Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[cashregister9]

That I can believe.


I'm not gonna believe rando Gamefaqs users with actual profiles they use and actively at that for years are secretly Nintendo sleeper agents.

Clearly they are, their Shill Chip activated.

You're telling me the shill chip that Nintendo planted in your brain when you were young didn't activate yet?

Unrelated. have you bought a Nintendo Switch Online subscription yet?

 

[7NATOR]

Actually though you know what, I think this Fortnite thing actually would corroborate with other things heard in the past

Master Chief himself is in the Rumor mill, but along with that, There was also the Apex rumors that were suggesting content from the franchise. One of the posts Specified that both a Character and Music were negotiated from EA for Apex Content in Smash

Those might line up to be Mii Costumes. since not only those the charcater's Likeliness need to be negotiated, but the Music that plays in the Mii Trailers need to be negotiated also.

I Imagine if Fortnite was becoming playable, that the Mii Costumes would be shooter based, and if Fortnite was really the last fighter, it would add up.

even without this, I'm still thinking Fortnite is getting some sort of content in the end anyway

 

[ryuryunonoroi]

.......You... really think Nintendo's out here with moles in the fanbase trying to get us off the trail, don't ya?

Only because I've encountered that kind of coordinated posting before and I've learned to recognize the signs of it. Regardless come tomorrow evening we'll all know for sure whether or not it's phony baloney.

 

[Shroob]

Only because I've encountered that kind of coordinated posting before and I've learned to recognize the signs of it. Regardless come tomorrow evening we'll all know for sure whether or not it's phony baloney.

Co-ordinated, as in.... one guy claiming to have sources and another saying "People in a private discord"?


Sec, lemme just get the reaction image annnnnnd

 

[Knight Dude]

I'm hoping the last character doesn't get leaked at the last second because if this gonna be the end anyways, we might as well wait a few hours.

I know Max and Alpharad like to joke it up sometimes, so we'll see how that goes. Though so long as they don't say anything before, I guess they can pull the E-Celeb Insider card.

Hoping for Mega Man X(or Zero, or MM.EXE ect.) mostly. There's a lot of potentially cool characters, too many to list honestly. That said, it'll have to be something PRETTY cool to follow up Kazuya for me to be personally excited.

A crackhead answer would be something like Spider-Man or Goku. But like I said, that's a crackhead answer.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Bruh I wake up and there's 15 pages? I forgot how antsy people get right before a Direcf lmao

 

[ryuryunonoroi]

Co-ordinated, as in.... one guy claiming to have sources and another saying "People in a private discord"?


Sec, lemme just get the reaction image annnnnnd

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The one here who claimed to have a source wasn't shilling. I believe he simply misinterpreted a response his source gave as a serious response when he explained the context to me.

And the shills would be the discord accounts and not the GameFAQs users.

 

[Idon]

I'm hoping the last character doesn't get leaked at the last second because if this gonna be the end anyways, we might as well wait a few hours.

I know Max and Alpharad like to joke it up sometimes, so we'll see how that goes. Though so long as they don't say anything before, I guess they can pull the E-Celeb Insider card.

Hoping for Mega Man X(or Zero, or MM.EXE ect.) mostly. There's a lot of potentially cool characters, too many to list honestly. That said, it'll have to be something PRETTY cool to follow up Kazuya for me to be personally excited.

A crackhead answer would be something like Spider-Man or Goku. But like I said, that's a crackhead answer.

The dream is that next Smash they give us X and Zero as an Aegis/Pokemon Trainer style character, X focuses on long-range and Zero focuses on close range. That way we get both of em in a complimentary manner.

Oh and I've been meaning to ask about your opinion on my Zero moveset I made a whiles back.
Thought you might like this.

Zero, the Rank SA Maverick Hunter
(Theme of Zero)​

Spoiler: OVERVIEW

"You think you're the first fool to fight me?"​

Zero finally makes his debut in Smash, bringing along his best friend and occasional rival, X! However, X shall get his own section later. For now we'll discuss Zero who has more than enough to carry out any missions solo.

Zero is a legendary Maverick Hunter who primarily wields the Z-saber, an energy blade in the shape of a katana that bends like liquid and can be infused with elemental powers like fire, ice, and lightning. Instead of copying his enemies' weapons like X, he instead learns techniques from them and applies them naturally to his swordsmanship.

When he's on the back foot, he goes all out and dons his black armor while activating his special Z-saber technique, improving several of his attacks at expense of his personal defense- Zero's a glass cannon through and through.

With all that power and technique, there's a reason he's called Dr. Wily's greatest creation.

Inline spoilers are just neat tidbits that I thought I should mention but aren't part of describing the moveset.
WARNING: Gratuitous Japanese.

Spoiler: MISCELLANEOUS

Introduction

Mission Start (X)​

Zero warps in from a red laser beam, showing off his back toward the camera. He then turns around and gets into his battle pose.​

Sprint

Emergency Acceleration System (X)​

Zero starts with activating his jet thrusters in his feet, creating afterimages before transitioning into a normal run.​

Run

(X3)​

Zero runs as he does in the X series of games.​

Taunt 1

(MvC3)​

Confidently swings his sword around and snidely remarks "Just like a training program."​

Taunt 2

(X4)​

Turns his back towards the camera and gives a thumbs up. ​

Taunt 3

(X8)​

Shows off his sword horizontally, muttering "Now's your chance to run..."​

Victory 1

(Teppen)​

Zero clashes with Nightmare Zero before the camera zooms out and reveals it was all in Zero's head as he says "I choose my own destiny!"​

Victory 2

(X4)​

Turns off his sword and spins it, reholstering it on his back saying "Target destroyed; returning to base." and teleporting away.​

Victory 3

(X8)​

Does 2 slashes and then goes into a battle pose saying "You thought you were better than you are".​

Victory Theme

(X)​

Zero's X Theme 0-6​

Kirby Hat

(X)​

Kirby has Zero's helm, complete with long blonde ponytail. He does Zero's neutral special: Hadangeki.​

Shield

Gokumonken (X7)​

Zero brings out his Z-saber momentarily to block oncoming attacks.​

Ledge Attack

Earth Gaizer (X2)​

Zero slams his fist into the ground, sending up rocks.​

Get-up attack

Earth Gaizer (X2)​

Zero slams his fist into the ground, sending up rocks on both sides.​

Spoiler: GIMMICKS

"It's not over yet!"​

Comeback mechanic

Tenkuuha (X4) / Black Zero (X4)​

When over 100%, Zero dons his black armor and activates his Tenkuuha technique, turning his normally skyblue Z-saber a bright violet.​

In this form, Zero's attacks all have increased "priority" meaning they will outright destroy most projectiles, while clashing with stronger ones. His aerials also have special properties added onto them.​

This form does come at a cost however as Zero's already fragile defenses are lowered even more and he takes 15% more damage from attacks.​

While the black armor is present since X4, it's not until X5 that it began to bestow benefits. Tenkuuha is learned in X4 and is often associated with Black Zero​

Zero can charge his Z-buster as well, though it is far more limited in its function.
By holding down the "A" button after an attack is inputted, Zero will begin to charge energy into his Z-Buster; naturally charging smash attacks automatically charge up this mechanic as well.
Beyond obviously preventing the usage of any normals as the "A" button is occupied, the charge also resets upon taking any kind of damage.

Due to not being proficient with the Z-Buster as much as X, he only has two level of charge. If Zero does not reach the minimum charge level, releasing will just reset the charge. Additionally, Zero also cannot fire the Z-buster in the air either inline to how he uses it in the X-series.

Charge Release

Hyper Zero Blaster (X2) / Shingetsurin (X5)​

Releasing at minimum charge fires off a weak energy blast with a decent amount of stun but only medium range.​

At maximum charge, Zero will fire 2 of those shots and follow up with a blade beam.​

However, while in Black Zero (henceforth referred to as BZ), he'll instead shoot out much larger blue energy rings that are multi-hit and linger on screen at the end of their path.​

The shot-shot-slash combo is a mainstay since Mega Man X2. Shingetsurin (the blue ring) is used by Awakened Zero and in that game, after stopping, the projectiles would then home in again. That would be a bit insane here so instead they just linger.​

The other method of spending the charge is via releasing it mid-special attack, cancelling the move into a special followup.

Spoiler: SPECIALS

Shield Special

Call X​

(X3 / Xtreme 2)​

Zero turns his back towards the camera and teleports away in a red laser. Shortly after X appears in his place, being transported in via a blue laser.​

While X3 introduced the concept of switching to Zero, it was in an extremely limited fashion and it wasn't until Xtreme 2 allowed freeform switching.​

Neutral Special

Hadangeki (X7) / Denharei (X5) -> Rakuhouha (X4) / Messenkou (C-Flasher) (X5)​

Zero slashes down sending a slow moving beam. Pressing the special button again will have him do an upswing, increasing the startup slightly, but also making the blade beam stronger and faster.​

With a charge cancel, he'll slam his buster into the ground, firing 5 shots in a fan shape around him.​

In BZ, Zero's effects will go from blue to purple and the blade beams will be electrified, doing a bit more hitstun. With a charge cancel, he'll slam his buster into the ground, firing 7 shots in a fan around him.​

While Zero has been able to do blade beams since X2, it isn't until X7 that the player could do them and the attack was formally named. Rakuhouha is his giga attack in X4 while Messenkou is what he uses in X5, both being the same move but differently colored. Denharei is just what Nightmare Zero calls his blade beam.​

Side Special

Raikousen (X8) -> Mikazukizan (C-Sword) (X5)​

Zero dashes forward so fast he turns invisible. He then reappears a set distance forward, lightning tracing his path and stunning any opponents caught in it.​

With a charge cancel, he'll then go into a spinning slash that smacks anyone caught in the lightning away.​

Raikousen is from the wildly unpopular X7, however it is a key tool in Zero's moveset in the vs Capcom games. Mikazukizan is essentially just Kuuenzan with a visual effect, though here, it would act as a finisher attack.​

Down Special

Sougenmu (X5) -> Hayate (W-Shredder) (X5)​

Zero gathers up his energy and creates a clone of himself that performs all his attacks on a delay. It lasts a scant 5 seconds and disappears if Zero takes any damage.​

If this move is performed with a charge cancel, another clone will be sent forth, attacking with a shippuuga, dashing forward first and then doing a multi-hit slash before disappearing.​

Sougenmu in canon functions more like Luma in that it sends the clone out forwards. However, the vs. Capcom games recontextualized it as a clone that follows Zero's actions on a delay which is far more popular. Hayate is essentially just Shippuuga but done by a clone.​

Up Special

Hienkyaku (X4) -> Hisuishou (F-Splasher) (X5)​

An aerial air-dash. It has no hitbox, but it doesn't leave Zero helpless and can be cancelled out with immediately. It can be aimed straight forward, where it'll be a simple dash, but also upwards where he'll quickly re-airdash to the ground unless he grabs the ledge.​

With a charge cancel, he'll follow up with a shoulder tackle air-dash with his body encased in ice, which can alter its angle up or down slightly.​

Hienkyaku functions like it does in the vs. Capcom games here where it is a special airdash maneuver rather than source material, which is a normal extension of Zero's movement. Hisuishou is X5's variant which gives it a hitbox.​

Spoiler: NORMALS

Jab

Triple Slash (X4) / Ranbu (Zero 3)​

Zero does his classic X4 3 hit combo- a downwards chop with the saber, an outwards slash, finished with a two-handed slash downwards that does multiple hits.​

In BZ, Zero instead does Ranbu, an extended combo with 7 hits with the last hit being a rising slash.​

The triple slash is iconic and part of every iteration of Zero and most characters that use swords in Mega Man games. Ranbu however doesn't originate from "Zero" but from "Omega" a violent personality that inhabits Zero's original body.​

Forward Tilt

Rainjingeki (X4)​

Zero points his Z-saber towards the opponent and turns it on, creating a blade of electricity that pierces anyone in front of him.​

In X4, this was a rather difficult move to use, but here it could function well.​

Down Tilt

Crouching Slash (X5)​

Zero does a backhanded slash at the enemy's feet.​

A very niche move, but one that makes sense.​

Down-Forward Tilt

Ensuizan (X6)​

Zero has an additional input unlike most Smash characters. He rolls forward with his Z-saber extended, doing a slow, but powerful and invincible attack forwards.​

Zero was given the ability to do a rolling slash on the floor in X6. This carries over onto the Zero series. This version is based on its interpretation in the vs. Capcom series where it's referred to as "Koketsuga."​

Up Tilt

Shoenzan (X6)​

Zero does a firey red upper slash that throws up flames in the air, extending its reach both horizontally and vertically.​

This move is based on Zero's X6 combo finisher but enhanced with flames. In that game, you could combo the normal jab string into Shoenzan rather than the normal upper slash, though that's not represented here as Zero's combo in that game isn't the one used.​

Dash Attack

Shippuuga (X4)​

Zero engages his jet thrusters, dashing forward and doing a backhanded slash forwards hitting the enemy multiple times.​

A niche move in X4 due to how dominant Kuuenzan is, but one that's very essential in Smash.​

Spoiler: SMASHES

Forward Smash

Charge Saber (Zero) -> Ittouryoudan: Genmu Zero (X5)​

Zero holds the saber over his shoulder with both hands and slams it down, splashing energy and rubble from the ground.​

With a charge, he begins to glow red as his hair grows wild.​

Charged up, after releasing charge saber, he uses the momentum from the slam to jump up. He holds the Z-saber up and extends its length to a ludicrous degree and slashes it down, sending out a large energy wave to travel through the air.​

Zero only begins to charge his saber in the Zero series of games while Genmu Zero is an instant kill attack used in X5. Here it takes the form of MvC3's version where it's just one really strong projectile.​

Down Smash

Rekkoha (X6) -> Raijinshou (X7)​

Zero slams his fist into the ground, calling forth pillars of pure light to erupt from the ground to hit both sides, spinning around him.​

Charged up, Zero then follows up with a rising leaping slash that summons forth a stormy tornado that surrounds him.​

Rekkoha in X6 is represented by an array of lasers that rain down and spread outwards. This version uses Zero 3's version where they spin around the user. Raijinshou is effectively just Ryuuenjin but electric, but it's a super powerful move in MvCI so it's used as such here.​

Up Smash

Ryuuenjin (X4) -> Hyouretsuzan (X4)​

Zero does a rising leaping slash with his blade embued with flames.​

Charged up, he then follows up the attack by descending to the ground with a stabbing attack, this time, his blade embued with ice which shatters on impact with the ground.​

One of the most essential moves of the game Ryuuenjin. It's strong but it can only be used on the ground which limits it's versatility, thus it is represented as an Up Smash here. MvCI allowed that move to be cancelled into Hyouretsuzan which is shown here, as it is also a combination that can be used in X4.​

Spoiler: AERIALS

Neutral Aerial

Rolling Slash (Zero) / Kuuenzan (X4)​

Zero spins around in the air doing a multi-hitting attack.​

In BZ, this move now has a backwards variant if inputted shortly after leaving the ground and inputting back (similar to Steve's backwards neutral air).​

Rolling Slash and Kuuenzan are effectively the same despite the name, but Kuuenzan was the first to popularize Zero's iconic backwards spin exploit. It is one of THE most ridiculous moves in the series and hopefully a fraction of its power shines through here.​

Forward Aerial

Air Slash (X4) / Rekkyoudan (X8)​

Zero does a simple sweeping slash outwards which is angled slightly downwards.​

In BZ, it now reflects projectiles.​

This move is eventually replaced by Kuuenzan, but it's an essential part of early game for Zero. Rekkyoudan just changed Zero's Z-saber to reflect all projectiles, but that wouldn't be pleasant to use so it's reserved just for this attack.​

Back Aerial

Wall Slash (X4) / Juuhazan (X8)​

Zero brings his blade behind his back and slashes behind himself going from high to low.​

In BZ, this move does more shield damage.​

A move practically no one uses outside maybe one or two instances, though it fits well in smash. Juuhazan functioned more as a powerful charge up overhead slam attack that smashed shields but here it just buffs his back air, another overhead slash.​

Down Aerial

Sentsuizan (X6) / Rakukojin (X6)​

Zero turns on his jet thrusters and dives diagonally down with his blade out, slashing and spiking anyone caught.​

In BZ, this move has a much larger landing shockwave, causing rubble to spray out on impact.​

In X6, Sentsuizan was essentially just a Shippuuga that was done in the air and flew diagonally down, a weird move to say the least. In TvC, the move was changed such that it was a more naturally looking "divekick" or in this case a "dive-slash." Rakukojin was another downwards attack which spawned anchors on impact, another odd move, though here it resembles ZX Advent's Energy Fissure which flings out boulders on landing.​

Up Aerial

Launcher (MvC3) / Denjin (E-Blade) (X5)​

Zero does a backhanded uppercut in an arc above himself.​

In BZ, this move becomes multi-hitting and does more damage.​

Zero's Special button input in MvC3 resembles a non-elemental version of Denjin, a Ryuuenjin clone that has multiple variants, one of which being an extremely short uppercut slash.​

Spoiler: GRABS/THROWS

Grab

Z Knuckle (Zero 4)​

Zero grabs with his leading hand which glows with energy.​

In Zero 4 this weapon was absolutely terrible originally, but it does fit perfectly here as a grab animation.​

Pummel

Zero Buster (X)​

Zero points his Z-buster point blank into his opponent and fires repeatedly.​

TvC introduced this as Zero's forward throw though it's a pummel here.​

Forward Throw

Youdantotsu (X8)​

Zero steps forward while stabbing the enemy with the Z-saber, blasting them away.​

This attack serves as a variant of Raijingeki, though it's much more useful with its forward momentum.​

Back Throw

Hyoroga (X6)​

Zero leaps over the opponent and while upside down slashes them away.​

This attack in X6 made Zero cling to the ceiling and rain down ice from his blade. Strangely enough he could still move and dash as he usually would, just on the ceiling now. In Smash the ceiling is rather useless in most instances so the upside down slash is used for its stylish flair.​

Down Throw

Bakuenjin (X7)​

Zero slams the Z-Buster into the opponent's face and slams them into the ground, creating a large firey shockwave.​

Another move where Zero slams the ground, though this one has no special projectiles associated with it, making it a perfect down smash.​

Up Throw

Hyouryuushou (X8)​

Zero jumps and twirls his sword in the air repeatedly hitting the enemy in any icey spin before knocking them away.​

Another Ryueenjin clone though this one has a unique twirling motion.​

Spoiler: FINAL SMASH

Final Smash

Fight Against Inner Demons​

OR Tenshouha (X8) + Dark Hold (X5) + Awakened Zero/Zero Virus/Nightmare Zero (X5) + Fight Against Inner Demons (Teppen)​

Zero punches the ground, summoning a pillar of pure light to surround him.​

If any enemies are caught by the light pillar, Zero will hold them in the air with darkness and stop time for them. Zero goes berserk and hallucinates an evil version of himself whom he duels. They repeatedly cross swords where the enemies are until eventually Zero overpowers his evil version, slashing both it and the enemies caught. As his doppelganger dissipates, time resumes, all the slashes taking effect and launching the opponents away.​

This attack is a myriad of references, though mostly inspired by TvC Zero's super. Tenshouha is essentially Rekkoha except it's just one giant laser instead of several. Dark Hold is used as how it's shown in TvC where it's part of a cinematic super to hold the enemy into place. Zero's duel with his dark doppelganger is an ability card in Teppen. It would have been easy enough to simply give him Rekkoha as it's flashy enough or Genmu Zero as it canonically is his ultimate attack, but neither are very cinematic for a character as dramatic as Zero.​

 

[7NATOR]

The one here who claimed to have a source wasn't shilling. I believe he simply misinterpreted a response his source gave as a serious response when he explained the context to me.

And the shills would be the discord accounts and not the GameFAQs users.

Wait are you talking about SergioMasakir3 (the guy in the 3rd post in that topic). You Dm'd him and he explained the context that looked like it was misunderstanding?

 

[Shroob]

The one here who claimed to have a source wasn't shilling. I believe he simply misinterpreted a response his source gave as a serious response when he explained the context to me.

And the shills would be the discord accounts and not the GameFAQs users.

I'm talking about the linked Gamefaq page.

I see no 'co-ordinated' posting that isn't just typical Gamefaqs ****posting. There is no great conspiracy of Nintendo with hired hands trying to throw us off the trail, because there never was a trail to begin with. We've been completely in the dark since Steve, and even when we DO get legit leaks, they keep the Smash stuff seperate from literally everything else.




I've said it before, but god, I hope tomorrow either ends this, or gives us a date to when to expect it to end, because if we're getting into legit conspiracy theories of "Nintendo's doing x, y, and z to throw us off the trail!", we've gone way, waaaaaaaaay too far off the deep end, to a point that's frankly concerning.

 

[ryuryunonoroi]

Wait are you talking about SergioMasakir3 (the guy in the 3rd post in that topic). You Dm'd him and he explained the context that looked like it was misunderstanding?

No, I'm referring to our own PSIGuy who was posting about sources he had in the thread a few pages back.

I'm talking about the linked Gamefaq page.

I see no 'co-ordinated' posting that isn't just typical Gamefaqs ****posting. There is no great conspiracy of Nintendo with hired hands trying to throw us off the trail, because there never was a trail to begin with. We've been completely in the dark since Steve, and even when we DO get legit leaks, they keep the Smash stuff seperate from literally everything else.




I've said it before, but god, I hope tomorrow either ends this, or gives us a date to when to expect it to end, because if we're getting into legit conspiracy theories of "Nintendo's doing x, y, and z to throw us off the trail!", we've gone way, waaaaaaaaay too far off the deep end, to a point that's frankly concerning.

And those GameFAQs accounts would have been referring to discord accounts if they were being serious. If they're just s***posting then they're just s***posting, but it isn't any stretch of the imagination to think they might have come across a fake leak campaign on certain discord channels and ran with it.

 

[Shroob]

No, I'm referring to our own PSIGuy who was posting about sources he had in the thread a few pages back.


And those GameFAQs accounts would have been referring to discord accounts if they were being serious. If they're just s***posting then they're just s***posting, but it isn't any stretch of the imagination to think they might have come across a fake leak campaign on certain discord channels and ran with it.

Is it not possible that said "fake leak campaign"s could just be, ya know, people like us talking about fake leaks or taking them for face value?


Like, look at how many threads on this site that are dedicated to characters that all go crazy over fake leaks regarding their topic character, are those also fake leak campaigns orchestrated by Nintendo to throw them off for... some reason?



C'mon bruh.

 

[Knight Dude]

The dream is that next Smash they give us X and Zero as an Aegis/Pokemon Trainer style character, X focuses on long-range and Zero focuses on close range. That way we get both of em in a complimentary manner.

Oh and I've been meaning to ask about your opinion on my Zero moveset I made a whiles back.
Thought you might like this.

Black Zero makes him go from really strong to an actual boss fight. Nice. I had some similar ideas, just in different places, like Earth Gaizer being Down Smash, and X6 Flame Slash being his Up-Smash, he has an uppercut slash in the Zero games without an element, so I figured that'd make for a better normal. Cool stuff. I think my only worry is how to visually tell apart two Zero's who enable Black Zero Mode at 100%. Implementing his MVCI Gimmick is pretty cool and makes him standout from from other sword fighters too, so good job there. I for sure would make Dark Hold his Final Smash.

tl;dr, Zero being a menace as usual, good ****.

I kind of had an idea of for Mega Man X where he has an "X" meter that let's him use an armor(a shield special), giving him EX versions of his Specials and Smash Attacks(i.e, Charge Shot gets upgraded to Cross Charge Shot), and 3 input specials, which you can guess what they'd be. It would have two levels, Blue and Gold. Blue would be a slight boost and last the stock, Gold would run on a timer and could only be used much more sparingly(i.e, once per game rather than once per stock), but be even stronger. The standard armor would be fine, but Finding enough variants for gold's visuals would be tricky. But I think 2 levels of Install might be a bit much and sticking to the one would be better.

MMX has like more than half a dozen options for an Install, if they went with Falcon, he could have a piercing effect on his full charge shot, like in X5, letting it ignore shields and reflectors.

I also figured both characters would have unique ground dashes(basically, the ones from the Mega Man X and Mega Man Zero games, with afterimages to visually convey they work differently), and both of them having air-dashes in addition to the double jump, like how Peach can float even after her 2nd jump.

 

[Jondolio]

I cannot believe the end of Smash Speculation might actually be upon us.

 

[Shroob]

I cannot believe the end of Smash Speculation might actually be upon us.

It's been a ride, alright.


Definitely... the most "unique" one I've ever been on in all my time in the community.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Tomorrow...

 

[Shroob]

Tomorrow...

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Well ****, I'm seeing ghosts.

How the **** are ya, Pony?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Well ****, I'm seeing ghosts.

How the **** are ya, Pony?

Not dead yet. Figured I'd pop in before it all ends.

Congrats on the mod status btw! Just noticed that.

 

[ryuryunonoroi]

Is it not possible that said "fake leak campaign"s could just be, ya know, people like us talking about fake leaks or taking them for face value?


Like, look at how many threads on this site that are dedicated to characters that all go crazy over fake leaks regarding their topic character, are those also fake leak campaigns orchestrated by Nintendo to throw them off for... some reason?



C'mon bruh.

Oh absolutely. But at the same time sophisticated shilling campaigns aren't unheard of. Here's an example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/5ihyvu The video itself got scrubbed, but you can tell from the context in the comments that this is both easy to do and relatively inexpensive.

 

[Shroob]

Not dead yet. Figured I'd pop in before it all ends.

Congrats on the mod status btw! Just noticed that.

Nani? lol


Nah, I ain't no mod, I don't think I'd be up to it lol.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Nani? lol


Nah, I ain't no mod, I don't think I'd be up to it lol.

Shhh,

They've pranked status confused with mod status. Play along and we can abuse your newfound power.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Nani? lol


Nah, I ain't no mod, I don't think I'd be up to it lol.

Your name looked red with f.lux on so I thought...

ANYWAYS who do we think is the final character and why is it Jonesy Fortnite?

 

[Jondolio]

Jonesy Fortnite is my backup prediction. Still hard predicting a Pokémon tho

 

[Shroob]

Oh absolutely. But at the same time sophisticated shilling campaigns aren't unheard of. Here's an example:
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/5ihyvu The video itself got scrubbed, but you can tell from the context in the comments that this is both easy to do and relatively inexpensive.

Right, but we need.... proof, ya know?

There's like, zero evidence of Nintendo doing this in regards to Smash, and assuming they are in the 11th hour when there's been no reason to believe it to have been happening any time in the past feels extremely conspiracy.



Like, where's the proof? Because a lot of fake leaks are being tossed around? Because people are drumming up support in favor of characters showing up in the Direct?


That's literally just the Smash fanbase doing its thing

 

[osby]

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Your name looked red with f.lux on so I thought...

ANYWAYS who do we think is the final character and why is it Jonesy Fortnite?

Fortnite is a shoo-in but I find Peely more likely.

Nintendo always picks mascots over human characters, ask Source Gaming.

 

[Jondolio]

I remember when people thought Skull Kid would be a fighter because of the chairs in Sakurai's office matching Tatl and Tael's colors

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Today I learned that Sora and the good boy Nick trending on twitter every time Directs get announced is because of a sneaky campaign and not because people really want those characters in Smash. Could have fooled me

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Fortnite is a shoo-in but I find Peely more likely.

Nintendo always picks mascots over human characters, ask Source Gaming.

Yeah you’re right I forgot when they added Morgana over Joker except that Peely is dead in-canon so could they really add him?

 

[Shroob]

I remember when people thought Skull Kid would be a fighter because of the chairs in Sakurai's office matching Tatl and Tael's colors

To be fair, that also had a lot to do with Loz18.


I remember when some site, I think Neogaf, all changed their icons to have Majora's Mask in them just because they 100% believed Loz.

 

[Jondolio]

To be fair, that also had a lot to do with Loz18.


I remember when some site, I think Neogaf, all changed their icons to have Majora's Mask in them just because they 100% believed Loz.

I forgot about Loz. There were so many fake leakers in base game speculation that I just couldn't be bothered to remember them all, aside from Verge and the Grinch.

 

[Shroob]

I forgot about Loz. There were so many fake leakers in base game speculation that I just couldn't be bothered to remember them all, aside from Verge and the Grinch.

I'll always remember Loz, if only because they were such a shyster that they tricked Verg.



Granted, it's not like Verg was hard to fool, like Hitagi, but the fact Verg actually once went to Loz to confirm info he had heard is, frankly hilarious to me for some reason.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I forgot about Loz. There were so many fake leakers in base game speculation that I just couldn't be bothered to remember them all, aside from Verge and the Grinch.

Loz was interesting because he had legit info and I believe he leaked Inkling's moveset, but he got caught and decided to bluff his way forward by saying his favourite was in, which tbh is a brilliant strategy as your fave would be talked about significantly more, like how most people here now know what an Adol or Estelle is solely because of a fake leak mentioning a Falcom character

 

[Jondolio]

I really hope the next game doesn't have any big leak. I think the Grinch Leak is one of the many factors that made me disappointed with Incineroar, and why I kinda fell out of Smash Speculation afterwards.

 

[Shroob]

I really hope the next game doesn't have any big leak. I think the Grinch Leak is one of the many factors that made me disappointed with Incineroar, and why I kinda fell out of Smash Speculation afterwards.

It's Smash


Ultimate's base game leaked behind the scenes in like, sometime in June.


A big leak's an inevitability tbh.

 

[Nekoo]

It's Smash


Ultimate's base game leaked behind the scenes in like, sometime in June.


A big leak's an inevitability tbh.

Correction-
Back in March the whole concept of "ultimate" and "every characters returning" was already being leaked but no one believed it. Even by Verg himself.

Brawl had a demo disk ****ing leaked

Smash4 had Gematsu, Shop leak and The hint toward Cloud

Im sure if we get a smash game, it will leak, somehow

 

[Shroob]

Correction-
Back in March the whole concept of "ultimate" and "every characters returning" was already being leaked but no one believed it. Even by Verg himself.

Brawl had a demo disk ****ing leaked

Smash4 had Gematsu, Shop leak and The hint toward Cloud

Im sure if we get a smash game, it will leak, somehow

March?

I knew the full roster was known back in June or earlier, but I never knew that stuff was known in March.


Wow.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Correction-
Back in March the whole concept of "ultimate" and "every characters returning" was already being leaked but no one believed it. Even by Verg himself.

Brawl had a demo disk ****ing leaked

Smash4 had Gematsu, Shop leak and The hint toward Cloud

Im sure if we get a smash game, it will leak, somehow

Wasn't there a 4chan post leaking Melee's full roster with people wondering who the hell Mars was and why Roy of all Koopas was chosen?

 

[Kokiden]

I hope we'll finally get some Bayo 3 news at long last, but I highly doubt it. I am expecting nothing, so even if it doesn't show, I won't be disappointed.

As for Smash, I've no idea who it will be.

Would be nice to get Vergil, since he's the only one I want atm, but again, doubtful. FP2 has been underwhelming for me, so even if it's not him, hopefully it'll be someone who strikes my fancy.

Just hope it won't be a Fortnite character, is all.

 

[Nekoo]

Wasn't there a 4chan post leaking Melee's full roster with people wondering who the hell Mars was and why Roy of all Koopas was chosen?

I'm not even sure if you're baiting or not anymore, Cutie pls.

March?

I knew the full roster was known back in June or earlier, but I never knew that stuff was known in March.


Wow.

Ya, Emily rogers was already talking about how this smash game would make fans happy, etc etc etc. Soon after Verge appeares and claimed all character + Ice climber and Wolf would come back-
And then some others insiders were hinting about Ridley and shieeeet.
And then Imran talked about talk about a Square character started back in the december of previous year before the release.

So ya, seems that smash ultimate got leaked internally but never shared, until Verge ofc

 

[ryuryunonoroi]

Right, but we need.... proof, ya know?

There's like, zero evidence of Nintendo doing this in regards to Smash, and assuming they are in the 11th hour when there's been no reason to believe it to have been happening any time in the past feels extremely conspiracy.

Ah, but I didn't say that it was an absolute certainty that discord shills were pushing Fortnite as the final rep. Simply that it was a strong possibility.

And I do find it peculiar that you're able to entertain the idea of Nintendo doing these kinds of things through examples like that 3DS hacker mentioned earlier and the Star Fox Grand Prix leaker trap, yet you get strangely defensive about the possibility of the use of similar techniques to bury certain leaks before they may get traction.

Like, where's the proof? Because a lot of fake leaks are being tossed around? Because people are drumming up support in favor of characters showing up in the Direct?


That's literally just the Smash fanbase doing its thing

Are you referring to the characters trending on twitter here? Because I never claiming anything of those trending characters was a deliberate decoy shill attempt.