Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Guynamednelson]

Yeah, I doubt that.

You say that, but just wait for all the cries of "Irrelevant!" "Side character!" "Assist Trophy!" and so on.

 

[RetrogamerMax]

You say that, but just wait for all the cries of "Irrelevant!" "Side character!" "Assist Trophy!" and so on.

If the Spirit fan rule can die than so can the Assist Trophy fan rule. At the end of the day, Sakurai makes the decisions on what's possible and what's not in Smash Bros. even though sometimes Nintendo has a word on who get's in. Who we the fans consider deconfirmed might not actually be out of the running if the developers want them. Otherwise, we wouldn't have gotten Min Min and the Spirit fan rule wouldn't have died. I think it's only a matter of time before the Assist Trophy barrier is destroyed.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You say that, but just wait for all the cries of "Irrelevant!" "Side character!" "Assist Trophy!" and so on.

I think you need to talk to more people.

I don't think 99% of people would mind.

The remaining 1% would be kinda lame ngl.

 

[dream1ng]

You say that, but just wait for all the cries of "Irrelevant!" "Side character!" "Assist Trophy!" and so on.

Against the rest of the pass being Fire Emblem characters, the only option that would generate more salt is if they cancelled the rest of the pass. And even then I'm not 100% sure.

Getting three fanbase favorites is not even in the same league of antipathy. People shouted at Ridley, K. Rool and Banjo too before they got in. One was so prominent it was used in Ridley's tagline.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You say that, but just wait for all the cries of "Irrelevant!" "Side character!" "Assist Trophy!" and so on.

There's always pushback for the new characters. The difference here is that the people yelling about how terrible these characters are as editions won't still be doing so months afterward like with Byleth, Piranha Plant, Incineroar, Corrin, etc.* For most of these characters, there was already a precedent for people hating them, and it's the opposite for the likes of Geno, Waluigi, and Isaac. I really don't see how they would garner a worse reaction than characters like more Fire Emblem characters after Byleth was so controversial for being a Fire Emblem character.

*Not saying they were bad, just controversial.

 

[DarthEnderX]

actual reality

Oh you poor deluded creature...

All the bad stuff in the world and you choose to be salty about fictional characters in a party game a year after their reveal.

I have enough salt for both.

 

[GoodGrief741]

You say that, but just wait for all the cries of "Irrelevant!" "Side character!" "Assist Trophy!" and so on.

I think you're confusing people's perception of unlikelihood for those characters with hatred or distaste for them. Like, come on, I get it, I don't like it when people shut down discussion about certain characters, but that doesn't mean that the community hates those characters. Especially the three that you mentioned, I think very few would find anything bad to say about those characters beyond "not for me but glad for his fans".

Just look at Sephiroth. Barely anyone thought he was possible for reasons that weren't valid but it looks like everyone loves his inclusion. (Except for the mods who aren't giving my boy the poll he deserves)

 

[I.D.]

The Chrono series is still top 25 in sales even though it's last game was on the SNES and nobody really cared for it

SquareEnix: "I'm just gonna ignore that."

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[BlondeLombax]

You guys ever think about how Sakurai manages to get content from western-developed games in Smash, sometimes a full year or so before said games release? Like Luigi's new Poltergust, when we saw it in Simon and Richter's trailer, Luigi's Mansion 3 hadn't even been revealed until a month or so later (my brain is too tired to do the exact math, sorry). I think he's got a closer link to western studios than we may think. This might just be rambling, but I just wanted to put it out there.

 

[Guynamednelson]

You guys ever think about how Sakurai manages to get content from western-developed games in Smash, sometimes a full year or so before said games release? Like Luigi's new Poltergust, when we saw it in Simon and Richter's trailer, Luigi's Mansion 3 hadn't even been revealed until a month or so later (my brain is too tired to do the exact math, sorry). I think he's got a closer link to western studios than we may think. This might just be rambling, but I just wanted to put it out there.

To be fair, it's a game produced by Westerners for Nintendo. Japanese employees probably learned about the new Poltergust and told Sakurai ahead of time.

 

[Chaosmaster8753]

Who else expects the Capcom hackers to somehow find out if a Capcom character either shows up in FP2 or all they do is rerelease the Monster Hunter Mii costumes before Nintendo officially reveals it?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Who else expects the Capcom hackers to somehow find out if a Capcom character either shows up in FP2 or all they do is rerelease the Monster Hunter Mii costumes before Nintendo officially reveals it?

They aren't hackers though.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Waluigi's inclusion would've generated salt mines maybe like 13 years ago. Now? He's arguably the most popular and requested Nintendo newcomer. Like **** man, you don't get your deconfirmation acknowledged by the President of NoA and mainstream media outlets unless you're really popular and beloved. Very few characters are able to appeal to both casuals and hardcore fans with the same wavelength of popularity, most either lean to one side or the other. Waluigi fits both sides, kinda like Steve.

 

[Shroob]

Who else expects the Capcom hackers to somehow find out if a Capcom character either shows up in FP2 or all they do is rerelease the Monster Hunter Mii costumes before Nintendo officially reveals it?

I'm 50/50 on it.


That's definitely possible I assume, but from what I've heard, the leak only has data from like, a year or two back at most.


If Sakurai procured the rights for the character before that, would the leak even have that? Hell, would any of the DLC info even show up in it? I assume so.


There's still a ton of the leak unknown to the public, so it's very possible.

 

[Speed Weed]

Any other katana users we know about besides Ryu Hayabusa and the Tales of protagonists? Just want to see something...

There's my mans over here but at this stage of the game he's probably ****ing dead

 

[HansShotFirst20]

Man,

With the release of Sephiroth and the murder of Geno, I'd honestly be fine with pretty much anybody for the next 3 characters, as long as the final one is at least sorta hype.

Obvious favorite is still Dante (the Vergil itch has been scratched by Sephiroth) -- although with MH: R coming to the switch I think a monster huner rep is much more likely -- which I'm also down for.

A BamCo character -- Sol Badguy, Nightmare, SIegfried, and a Souls rep come to mind -- would also be cool, especially if they get other BamCo songs to go with them (cough Ace Combat OST's) a la Terry.

As far as first parties go, I can see Waluigi or a Pokemon rep happening, neither of which I'd have a real problem with, especially if said Pokemon character came with Pokefloats.

At this point, Doomguy and/or Master Chief are extreme dark horses IMO. We already have a Microsoft character in this pass via steve, and I feel that the Window of relevancy for the Slayer is closing fast.

As far as how 'relevant' the characters for the second pass need to be, I'm conflicted; Min-Min came from an effectively dead franchise (hence why I think her inclusion was more for the sake of drawing more attention to ARMS rather than driving sales for Smash), while Sephiroth and especially Steve had very broad mass appeal. SImilarly to the first Fighter Pass, I feel like anyone could get in as long as there's enough money to be made for both Nintendo and the owner of the character.

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

You say that, but just wait for all the cries of "Irrelevant!" "Side character!" "Assist Trophy!" and so on.

I would absolutely take an irrelevant side character over another Fire Emblem character. Not because bias, but because we've gone far beyond the realm of even the good FE characters making much of a difference.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

I would absolutely take an irrelevant side character over another Fire Emblem character. Not because bias, but because we've gone far beyond the realm of even the good FE characters making much of a difference.

I'd still Stan an FE villain like Black Knight.

 

[osby]

As far as how 'relevant' the characters for the second pass need to be, I'm conflicted; Min-Min came from an effectively dead franchise (hence why I think her inclusion was more for the sake of drawing more attention to ARMS rather than driving sales for Smash), while Sephiroth and especially Steve had very broad mass appeal. SImilarly to the first Fighter Pass, I feel like anyone could get in as long as there's enough money to be made for both Nintendo and the owner of the character.

Tangential but just because ARMS didn't receive a sequel on the same console immediately doesn't mean it's a dead franchise, especially considering how well it sold.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

Tangential but just because ARMS didn't receive a sequel on the same console immediately doesn't mean it's a dead franchise, especially considering how well it sold.

I feel like ARMS died on December 7th, 2018

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

I'd still Stan an FE villain like Black Knight.

I should specify: the problem lies not in the quality of the character, but in context. With 3 characters left in the pass, would Black Knight be all that well received overall? He may have great merit, but will that make a difference with how much FE we already got?

 

[HansShotFirst20]

I should specify: the problem lies not in the quality of the character, but in context. With 3 characters left in the pass, would Black Knight be all that well received overall? He may have great merit, but will that make a difference with how much FE we already got?

Fire Emblem's fanbase is growing ever larger, and I think if something happened to make a character like Black Knight relevant in the public eye again (such as a remaster of Ike's games on the switch), then there would be considerably fewer people mad about another FE character than there would be for a more obscure 'literally who' character from another game (look at how much flak Hero got in the west -- its at least as much as Byleth got, although less than Corrin IMO. Goes to show that FE hate depends more on the character and source game than the franchise itself).

That said, I'm not gonna clamber for another FE character -- I'd just accept it if another one did happen.

 

[Nekoo]

ARMS
Keep getting tournament from Nintendo 4 years+ after it's release in Japan with top levels players there
IREELEPHANT UR HONOR!

Pls.

 

[TheTuninator]

no complaints here depending on what characters are chosen.

Like, getting Isaac, Dixie Kong, and Impa/Elma/Medusa would be a dope way to end the pass.

If we got nothing but more 1st Party we'd for sure get another Splatoon rep. I'm honestly a bit mystified as to how badly Splatoon normally gets overlooked in first-party speculation in favor of a Brawl-era mindset when Splatoon 2 put up some seriously crazy sales figures. If you go purely off of Switch game sales Splatoon is Nintendo's #5 series right now.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

no complaints here depending on what characters are chosen.

Like, getting Isaac, Dixie Kong, and Impa/Elma/Medusa would be a dope way to end the pass.

Give me both Elma and Octoling and I’ll be set

listen I just really REALLY need to hear Uncontrollable and Fly Octo Fly in smash u dig

 

[Heoj]

Havent been in the speculation thread in forever, didn't know a new one was opened, i assume the chun li thing is the talk of the town?

 

[Mamboo07]

no complaints here depending on what characters are chosen.

Like, getting Isaac, Dixie Kong, and Impa/Elma/Medusa would be a dope way to end the pass.

I want Bandana Dee so much...

 

[Strife]

Is all this Chun-Li hype really over the monster hunter mii costume? A theory Papa Genos had made pretty popular is the Monster Hunter was upgraded in the game to an actual Boss, and therefore may not even get a mii costume? Does anyone buy into that?

 

[Heoj]

Is all this Chun-Li hype really over the monster hunter mii costume? A theory Papa Genos had made pretty popular is the Monster Hunter was upgraded in the game to an actual Boss, and therefore may not even get a mii costume? Does anyone buy into that?

Nah i fully expect the MH miis to come back, and it doesn't really matter whether or not MH is even playable imo.

 

[Speed Weed]

lol imagine rest of the pass is only first party picks

Depending on who they'd choose, it'd either be kickass or extremely disappointing

 

[CureParfait]

lol imagine rest of the pass is only first party picks

That will sound awesome unless the rest of the pass was only first party characters I despise.

 

[zumaddy]

Nah i fully expect the MH miis to come back, and it doesn't really matter whether or not MH is even playable imo.

^ If they go with a certain game's design for MH such as 4U Hunter with an Insect Glaive or Rise Hunter to promote the new game, the old Mii Costumes could represent the old classic armor. Rathalos Armor Miis can also represent Rathalos as a boss character. Meanwhile revealing Travis/Geno/Heihachi etc. as a Mii bundled for another fighter makes you think "Why are they giving us a Mii version of this character for an unrelated fighter unless they're not in"

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Even beyond supposed leaks and remaining costumes Capcom is naturally going to get speculation at this point given that it had a new character in Smash 4, Smash 4 DLC, and the base of Smash Ultimate. Not getting new character in a pair of fighter's passes is just going to strike people as more unlikely than getting one, especially given that the continuing relationship with other third party developers have clearly produced significant results in the DLC.

Essentially its easy for many to see a Capcom character being for the second pass what SNK was for the first, with the rest of it likely mirroring many of companies involved in the original (ie both having a Nintendo, Square Enix, and Microsoft adjacent character so far).

 

[Heoj]

Personally for capcom i think it comes down between Monster Hunter, Phoenix Wright and maybe Chun-Li

 

[Flyboy]

Is all this Chun-Li hype really over the monster hunter mii costume? A theory Papa Genos had made pretty popular is the Monster Hunter was upgraded in the game to an actual Boss, and therefore may not even get a mii costume? Does anyone buy into that?

No. The "Chun-Li hype" is not over the costume. It's deeper than that, and the idea is not that Chun-Li is definitely going to be next, just that it's interesting she may have been considered before being replaced by Ken due to time limitations. For all we know, Monster Hunter may be a character in the pass, or any other Capcom rep, or none at all.

If you want a good summation of the reason people are looking at Chun-Li and Tales Of, you can read SharkLord's write-up of a Japanese post that discussed several negotiations they had heard about for base game here.

 

[Faso115]

Broke: Chun-Li isn't happening because SF already has enough as it is.

Woke: Chun-Li isn't happening because the Switch's hardware cannot render those thicc legs.

 

[Deleted member]

Why the hype around Chun Li? You don’t think they’d give us a Street Fighter villain like M. Bison instead?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

If they did put in another prominent SF character like Chun Li, it would be interesting if some of her spirits/music were drawn more from stuff like the Alpha series, SFIII, and IV.

Basically with Ryu/Ken covering SFII, have her do justice to the other major 2D games in the series.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Broke: Chun-Li isn't happening because SF already has enough as it is.

Woke: Chun-Li isn't happening because the Switch's hardware cannot render those thicc legs.

Like slow down Sephiroth is making everyone else thirsty

the THIRST Chunners will cause will be too much to handle

and imma have to send ALL YALL to horny jail

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Why the hype around Chun Li? You don’t think they’d give us a Street Fighter villain like M. Bison instead?

Chun-Li is one of the most iconic female characters ever alongside Lara Croft and Tifa Lockheart. She deserves it more than Bison.