Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

For me the only "safe" picks are any general first party, SEGA or Capcom rep, I don't believe we are going to get a new company, but anything can happen for the last character.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

Oh for the love of...if they really wanted a Gen 8 rep, they wouldn't have made a spirit event for Sword and Shield near the end of the Fighter Pass. FE3H had nothing at all until Byleth's reveal, and that's the point people apparently keep forgetting

That makes absolute sense, it really does and I've been standing by that for a while now. But it also made sense that if a Tekken character got into Smash, they would have had the Heihachi costume come with them. So now with basically what I think is the less "surety" of speculation (honestly wouldn't even call it a fanrule, I think it was a much more reasonable assumption than like "Min Min's a spirit though, it couldn't be her.") basically gone, who honestly knows at this point.

We'll all be laughing until Sergeant Cortez Splits Into Battle! anyways

 

[Gengar84]

I mean yeah they’re my most wanted (well, Phoenix is more a very low key want)

but they also don’t have anything really against them chance wise

I’m just a lil baffled also by everyone putting Hayabusa despite the interview but to each their own I guess

Yeah, I mentioned the same thing earlier. That’s one reason I feel like Lu Bu has a pretty good chance. It makes a ton of sense for Koei-Tecmo to get a character but I feel like Hyabusa is out of the running based on developer interviews.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Oh for the love of...if they really wanted a Gen 8 rep, they wouldn't have made a spirit event for Sword and Shield near the end of the Fighter Pass. FE3H had nothing at all until Byleth's reveal, and that's the point people apparently keep forgetting

Two words:

Red Herring


Who knows what they have planned...

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

Tbh though I'm feeling Sega. It'd make sense if they've already gotten two Square and two Microsoft characters. It could be Eggman, Arle, Kiryu, SMT rep, Phantasy Star rep I guess, so on. That's where my mind is at but I'm totally expecting another Namco character to surprise me. Although if I'm thinking about it, it's not really a surprise anymore now is it.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

So wait I'm unsure on something..

I now see that some of you think that Hayabusa's out of the running because of the interviews that took place.

Do y'all have similar opinions on Doomguy? In other words, do you guys think negotiations for Doomguy as a fighter fell through?

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

So wait I'm unsure on something..

I now see that some of you think that Hayabusa's out of the running because of the interviews that took place.

Do y'all have similar opinions on Doomguy? In other words, do you guys think negotiations for Doomguy as a fighter fell through?

Most people have thought Doomguy's been deconfirmed for a while.

 

[Inferno7]

All things considered it's a business decision. It's no surprise Smash Ultimate started off strong with characters like Ridley and King K. Rool, too fan favourite titans in the Smash community and ended off with Isabelle and Incineroar, popular characters but standing nothing to the previous characters in terms of uh wantedness? Not sure that'd a word lol.

The pre-orders must have been coming in hot after E3 of 2018 instead of saving the big fan favourites for last. The same also applies for DLC. Had Byleth been the first DLC fighter revealed, I'd imagine there would be less inclination to buy the season pass as there was when Mr. Popular Joker who was as unexpected as he was unknowingly popular (if Persona had a stronger Nintendo connection, I could see him being a popular fan request before well... he broke down those expectations.)

Business decision this, business decision that, I'll be very blunt here, but I'm tired of hearing this everywhere I go as if it was some sort of godsend revelation
Min Min started the pass, that alone weakens the ''last char bad'' argument by a significant degree. If that was the case they would be smart enough to not pick her first, not to mention Ninty already has FP1 so they wouldn't have to rely on FP2 for sales.
inb4 ''ARMS is hype'', yeah a new IP with no legacy or fully polished gameplay to speak of, that sold 2 million copies, got its comic cancelled and had poor retention of its playerbase is very clearly a hype pick, even when barely anyone asked for Min Min instead of Spring Man before the AT

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

Two words:

Red Herring


Who knows what they have planned...

You know, I spent the day after Kazuya's reveal pondering why they didn't include the Heihachi costume with him especially since according to Mr. Sakurai-san himself, the second pass was decided by around Byleth and I don't buy into the whole "switching characters around."

I mean, what if it really was just a red herring? I used to think that there's no way Nintendo gave two dumps about the speculation scene given its size prohably pales in comparison to the average Smash owner but you know, now I've just been thinking what if.

(Realistically though if we do get a SwSh rep, the spirit event was probably not a red herring and just a celebration for the game's launch that would have happened regardless.)

 

[Gengar84]

I asked this a while ago but I’ll ask again here. How would everyone feel if we got Jessie and James from Team Rocket as the Pokémon rep? I’m not entirely sure whether Sakurai would count them as video game characters since they come from an anime based on a video game. I think they are definitely iconic enough to make it and would be very different than any other Pokémon character while also giving the series a villain.

 

[Inferno7]

inb4 they pull a Sm4sh and end it off with a hype character that's also broken af

In a perfect world this would've been Dante but not anymore
''i-it's just the rain I swear!''

Rie's safe picks are usually her most wanted.

it's only natural, most people here seem to be biased towards their MWs
I must admit that I may seem kinda biased when it comes to Shadow, but I actually try to provide evidence for my thoughts
Granted, that's mostly because of SEGA's current position in this pass, since I never considered any of my MWs particularly likely;

-Dante: I knew they wouldn't pick him the moment I saw Sephiroth, not to mention that he didn't fit 2nd chance theory and DMC being smaller than both MH and RE put the final nail in the coffin for me. I expected nothing but the mii somehow still hurt me.

-Raiden: Thought he was a sleeper at first except I managed to realize Nintendo doesn't just pick characters at random, since they have to be from active and/or relevant games in most cases unless it's a massive request like Banjo (and even then they were surprised by the reaction).

-Scorpion: Banned in Japan, M-rated series. Next.

-Any first party MW: kek, they either were base game material or nothing

-Lloyd: I thought it was Tales of or Dark Souls, but I leaned towards the latter. Little I knew that Tekken was still on the running.

I actually considered Shadow himself was impossible till I saw that:
-a lot of rules started to get broken
-Second unique 3rd party reps from the same IP are now possible
-Sakurai likes edgy characters (that one took me offguard considering how there aren't a lot of them)
-SEGA suddenly gaining massive traction for the last character.
-2nd chance theory and all that noise
-AT rule apparently doesn't matter considering how it wasn't mentioned during the ARMS reveal
-Anniversary

So the planets pretty much started to align for me to take the iniciative. Not that I think he's a lock or anything but a Sonic rep is highly likely now (spirit event shouldn't be used as an argument when FE had two before 3H tbh).

 

[Theguy123]

Part of me is really hyped for the last character and the other half of me is constantly thinking about the voice slot theory and what if the last character is actually a mute character like the theory suggests which is quite sad and worries me.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

the second pass was decided by around Byleth

wdym by this? Do you mean the content was finalized around January 2020? Just making sure.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

I asked this a while ago but I’ll ask again here. How would everyone feel if we got Jessie and James from Team Rocket as the Pokémon rep? I’m not entirely sure whether Sakurai would count them as video game characters since they come from an anime based on a video game. I think they are definitely iconic enough to make it and would be very different than any other Pokémon character while also giving the series a villain.

Good. I'd like it. It'd be unique. I doubt it would happen for fighter 11 because if they did choose a Pokemon rep, it'd be that fricking bunny.

wdym by this? Do you mean the content was finalized around January 2020? Just making sure.

I don't think anyone knows when they were finalized but Sakurai at least told us the pass had been completed so at least some time between its announcement and January 2020 was it settled. But who knows what Nintendo does behind doors. I could be wrong about literally everything I've been speculating lol (but who cares, there's no penalty for being a little in over my head as long as I'm not toxic to others)

 

[Gengar84]

Part of me is really hyped for the last character and the other half of me is constantly thinking about the voice slot theory and what if the last character is actually a mute character like the theory suggests which is quite sad and worries me.

If there is any truth to that rumor, I think it probably helps the chances of a classic NES rep like Bill Rizer. If they want to keep him retro feeling, I can totally see him being mute except for the “wow!” death scream.

 

[Inferno7]

I asked this a while ago but I’ll ask again here. How would everyone feel if we got Jessie and James from Team Rocket as the Pokémon rep? I’m not entirely sure whether Sakurai would count them as video game characters since they come from an anime based on a video game. I think they are definitely iconic enough to make it and would be very different than any other Pokémon character while also giving the series a villain.

I personally wouldn't like it
I watched the show and all, but Pokémon really doesn't need another character at this point, much less someone from a repped gen

 

[Gengar84]

I personally wouldn't like it
I watched the show and all, but Pokémon really doesn't need another character at this point, much less someone from a repped gen

Yeah that makes total sense. I know they technically are Gen 1, but it feels weird saying Jessie and James would count as Gen 1 reps since they are a huge part of every season. Either way, I never really cared much about Gen representation. I’d much rather have my favorites, regardless of what Gen they came from.

 

[Inferno7]

Yeah that makes total sense. I know they technically are Gen 1, but it feels weird saying Jessie and James would count as Gen 1 reps since they are a huge part of every season. Either way, I never really cared much about Gen representation. I’d much rather have my favorites, regardless of what Gen they came from.

I get you
But still, I don't think I'd like any Pokémon rep at this point regardless of gen-specific representation, since I do believe the last character should ideally come up from a relatively under-repped series or straight up a new IP to further expand the crossover concept.

It's mainly because this is the last character, and I find that other series like Zelda or Kirby deserve some love

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

I get you
But still, I don't think I'd like any Pokémon rep at this point regardless of gen-specific representation, since I do believe the last character should ideally come up from a relatively under-repped series or straight up a new IP to further expand the crossover concept.

It's mainly because this is the last character, and I find that other series like Zelda or Kirby deserve some love

Totally, if this is the last fighter, I'd love another series. I get a little giddy seeing a new series icon in the music select menu, it's just a cool experience when a brand new game crosses over into Smash.

 

[ArkSPiTFirE]

Oh for the love of...if they really wanted a Gen 8 rep, they wouldn't have made a spirit event for Sword and Shield near the end of the Fighter Pass. FE3H had nothing at all until Byleth's reveal, and that's the point people apparently keep forgetting

I'm not forgetting it at all. I'm just convinced Nintendo won't care. You know what is a bigger deal breaker than the spirit event? We already got a new Pokémon rep in Ultimate. Because the one thing we haven't seen is a repeated newcomer for a series that got one in Ultimate already (not counting echoes).

That would convince me against any other series getting one, but Pokémon has their entire pool of Gen 8 characters just ready to be taken, along with a Galar stage. It's a shoe-in for the next installment, but part of me is just worried they'll stick it as the final DLC because Sword and Shield are 'The' Pokémon Switch titles (at least until Snap showed up), and Nintendo are looking at those 20 million units sold and rubbing their hands.

 

[Gengar84]

I get you
But still, I don't think I'd like any Pokémon rep at this point regardless of gen-specific representation, since I do believe the last character should ideally come up from a relatively under-repped series or straight up a new IP to further expand the crossover concept.

It's mainly because this is the last character, and I find that other series like Zelda or Kirby deserve some love

I can agree with that. I won’t lie and say I wouldn’t be hyped if one of my favorite Pokémon got in but there are plenty of other games I’d love to see as well that deserve it more.

 

[Schnee117]

I'm not forgetting it at all. I'm just convinced Nintendo won't care. You know what is a bigger deal breaker than the spirit event? We already got a new Pokémon rep in Ultimate. Because the one thing we haven't seen is a repeated newcomer for a series that got one in Ultimate already (not counting echoes).

That would convince me against any other series getting one, but Pokémon has their entire pool of Gen 8 characters just ready to be taken, along with a Galar stage. It's a shoe-in for the next installment, but part of me is just worried they'll stick it as the final DLC because Sword and Shield are 'The' Pokémon Switch titles (at least until Snap showed up), and Nintendo are looking at those 20 million units sold and rubbing their hands.

By the time the next Smash comes around we'll have moved past Gen 8 so I wouldn't consider it a shoo-in for the next Smash

 

[ArkSPiTFirE]

By the time the next Smash comes around we'll have moved past Gen 8 so I wouldn't consider it a shoo-in for the next Smash

That doesn't make me feel any better lol.

 

[FreeFox]

Part of me is really hyped for the last character and the other half of me is constantly thinking about the voice slot theory and what if the last character is actually a mute character like the theory suggests which is quite sad and worries me.

What is this voice slot theory? I dont think I have heard that one before.

By the time the next Smash comes around we'll have moved past Gen 8 so I wouldn't consider it a shoo-in for the next Smash

I agree. There is a reason we dont have a gen 3 nor a gen 5 pokemon in the game.

 

[Guynamednelson]

What is this voice slot theory? I dont think I have heard that one before.

People hoping that if CP11 doesn't make the voice test menu a perfect square the game will cause Switches to explode.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I don't think I ever said this here on SmashBoards, but getting AT LEAST 1 Pokemon per Gen would be great.

As FreeFox just said, we have no rep for Gens 3 and 5.

While I have my personal preferences, I doubt those gens would get reps anytime soon.

 

[Gengar84]

On a similar note of questionable eligibility for Smash, how does everyone here feel about Dynasty Warriors characters? They are heavily fictionalized versions of real historical figures so I can see an argument either way. If they are deemed eligible, I think there is a very good chance we could get someone from those games for the final DLC (preferably Lu Bu).

 

[Theguy123]

What is this voice slot theory? I dont think I have heard that one before.

Voice slot theory is basically since there’s no more slots for voices in the voice section in smash it means the last character is gonna be mute.

It worked for pass 1. When here released there was 4 slots left with 3 characters remaining meaning 1 was gonna have an alt and it came true. We got terry, banjo and then byleth took the other 2 slots because they had a male and female alt.

So far it’s worked for pass 2 as well but I can’t explain pass 2 as well as pass 1. Someone else probably can.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Honestly if the voice slot theory is true, meaning that if CP11 really is mute, I'm betting on her:

 

[Dukefire]

Frisk seems possible and Toby Fox is ok. Still, with the DLC about to wrap up months from now, Indie characters are more on the unsure side for smash speculation.

Again, there is another potential Smash title if the requested character(s) doesn't make it for Ultimate's roster.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

You know, the Fighter Spirit Square also has just one slot left. Meaning if we’re still talking about voice theory making the last fighter mute, then they also shouldn’t come with an alt.

 

[Theguy123]

If mute theory is real then like 80% of characters are deconfirmed lol which is quite upsetting if I’m honest. Narrows it down quite a lot since they literally wouldn’t say anything. Not even a tiny reaction to a punch, kick, shot etc. They’d just do nothing. I hope the theory is wrong.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Let me remind you guys that when Smash 4’s DLC ended, neither the CSS nor SSS were perfect squares. Not sure about music or voices though

 

[GilTheGreat19]

You know, the Fighter Spirit Square also has just one slot left. Meaning if we’re still talking about voice theory making the last fighter mute, then they also shouldn’t come with an alt.

Then no Chara alt for Frisk
L

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Eh, let’s humor this “last character has to be mute” theory. Who could fit that?

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Eh, let’s humor this “last character has to be mute” theory. Who could fit that?

Excluding grunts and all that

10 Video Game Heroes Who Don't Say A Word

Gamers have been treated to fantastic silent protagonists whose biggest strength often comes not from the things that they say, but what they don't.

gamerant.com

 

[Sucumbio]

So this question has probably been asked before but who’s is everyone’s top 5 safe picks (picks that are highly likely) for the last spot.

A new Pokemon (35%)

An additional character from Metroid/Bayonetta/Inkling/Zelda/any other franchise not Pokemon getting a new game in 21-22 release cycle (20%)

A character from Shin Megami Tensei (15%)

A new third party rep is Crash Bandicoot/Kratos etc. (20%)

A character not in the previous four categories (10%)

 

[Rie Sonomura]

We also know rows can be added to the voice and fighter spirits

let’s go the opposite: someone who can fill that last row AND A WHOLE NEW ROW IN ONE GO with alts alone

assuming that’s possible?

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Eh, let’s humor this “last character has to be mute” theory. Who could fit that?

I’m just saying…

 

[Dukefire]

I could somewhat agree with voice theory, but I'm not on it completely as Sakurai has proven many leaks and theories being wrong.