a very large quantity are of Japanese creation if not overt style, some of the most popular characters in the game are anime-styled, and the cry for fully western characters may be because we currently only have two, despite the industry becoming ever more global.

 

[Noipoi]

Because it’s the truth. It’s a VERY consistent trend. “Anything from Japan, especially “anime”, is bad, and anything Western, especially Banjo and Crash styled toons, are good.” The vocal part of the western fan base’s views can be summed up in those words.

It’s just cultural differences man.

The guys campaigning for platformer mascots are people who grew up in the time where mascot platformer were big and RPGs were niche, so these characters are their favorites.

And because JRPG’s have gotten bigger and mascot platformers have fallen off, JRPG guys are getting in more frequently. Much to the western bros distaste.

I really don’t think it’s racism my dude.

 

[chocolatejr9]

I mean... what are the Golden Deer's biggest crimes?

Aside from war crimes which everyone does, what do they do?


As for Fates, yeah, could have been really great with some minor tweaking. I do appreciate that the Nohr siblings feel more like Corrin's family then the Hoshido ones. The chemistry of the five together just felt more natural to me.

Didn't they smuggle an enemy into Fodlan?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Because it’s the truth. It’s a VERY consistent trend. “Anything from Japan, especially “anime”, is bad, and anything Western, especially Banjo and Crash styled toons, are good.” The vocal part of the western fan base’s views can be summed up in those words.

It's...probably a lot more complicated than that. If I were to guess it's probably a combination of:

• Animation in general in the west is still seen as a "kids only" thing.
• Anime gaining a reputation for being risque which at the time was scandelous.
• Anime fans becoming infamous for stereotypically strange or...worse behavior.
• Culture clash causing anime to not be well understood outside of the demographic.

Probably some other things as well.

 

[Mamboo07]

Hey Resetera called, they want their take back

Reminder that they complained about Twintelle not being the ARMS rep because person of colour.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I mean... what are the Golden Deer's biggest crimes?

Aside from war crimes which everyone does, what do they do?

They reuse Silver Snow's story

 

[Ivander]

I'm actually decently positive that Corrin will stay. Corrin may be controversial to Smash fans, but one of the wants for Fire Emblem characters is for more elements from the series to be part of the characters, like how there are requests for FE fighters that aren't just simple swordfighters. Like how Robin utilizes the item breaking and different tomes.

And Corrin does represent a recurring element throughout the majority of the series that none of the other fighters do. It's their dragon powers. They represent Manaketes or characters that transform into dragons. And compared to the majority of characters who transform into dragons, Corrin can utilize their dragon powers outside of their full transformation, whereas most Manaketes are stuck to wings or have to fully transform to use their dragon powers.
While there are some characters in Smash who have powers or blood relating to dragons, none of them can transform into them. Corrin can. And Corrin will likely stay as the Manakete character as they are the most popular Manakete character aside from Tiki.