Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[pupNapoleon]

I don't think we will get Dagaux since Fp2 seems to have been decided mid to late 2019 and ring fit received a spirit event in march 2020 (if Dragaux was planned, I think they would've just held onto the spirits like 3 houses, especially with how close the event was to the arms reveal).. They sat on 3 houses spirits from july 2019 to jan 2020 but the ring fit event followed most other promo spirits (with the event a few months after their game released) which indicates, to me anyway, that a ring fit rep wasn't in the running.

I think they'll sit on Ring Fit til smash 6, then add the trainees in base (maybe even replacing Wii Fit Trainer)

As for me, I'm leaning towards:

1. King Boo (no Lm3 spirit event, despite games releasing after it getting events, makes me feel like something is happening or that nintendo saw a event as not worth it due to most of the big stuff already being present)
2. Waluigi (a 1st party that can be both a shill, for two games might I add, and have some demand behind it seems like a pretty good way to end things)
3. Ayumi (considered in the past and a release this year makes her an obvious pick to me. I mean, if Corrin can be revealed in dec 2015 and his game released in june 2015 (and early 2016 in some regions), there is pretty much nothing stopping Ayumi from repeating that).
4. Emmi (if the last character is a december release, Dread would release before it so there wouldn't be any character before the game issues)
5. Andy (Kind of the same as Emmi, but since Advance wars this year is a remake Nintendo could view the character as already out)
6. gen 4 pokemon (Arceus + the remakes give Nintendo a good reason to add a pull a pokemon from that gen)

If I had to pick, I would say Waluigi is the next most likely (with King Boo and Ayumi close behind).

So... Ring Fit Adventure (2019) is too new for a character, but a character that makes its premier in late 2021, is not too new?

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Honestly, I don’t like the idea of Emmi being a fighter, its a soulless robot with an appearance in one Metroid game. Sylux at least has 2 games and is being teased for Prime 4.

As an assist, I think an Emmi would be cool, but it’d be a pretty lame fighter imo.

 

[Perkilator]

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New MonolithSoft title to be announed later this year

 

[SharkLord]

Honestly, I don’t like the idea of Emmi being a fighter, its a soulless robot with an appearance in one Metroid game. Sylux at least has 2 games and is being teased for Prime 4.

As an assist, I think an Emmi would be cool, but it’d be a pretty lame fighter imo.

I'm personally reserving judgement until we see all the different EMMIs and/or any other mechanisms in Dread we could merge them into. We know there's multiple of them, but I'm not sure if they have any different abilities that could be used for a moveset.

 

[Perkilator]

I'm personally reserving judgement until we see all the different EMMIs and/or any other mechanisms in Dread we could merge them into. We know there's multiple of them, but I'm not sure if they have any different abilities that could be used for a moveset.

I'm pretty sure the yellow one in the trailer had, like, a super speed ability.

 

[Ivander]

Honestly, I don’t like the idea of Emmi being a fighter, its a soulless robot with an appearance in one Metroid game. Sylux at least has 2 games and is being teased for Prime 4.

As an assist, I think an Emmi would be cool, but it’d be a pretty lame fighter imo.

Well we have to wait and see what happens with Emmi, considering they can always pull the "saving you at the end" deal like with the Baby Metroid in Super(and Samus Returns) and the SA-X in Fusion.

Also Sylux only has the one game. They cameo in Prime 3 and Federation Force and they are or were planned for Prime 4, but so far, Hunters is the only game to actively feature Sylux.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

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— ニンテンドーエブリー Nintendo EVERY (@nintendoevery) July 14, 2021

New MonolithSoft title to be announed later this year

Watch it be a Xenoblade fighting game of characters from all three games.

 

[SNEKeater]

That website seems to be basing their whole article in this leak from 3 months ago, which I'm sure this thread already discussed back then

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[pupNapoleon]

I see. Well, I suppose it also depends on the options of moveset. I assume you picked that particular character for a reason.

I picked Dragaux because I think he is the most memorable character from the game, and while I don't think that boxart is the end all- particularly for a new series that has to explain what it is solely through the boxart... Dragaux is the focal point. He has the biggest personality of the game (by far), and also the most unique silhouette, which we know used to be of huge consideration for the game, particularly in Smash 3DS.
I also think it would be easy for Dragaux to do anything the Adventurer does, though not vice versa (short of sucking and propelling... which would be an odd focal point for Adventurer, making its gameplay nothing like the point of the series). Moveset wise- some sort of flex (maybe a disable, or a buff), a crate throw, utilizing his workout equipment buds, and even various exercises. I could in fact see him using the Ring itself for certain moves, even if that is against the game a bit.
Also, as far as actually being practical for sales- big bro dragon, or redundant looking average human who holds a driving wheel?

But if they pick Balloon fighter, what would they pick for the spirits? Stage? Music? I know there is already a balloon fighter stage so wouldnt it be hard to add some more uniqueness in general?

I don't know enough of the Balloon Fight music, but I do know it has several games, and that it has enough music, particularly with remixes as an option.
I think that it could be a moving stage, with lots of items that fly in (some for attacks, some as gifts), with various other Balloon Fighters coming down to attack. Considering Sonic has courses that are... just about identical, as did Starfox and Metroid for some time, I think there are more possibilities than may first seem available.
As for moveset, though you didn't ask, it would revolve around keeping your balloons afloat. The stats of the fighter would change fully based on having 2, 1, or 0 balloons. One special would be inflate, I think the up special would just be a parachute (in case of losing all balloons in air... it only gives as much upward propulsion as a single Ice Climber up special... but it allows a gentle glide down). The other specials would probably have to have liberties taken- such as a big balloon pop, the return of the flipper (which would make sense for creating on screen, aerial havoc), a gift present, balloons that fly up and block your opponent, etc.

 

[Guynamednelson]

practical for sales

That's actually WHY I would expect a Ring Fit rep to wait until next game-the audience for fitness games is just TOO casual to bother with fighting game DLC.

 

[DittoInDisguise]

So... Ring Fit Adventure (2019) is too new for a character, but a character that makes its premier in late 2021, is not too new?

I never said Ring Fit was too new, I said the recency of it's spirit event (along with it matching the timeline of other promo 1st party spirit events) makes a character unlikely. I feel the same about Links Awakening and a Gen 8 pokemon, for example.

Also, I don't think Emmi (who I assume is the one you are talking about) is likely, just a possibility.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Well we have to wait and see what happens with Emmi, considering they can always pull the "saving you at the end" deal like with the Baby Metroid in Super(and Samus Returns) and the SA-X in Fusion.

Also Sylux only has the one game. They cameo in Prime 3 and Federation Force and they are or were planned for Prime 4, but so far, Hunters is the only game to actively feature Sylux.

Huh, I wasn’t aware Sylux only cameoed in Federation Force. I coulda sworn he had a more active role.

Honestly, if they’re going to the “Special enemy with one big moment” kinda character, I’d rather they just put in an Omega Metroid. Bigger name enemy with more appearances, more importance to the story, and literally has the franchise named after them.

 

[pupNapoleon]

That's actually WHY I would expect a Ring Fit rep to wait until next game-the audience for fitness games is just TOO casual to bother with fighting game DLC.

I really don't expect anything to be held until next game. The argument has only ever been true from Sm4sh to Ultimate, but I am of the complete clarity (I know it is an opinion, but it or a deluxe port are the only two logical options in my eyes) that the next Smash game will be a complete turn from a large roster.

I never said Ring Fit was too new, I said the recency of it's spirit event (along with it matching the timeline of other promo 1st party spirit events) makes a character unlikely. I feel the same about Links Awakening and a Gen 8 pokemon, for example.

Also, I don't think Emmi (who I assume is the one you are talking about) is likely, just a possibility.

Just like I didn't believe a spirit disconfirmed Min Min, that Robin's final smash didnt disconfirm Chrom, that Heihachi didn't disconfirm Min Min... insert many more options... I don't think spirit events matter, at all. It makes complete sense to me that they would have spirits for a new game they are promoting, if 18 full months later is when the character was going to come.

 

[spicynun]

I picked Dragaux because I think he is the most memorable character from the game, and while I don't think that boxart is the end all- particularly for a new series that has to explain what it is solely through the boxart... Dragaux is the focal point. He has the biggest personality of the game (by far), and also the most unique silhouette, which we know used to be of huge consideration for the game, particularly in Smash 3DS.
I also think it would be easy for Dragaux to do anything the Adventurer does, though not vice versa (short of sucking and propelling... which would be an odd focal point for Adventurer, making its gameplay nothing like the point of the series). Moveset wise- some sort of flex (maybe a disable, or a buff), a crate throw, utilizing his workout equipment buds, and even various exercises. I could in fact see him using the Ring itself for certain moves, even if that is against the game a bit.
Also, as far as actually being practical for sales- big bro dragon, or redundant looking average human who holds a driving wheel?


I don't know enough of the Balloon Fight music, but I do know it has several games, and that it has enough music, particularly with remixes as an option.
I think that it could be a moving stage, with lots of items that fly in (some for attacks, some as gifts), with various other Balloon Fighters coming down to attack. Considering Sonic has courses that are... just about identical, as did Starfox and Metroid for some time, I think there are more possibilities than may first seem available.
As for moveset, though you didn't ask, it would revolve around keeping your balloons afloat. The stats of the fighter would change fully based on having 2, 1, or 0 balloons. One special would be inflate, I think the up special would just be a parachute (in case of losing all balloons in air... it only gives as much upward propulsion as a single Ice Climber up special... but it allows a gentle glide down). The other specials would probably have to have liberties taken- such as a big balloon pop, the return of the flipper (which would make sense for creating on screen, aerial havoc), a gift present, balloons that fly up and block your opponent, etc.

Interesting thing about Drageaux is he would arguably make half of pass 2 villains which is pretty cool. Though Kazuya of course has been a hero and a villain

 

[SharkLord]

Huh, I wasn’t aware Sylux only cameoed in Federation Force. I coulda sworn he had a more active role.

Honestly, if they’re going to the “Special enemy with one big moment” kinda character, I’d rather they just put in an Omega Metroid. Bigger name enemy with more appearances, more importance to the story, and literally has the franchise named after them.

I mean technically every time Samus busts the EMMIs with the Omega Cannon could be considered a big moment

That being said, I'm still standing by the wait-and-see mentality. We don't know the full extend of the EMMI's lore and role just yet, and it's hard to make guesses off of limited info.

And either way I feel like they're too new regardless, so

 

[Guynamednelson]

It makes complete sense to me that they would have spirits for a new game they are promoting, if 18 full months later is when the character was going to come.

It makes complete sense to me that they choose which events add spirits based on which games aren't getting fighters. Plus, the Ring Fit spirits were all-new content for Smash, unlike Heihachi's costume which was recycled from 4.

 

[pupNapoleon]

It makes complete sense to me that they choose which events add spirits based on which games aren't getting fighters. Plus, the Ring Fit spirits were all-new content for Smash, unlike Heihachi's costume which was recycled from 4.

I don't see why spirits- something that barely matters in the game, but is basically a promotional opportunity- would be held off a year and a half, when more can just be added. It is more than fine for you to feel differently than I do, I'm just gonna run with my track record.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I don't see why spirits- something that barely matters in the game, but is basically a promotional opportunity- would be held off a year and a half, when more can just be added. It is more than fine for you to feel differently than I do, I'm just gonna run with my track record.

Look at how it took until FP2 for a spirit to finally be promoted, for one thing, and she wasn't a DLC spirit.

 

[DittoInDisguise]

Just like I didn't believe a spirit disconfirmed Min Min, that Robin's final smash didnt disconfirm Chrom, that Heihachi didn't disconfirm Min Min... insert many more options... I don't think spirit events matter, at all. It makes complete sense to me that they would have spirits for a new game they are promoting, if 18 full months later is when the character was going to come.

If that made sense, why hold off 3 houses spirits until Byleth? They could've promoted 3 houses with a late july/early august 2019 spirit event then have Byleth in Jan 2020. They didn't do that though, they sat on 3 houses until Byleth released. We also had no arms or Xenoblade based spirit events either, which we know Nintendo wanted but their release dates didn't align.

Meanwhile, Links awakening, Ring Fit, Sword and Shield, Origami king, Age of Calamity, Daemon X Machina, and Bowsers fury all received spirit events within a few months of their releases (except link, which received them several months before) and haven't received fighters. So, it seems to me Nintendo is using spirit events to promote series/games that don't have fighters planned while sitting on spirits from series that have fighters coming or Nintendo may want fighters from.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Look at how it took until FP2 for a spirit to finally be promoted, for one thing, and she wasn't a DLC spirit.

This is going to be a pointless argument. Neither of us is going to change our opinion.

If that made sense, why hold off 3 houses spirits until Byleth? They could've promoted 3 houses with a late july 2019 spirit event then have Byleth in Jan 2020. They didn't do that though, they sat on 3 houses until Byleth released. We also had no arms or Xenoblade based spirit events either, which we know Nintendo wanted but their release dates didn't align.

Meanwhile, Links awakening, Ring Fit, Sword and Shield, Origami king, Age of Calamity, Daemon X Machina, and Bowsers fury all received spirit events within a few months of their releases (except link, which received them several months before) and haven't received fighters. So, it seems to me Nintendo is using spirit events to promote series/games that don't have fighters planned while sitting on spirits from series that have fighters coming.

I'll just note that Ring Fit spirits were four months after the release of the game, and 3 Houses were 6 months after. Meanwhile, waiting until Dragaux would be a full year and a half later than when the spirits came, and a full two years after the game came out. They aren't an equivalent comparison.

But again... we aren't going to change each others minds. I just think very few things disconfirm a character, and that has mostly been correct. One of the few things I do think disconfirms a character is if they have a paid costume DLC.

 

[Perkilator]

This is going to be a pointless argument. Neither of us is going to change our opinion.

So then drop it.

 

[Guynamednelson]

This is going to be a pointless argument. Neither of us is going to change our opinion.

Just admit you're trying to be as contrarian as possible by predicting Dragaux.

 

[DarthEnderX]

plus an original character Legend level Galeem-Waluigi

No...Wagooigi.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Just admit you're trying to be as contrarian as possible by predicting Dragaux.

I'm not. Dragaux isn't even a character I want. I just don't agree with you, and find your argument illogical. But as Perkilator (a bit rudely) said, I'm not discussing it anymore. It will happen or it wont.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

If the new MonolithSoft game is a new IP, that'd be cool.

I'll take a Xenoblade 3 or Xenoblade X 2 or something, though.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

No...Wagooigi.

Wawaluigi.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

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The 4th viable color, that shade of purple, DOES have a strikingly similar shade of purple as King Boo's Crown Gem.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

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— ニンテンドーエブリー Nintendo EVERY (@nintendoevery) July 14, 2021

New MonolithSoft title to be announed later this year

please be X DE please be X DE PLEASE BE X DE

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Is it still wrong for me to wanting Waluigi staying an assist because he's pretty much the poster boy of assists not to mention him staying as such represents his loser status in the style of **** Dastardly and Robbie Rotten.

Think of all the fun fanart pouring on all of his misfortune that'll be missed. No one represents it better then Waluigi does.

This one is especially my favorite. xD

Spoiler

Otherwise I'm settled on him being in Smash 6, just let the fun remain while it lasts until next game.

So you don't want him in Ultimate.......to laugh at all the Waluigi fans?

Is that what I'm getting here?

 

[dream1ng]

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— ニンテンドーエブリー Nintendo EVERY (@nintendoevery) July 14, 2021

New MonolithSoft title to be announed later this year

People don't follow the links huh

That website seems to be basing their whole article in this leak from 3 months ago, which I'm sure this thread already discussed back then

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More attention needs to be paid to this^

The Monolith game will be seen eventually but this stems from the three month old claims of a resetera user, little of which seems to have panned out so far.

 

[Gengar84]

If the new MonolithSoft game is a new IP, that'd be cool.

I'll take a Xenoblade 3 or Xenoblade X 2 or something, though.

I’d be excited to play almost anything they come up with. My favorite is still the original Xenoblade but all the games have been fun in their own way. If we do get X-2 and they have a returning cast, that gives Yuna Elma a great shot for the next Smash.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Watch it be a Xenoblade fighting game of characters from all three games.

You say it like it's a bad thing.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

So you don't want him in Ultimate.......to laugh at all the Waluigi fans?

Is that what I'm getting here?

I feel like his point was less that he wanted to laugh at Waluigi fans, and more to laugh at Waluigi himself.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I feel like his point was less that he wanted to laugh at Waluigi fans, and more to laugh at Waluigi himself.

Either way, it's not exactly the best thing to say

"Hey, let's NOT put this guy in because it'll be funny."

Even if he didn't mean it, he still ends up mocking Waluigi fans.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Appropriate mods for the recent events.

 

[Ivander]

I mean technically every time Samus busts the EMMIs with the Omega Cannon could be considered a big moment

That being said, I'm still standing by the wait-and-see mentality. We don't know the full extend of the EMMI's lore and role just yet, and it's hard to make guesses off of limited info.

And either way I feel like they're too new regardless, so

I mean, if the Emmi's design was around when the Fighter Pass 2 roster was decided around 2018, that would make Emmi a very early picked character, probably more early than Byleth or Greninja. But that's what makes it very unlikely for the EMMI to be picked when they were more than likely still very early concept art.

That said, all we really know about the EMMI is that they are Galactic Federation robots that were originally research robots and that the Federation sent a whole group of them to search for the supposed X-Parasites that survived, then they lost contact with the EMMI, and now the EMMI have supposedly gone rogue, whether by being tampered with or because of a flaw in their programming. So anything is possible after that point.

But I'm just saying, it wouldn't be surprising if an EMMI was chosen for the "saved by the enemy" moment that the 2D Metroids(including the recent Samus Returns) like to evoke.

 

[FreeFox]

Appropriate mods for the recent events.

I am waiting for Mario and the rest of the smash characters to be modded into Nick´s game so the whole thing has reached full circle.

 

[kylexv]

Pic of the Day:

1983年のきょう､ファミリーコンピュータ(Family Computer)発売!!
初期版はボタンが丸ではなくて四角でゴム製｡私も四角版を持っていました｡
白にえんじのボディでしたが､2年後に出た海外版のNintendo Entertainment Systemでは灰色に｡
語れることが多すぎる､名機です｡#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/uFVUlADD91

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) July 15, 2021

The Famicom turns 38 today!

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Pic of the Day:

1983年のきょう､ファミリーコンピュータ(Family Computer)発売!!
初期版はボタンが丸ではなくて四角でゴム製｡私も四角版を持っていました｡
白にえんじのボディでしたが､2年後に出た海外版のNintendo Entertainment Systemでは灰色に｡
語れることが多すぎる､名機です｡#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/uFVUlADD91

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) July 15, 2021

The Famicom turns 38 today!

Today in 1983, Family Computer is released !! In the initial version, the buttons were not round but square and made of rubber. I also had a square version. It had a white body, but it turned gray in the overseas version of the Nintendo Entertainment System that came out two years later. It is a famous machine that can be talked about too much. #Smash Bros SP

 

[SneakyLink]

Pic of the Day:

1983年のきょう､ファミリーコンピュータ(Family Computer)発売!!
初期版はボタンが丸ではなくて四角でゴム製｡私も四角版を持っていました｡
白にえんじのボディでしたが､2年後に出た海外版のNintendo Entertainment Systemでは灰色に｡
語れることが多すぎる､名機です｡#スマブラSP pic.twitter.com/uFVUlADD91

— 桜井 政博 / Masahiro Sakurai (@Sora_Sakurai) July 15, 2021

The Famicom turns 38 today!

I guess now we're playing with power!

Also love how R.O.B. has the original NES and Famicom text on the front. Details like this make me appreciate Smash more and more somedays.