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Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

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I kinda beg to differ. He isnt a lock, but he sure has demand
I was actually present for that. I know for a fact that his demand was middling, because I was part of it. And especially through ultimate, it was only getting smaller because of the surging of dante and resident evil. This little sect right here is the biggest this has ever been. And it's still not even that big.

But hey, believe what you want.
 

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I remember I felt dismay at one part of Nickelodeon Kart in some playthroughs I watched for the smell of it: the characters don't really... react or say anything at all. And if this trailer to Nickelodeon All Stars is anything to go by, that seems to be the case this time around as well. How can you have so many iconic characters and not have them say some funny lines in reaction to getting punched in the face? Licensing or inability to get the proper VAs?
I’d imagine that Nickelodeon just doesn’t consider it high enough of a priority to go through all of the work (and budget) to hire all of the VA’s for games like these. At least we’ll be able to clearly see the characters’ facial expressions when they get hit in a game like this, though.
 

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There is absolutely zero reason to think AA is a blip as far as smash goes, and this false narrative that's been built up is extremely dangerous.
Without intruding on the actual debate between you too, what is exactly so dangerous about it? XD it's fricking speculation about the next Smash Bros. character jeez, nobody's go crazy because they end up believing some Smash misinformation.
 

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Without intruding on the actual debate between you too, what is exactly so dangerous about it? XD it's fricking speculation about the next Smash Bros. character jeez, nobody's go crazy because they end up believing some Smash misinformation.
The dangerous part is the overkilling belief that he must be happening. That's already lead to toxicity elsewhere, so my aim is to disprove the things that make him "likely" to tone things down. Otherwise we end up with another Dante situation.

I'm not here to dictate what everyone should think. I'm just here to point out why you shouldn't expect it or even think it's likely to those willing to listen. I'm not about to try and change people's minds.
 
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I remember I felt dismay at one part of Nickelodeon Kart in some playthroughs I watched for the smell of it: the characters don't really... react or say anything at all. And if this trailer to Nickelodeon All Stars is anything to go by, that seems to be the case this time around as well. How can you have so many iconic characters and not have them say some funny lines in reaction to getting punched in the face? Licensing or inability to get the proper VAs?

The muted purple colours beyond the statistical range look very, very similar to the purple in Waluigi's hat and sweater, especially the second one. Maybe some of these blue colours could work for the SMTV protag, too.
It’s also pretty much exactly Gengar’s color.
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I’d imagine that Nickelodeon just doesn’t consider it high enough of a priority to go through all of the work (and budget) to hire all of the VA’s for games like these. At least we’ll be able to clearly see the characters’ facial expressions when they get hit in a game like this, though.
Generally these brand games are usually shovelware (especially Smash-likes). It seems a lot of hype has been built up for this game because of the devs and an actual interest in making a good online experience.
 

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I was actually present for that. I know for a fact that his demand was middling, because I was part of it. And especially through ultimate, it was only getting smaller because of the surging of dante and resident evil. This little sect right here is the biggest this has ever been. And it's still not even that big.

But hey, believe what you want.
I don’t think popularity Should even be looked at to determine if a character has a high or low chance of getting in these days.

Byleth was literally chosen during FE3H’s development meaning it wasn’t a fan pick and Incineroar was chosen when Pokémon sun and moon wasn’t even finished as well (I think) meaning it wasn’t even a popular choice.

The demand for a character doesn’t mean anything these days. Dunno why anyone’s looking into popularity
 

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I don’t think popularity Should even be looked at to determine if a character has a high or low chance of getting in these days.

Byleth was literally chosen during FE3H’s development meaning it wasn’t a fan pick and Incineroar was chosen when Pokémon sun and moon wasn’t even finished as well (I think) meaning it wasn’t even a popular choice.

The demand for a character doesn’t mean anything these days. Dunno why anyone’s looking into popularity
That's not the point. Demand is part of it, but not the whole thing. Banjo got in via ballot demand, so it DOES matter to an extent. I'm not claiming at all that it "always matters".

The point is that without motion in Ace Attorney prior to literally this year, Phoenix relies on that demand, since otherwise there's not going to be interest in it on Nintendo's end. That's how he gets in, since nothing happened in the franchise for several years.
 

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Well, here's all the mathematically possible colors for Challenger Pack 11!



The difference between this and last time is... I decided to show everything rather than trying to simplify it myself. While this might look like the rainbow (which, it kinda does tbh), I think you could maybe look at some of those colors and boil it down.

Like, my first observation is the first three bottom colors that exist outside the statistical range kinda' look like duplicates of the last three bottom ones. Even though they technically have different values (which is why they are listed separately), they look so similar, you could just eliminate them and there'd be no difference imo.

But.... yeah. Decided to do this approach. Let me know what ya'll think about that.
Alright since the colours this time are mostly blue and TimeSplitters often uses the colour blue and occasionally a shade of purple as shown below.

TimeSplitters 1 menu.jpg

TimeSplitters 2 menu.jpg

TimeSplitters Future Perfect Menu.jpg

This is yet another theory that supports Sgt. Cortez. Fantastic!

Time to Split!

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I don’t think popularity Should even be looked at to determine if a character has a high or low chance of getting in these days.

Byleth was literally chosen during FE3H’s development meaning it wasn’t a fan pick and Incineroar was chosen when Pokémon sun and moon wasn’t even finished as well (I think) meaning it wasn’t even a popular choice.

The demand for a character doesn’t mean anything these days. Dunno why anyone’s looking into popularity
Popularity sure can help, it definitely did with Banjo, K. Rool and Ridley

It isn't the sole determinant, end all be all factor though
 
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Well, here's all the mathematically possible colors for Challenger Pack 11!



The difference between this and last time is... I decided to show everything rather than trying to simplify it myself. While this might look like the rainbow (which, it kinda does tbh), I think you could maybe look at some of those colors and boil it down.

Like, my first observation is the first three bottom colors that exist outside the statistical range kinda' look like duplicates of the last three bottom ones. Even though they technically have different values (which is why they are listed separately), they look so similar, you could just eliminate them and there'd be no difference imo.

But.... yeah. Decided to do this approach. Let me know what ya'll think about that.
Was Sephiroth's colour mathematically possible based on the prior colours?
 

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I can't believe you've still missed the point. I literally already discussed why Banjo was picked, and you keep ignoring it. Get it through your head already.

And if you would actually read my post, you'd already know that I'm only using Capcom's interest as a baseline for how much interest Nintendo themselves would have. If Capcom themselves didn't have any big plans or motion in the series in 2018-2019, why would Nintendo have interest to the point of a smash character themselves? Four years is a long time, especially when two smash DLC cycles happened in that space. There is absolutely zero reason to think AA is a blip as far as smash goes, and this false narrative that's been built up is extremely dangerous.

I'd like to iterate I'm not dissuading people from wanting Phoenix or thinking it could happen. All I'm doing is disproving the reasons why he's "likely" or "a top contender", because he really isn't. He never had the demand, nor the motion in the series to make it happen, and The Great Ace Attorney localization isn't bound to change that either, because, again, it's a localization of a 6 year old game and its sequel. Not a new thing. It's like saying Porky's a lock because of Mother 3 happening to get a localization.
By your own logic, Metroid shouldnt have gotten two new characters. Around smash ultimate´s development, the last 3 games in the franchise all bombed. Then, we have the whole fiasco and developmet hell that metroid prime 4 is currently in. They missed the anniversary of metroid and didnt even get any recognition from Nintendo (not even a mention). I could easily say that Nintendo doesnt care about the franchise going by your exact logic.

And I am sure, this will be the point, where you mention popularity which as has been said by many other posters whose posts you seem to have missed, AA and Phoenix Wright have.

Its still one of Capcom´s top contenders based on what has been deconfirmed. your reasoning is rather poor. You havent proven much of anything at all. There isnt one ruler that can measure every single character chosen. No one size fits all kind of situation.

Also, there is some real irony that I am not sure you are seeing in your attempts to try to put AA down.
-Niche Franchise
-Hasnt had a game in years
-Small sales
-Making the argument that companies will always pick their bigger IPs first.

My reaction every time you make one of those posts:
 

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It was a darker shade of the greenish blue of the color background for Byleth
Actually, it's not...? It's a darker shade of cyan. You can go ahead and test this out yourself.

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Again... Metroid got more characters because there was demand for it. Pretty hefty demand.

And I haven't missed that AA has some popularity. It's just not big at all, and never was. There was some demand at the time of the ballot, but it kinda fell off hard when Ryu was confirmed.
 
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Well, here's all the mathematically possible colors for Challenger Pack 11!



The difference between this and last time is... I decided to show everything rather than trying to simplify it myself. While this might look like the rainbow (which, it kinda does tbh), I think you could maybe look at some of those colors and boil it down.

Like, my first observation is the first three bottom colors that exist outside the statistical range kinda' look like duplicates of the last three bottom ones. Even though they technically have different values (which is why they are listed separately), they look so similar, you could just eliminate them and there'd be no difference imo.

But.... yeah. Decided to do this approach. Let me know what ya'll think about that.
NGL I still don’t understand what all this means. Anyone wanna give me the run down to what this means.
 

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I got Sephiroth's exact color by getting the color's hex code: #374A4B

The color is called "Limed Spruce" and NessAtc is correct: It's a darker shade of light blue:

Have a look:
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It's actually a darker shade of cyan, which is an important distinction, but thank you anyway.
 

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That is incredibly strange. DMC and RE sell gangbusters.

Also, Street Fighter is something they see as a big IP? As a fighting game nerd I’m gonna scream given how little support Capcom has been showing the FGC compared to how much they used to.
I feel like this came from 3 years ago lol

Season 5 is amazing, all the new characters have been fun and great picks. SF5 still has that pre-come back musky aura comeback but they really brought it back from what it was at launch, SF6 will probably be much better than 5. it's a big ip.

I wouldn't say "dying", but I can see how they've gone downhill recently.
the more you look into it the worse it get's. i'll give them a few years but it's incredibly unlikely they'll be able to stay in business without being bought out but at the same time all the talent left and their ip's are al dead, who would want to buy them? it's pretty sad but i can't say not deserved, they decide to chase mobile and ignore the switch when it launched, which is probably going to be at least in the top 3 best selling consoles of all time. even in 2017 it was a huge hit, their decision there ruined them. they also oversaturated all their ip's and led them to an early grave, their business model is based on having "the next big thing" but their weird dungeon crawler thing didn't go to the lengths of yokai, inazuma eleven or layton. now they're banking themselves on ni no kuni.
 
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Well, here's all the mathematically possible colors for Challenger Pack 11!



The difference between this and last time is... I decided to show everything rather than trying to simplify it myself. While this might look like the rainbow (which, it kinda does tbh), I think you could maybe look at some of those colors and boil it down.

Like, my first observation is the first three bottom colors that exist outside the statistical range kinda' look like duplicates of the last three bottom ones. Even though they technically have different values (which is why they are listed separately), they look so similar, you could just eliminate them and there'd be no difference imo.

But.... yeah. Decided to do this approach. Let me know what ya'll think about that.
Maybe one of the lighter blues could go to Sora?
 

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Actually, it's not...? It's a darker shade of light blue. You can go ahead and test this out yourself.


Again... Metroid got more characters because there was demand for it. Pretty hefty demand.

And I haven't missed that AA has some popularity. It's just not big at all, and never was. There was some demand at the time of the ballot, but it kinda fell off hard when Ryu was confirmed.
Exactly my point. Metroid got more content despite what could be perceived as indifference to the series. Glad we are on the same page for once. AA can get in using the exact same logic. That is my point. You cant apply rules to one series and then when shown with an example in a similar position say nope.

Also, you didnt seem to address the irony.

3? If you're counting Samus Returns it was actually pretty successful considering it was released when the 3ds was on it's last legs, we wouldn't have gotten Dread without it
I heard the game didnt perform as well as it could. It doesnt help that Nintendo killed a fan made project called AM2R (which like Samus returns, was a remake of the same game as Samus returns).


Though it seems like Dread has helped the game get new life:

 

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I mean, Cooking Mama is the same category as far as Ace Attorney and Professor Layton are discussed (and Shantae, once upon a time)...minus the genre.
I heard the game didnt perform as well as it could. It doesnt help that Nintendo killed a fan made project called AM2R (which like Samus returns, was a remake of the same game as Samus returns).
This seems to be said with a bit of disdain...but clearly Nintendo would shut down a fan made project of a game they are currently making, themselves.
 
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correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Fate use like historical figures or something like that?
A lot of the characters share a name and some light inspiration but are otherwise completely unique. By this logic Marth would be discounted as his Japanese name Mars, is the Roman god of War. Or Palutena, who is very blatantly inspired by Athena. Or Joker seeing as how Arsene was originally created by a French Author in the early 1900s.
So I'd argue that they are Fate original characters and the idea that being based on a historical or mythological figure makes a character ineligible for Smash is blatantly ridiculous. However, I don't see a Fate character as being at all likely, because it isn't really a video game franchise. Fate feels like a loophole for the "Video Game characters only fan rule" because it technically started as a video game franchise. But I'd argue a videogame franchise means that it made its biggest cultural impact in the video game industry, which is not really the case for Fate. And even the first game wasn't really a game either, it was a visual novel, that, unlike Ace Attorney, FDC or Danganronpa, never really justified itself as such. Its premise and world were probably better suited to an RPG, so it's quite fitting that most of its success came from its anime adaptations. And if Nintendo wants to add a non videogame character, then they don't need a loophole, they can add whoever they want (provided they're willing to pay the licensing), so why would they add a Fate character of all things?
 

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Exactly my point. Metroid got more content despite what could be perceived as indifference to the series. Glad we are on the same page for once. AA can get in using the exact same logic. That is my point. You cant apply rules to one series and then when shown with an example in a similar position say nope.

Also, you didnt seem to address the irony.
I'm not doing what you're saying I'm doing. Metroid and Ace Attorney are not in similar positions to each other, because Ace Attorney is resurging only now, while Metroid began resurging in 2016 with Federation Force. AA is also not owned by Nintendo, which you seem to have missed.

You're also equating the demand for Ridley with the demand for Phoenix Wright. If you did that back in 2013-18, you'd probably be getting your ass blasted. I have never seen such an inequal comparison.

Also, I do see "the irony", but it doesn't really exist?
 

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Though it seems like Dread has helped the game get new life:
Dread will give the whole series new life.

the expectation for it imo is for it to be the bestselling game

especially since it's the launch game for the OLED (which admittedly is only like a halfstep above not being a launch game for anything but still, it counts maybe) and also metroidvanias are popular now, and also it's the first new and good Metroid game since prime 3.
 

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Looked back at the colors Martin's statistics have come up with.
The first one, the one that resembles yellow/gold, reminds me of this:
The hex codes are close too:

The RGBs for their hex codes, when compared, are close to one another:


^This picture: I picked the area to the right of his nose: "Hokey Pokey" RBG 198 190 43
Martin's yellow: "Sundance" RGB 199 183 90

With the exception of the levels of blue, the levels of red and green in both the shade of Hokey Pokey I used and the shade of Sundance Martin got are incredibly similar.
 
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Looked back at the colors Martin's statistics have come up with.
The first one, the one that resembles yellow/gold, reminds me of this:
The hex codes are close too:

The RGBs for their hex codes, when compared, are close to one another:


^This picture: I picked the area to the right of his nose: "Hokey Pokey" RBG 198 190 43
Martin's yellow: "Sundance" RGB 199 183 90
Ehhh, kinda feel like that's a stretch. Plus the original colour for Nocturne IS red.
 

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I actually haven't! I really need to though because I love the weapon fusion systems in Dark Cloud.
Good news, I just checked and it looks like it’s still on sale on the PlayStation Store for just $7.50. Now is as good a time as any to give it a shot. 😊
 
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