Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Gengar84]

Does Necron from Final Fantasy IX count as a god? It definitely seemed god-like at least. Same for Yu Yevon from X (although I think Yu Yevon was originally human if I remember correctly).

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

His Baby Mama drops him in next.

His wut?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Oh right it’s Tuesday

we either get Kazuya’s official tourney, a generic themed spirit event, or new Spirits

…tbh I kinda wish they’d continue to add new spirits after the last character drops

 

[Knight Dude]

His wut?

Jun. The mother of his kid.

 

[Schnee117]

The only issue here is MK Gods aren't exactly the most powerful Gods to ever be created in our wide history of mythos. MK 'Gods' power doesn't really seem all that impressive. Like...they feel like baby's first Gods. Pit Raiden against Thor. God against God. Thor gunna massacre Raiden.

Gods are Gods, doesn't matter how strong or weak they are
it just proves that "God Killer" isn't an impressive feat lol

 

[Perkilator]

In fact, beyond SMT, what would even fit for this idea?

Maybe Sora, since they're specifically deities of evil light and everlasting darkness?

 

[ZelDan]

Honestly, killing gods/god-tier enemies is a fairly common thing in video games. God-slaying for JRPG characters in particular is just another typical monday for them at this point.

Hell, even 10 year old children from the Pokemon games have been dealing with godlike Pokemon since the 3rd generation.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Can we count Ness and Lucas as god killers?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Can we count Ness and Lucas as god killers?

Ness, definitely. Lucas… jury’s out on that one

 

[ZelDan]

Can we count Ness and Lucas as god killers?

I can't speak for Lucas, but for Ness, I'd say we could probably count him.

While Giygas didn't necessailry become a god, per se, he did become the embodiment of evil itself or some ****, which is probably still just as powerful, if not maybe even moreso.

 

[MattX20]

Oh right it’s Tuesday

we either get Kazuya’s official tourney, a generic themed spirit event, or new Spirits

…tbh I kinda wish they’d continue to add new spirits after the last character drops

There's a decent chance they'll continue adding new spirits until the end of 2021.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

There's a decent chance they'll continue adding new spirits until the end of 2021.

You think they'd keep adding spirits after the DLC ends or stop as soon as the last CP is released? I could see it either way, on one hand it shouldn't take that much effort to create new ones but on the other hand I guess there has to be a stopping point somewhere.

 

[Cosmic77]

I think we might get a few Spirits in 2022, but once F11 hits, expect new content to gradually slow down until it stops completely.

 

[7NATOR]

BTW, there's a glitch happening with Mythra after Kazuya got released. The slowdown effect isn't working on Diddy's Banana.

Sakurai please fix I paid 6 dollars for Diddy to be slowed down pic.twitter.com/8aV0Cn5aot

— Cosmos (@CosmosZR) July 5, 2021

Now I don't know if this is going to be one of those "Sometimes a glitch is just a glitch" types of things because it does work on other projectiles, but for the sake of speculation, what potential new characters could come with some kind of slowdown effect to cause this glitch?

Aside from Shadow the Hedgehog because that's way too obvious of an answer.

I want to say that yeah I don't think this would count towards anything. Foresight was directly touched in this patch since it got nerfed in someway, So That makes it more likely that this was just some error on the Team's part

The reason Glitches in the past were so notable was because it affected characters that shouldn't have gotten changed

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I kinda wish they added more new spirit events instead of the copious amounts of generic themed ones last year. Lot of potential, especially for smaller games that had no hope of getting a playable character

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Like with the Mii Costumes, once the final character is revealed, Spirit Events would be looked at a lot more positively since they wouldn't be seen as deconfirmations anymore, but acknowledgements like their original purpose was.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

BTW, there's a glitch happening with Mythra after Kazuya got released. The slowdown effect isn't working on Diddy's Banana.

Sakurai please fix I paid 6 dollars for Diddy to be slowed down pic.twitter.com/8aV0Cn5aot

— Cosmos (@CosmosZR) July 5, 2021

Now I don't know if this is going to be one of those "Sometimes a glitch is just a glitch" types of things because it does work on other projectiles, but for the sake of speculation, what potential new characters could come with some kind of slowdown effect to cause this glitch?

Aside from Shadow the Hedgehog because that's way too obvious of an answer.

Ah man I missed this

just to be clear this ONLY happens with Mythra right? As for which characters could come with that slowdown effect, no idea

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

I was right. I predicted that the Switch Pro would follow the path of 3D All Stars. Leaked to hell and back, and the leaks would make people's expectations go to the moon. When it finally gets revealed and is pretty mediocre, people get mad.

Is it weird that I never expected the 3D Mario games to be released on the same card with touch ups and non-forced motion control (most of the time) for Galaxy, let alone for $60? Compared to last Nintendo products like this, I thought it was a good deal for what it was and am still baffled at the amount of hate it gets, yet Skyward Sword hasn’t received half of it?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Is it weird that I never expected the 3D Mario games to be released on the same card with touch ups and non-forced motion control (most of the time) for Galaxy, let alone for $60? Compared to last Nintendo products like this, I thought it was a good deal for what it was and am still baffled at the amount of hate it gets, yet Skyward Sword hasn’t received half of it?

To be fair SSHD has a Mute Navi button now

that’s all I really care about tbh

 

[Dan Quixote]

I kinda wish they added more new spirit events instead of the copious amounts of generic themed ones last year. Lot of potential, especially for smaller games that had no hope of getting a playable character

Yeah now that "deconfirmations" don't really matter let the team go all out in adding Spirit Board events or Mii costumes to expand the crossover aspect of SSBU as much as humanly possible. There's so many possibilities and it would make everyone happy now that they know fighter DLC is over. Throw a Goku Mii Brawler costume in there at this point dude who cares

 

[Technomage]

Does Necron from Final Fantasy IX count as a god? It definitely seemed god-like at least. Same for Yu Yevon from X (although I think Yu Yevon was originally human if I remember correctly).

Necron does; I'm not sure about Yu Yevon but Sin is god-like.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If we extend the list to god-like beings then:

• Mario & Luigi have fought Dreamy Bowser, who has reality warping powers.
• It's not clear what Tiki Tong is, but he seems to be worshiped like a god, and Donkey Kong bannana slammed the moon into him. Diddy Kong helped.
• Link has fought Demise. Well...not this Link, but eh. Calamity Ganon is kind of at god level as well.
• Fighting eldritch horrors is just Kirby's typical Tuesday. Meta Knight and King Dedede often assist nowadays.
• A lot of Legendary Pokémon have god like powers, and the Pokémon Trainer can straight up own them.
• Spoiler: Earthbound Spoilers

  Ness and his friends didn't necessarily beat Gigas persay, but they did face off against him and live to tell the tale after he self destructed. Granted, it did take the prayer of an extra dimensional being (and also everyone they had met on their travels) in order to make that happen.
• Captain Falcon has faced off against gods before, though F-Zero's entire plot line is canonically fictional.
• Spoiler: Super Paper Mario Spoilers

  Peach and Bowser (along with Mario) have defeated Super Dimentio, who had the power to wipe out existence.
• Basically every Fire Emblem protagonist has fought a god like being capable of destroying everything.
• Pit's entire plot line revolves around evil gods.
• I'm pretty sure Wario has faced against god like beings to steal their treasure on multiple occasions.
• Sonic has faced several gods and won because fast.
• Mega Man has faced off against extraterrestrial robots. Their god status is heavily debatable, but the strongest ones had corruptive energy sources or could accelerate the growth of plants to the point where they die before they spread their seeds. He also beat up Mega Man's Shadow who had attacked the world in its previous state for the sole purpose of finding someone that was powerful enough to stop him from destroying the planet.
• Spoiler: Miitopia Spoilers

  The Miis have fought the Darkest Lord, who I assume is on god status since the Dark Lord was already immensely powerful, and a Darker Lord exists as well.
• Shulk has fought [SPOILERS].
• Ryu has fought several gods before, and if Gill counts as a god, then Ken has fought one as well.
• Bayonetta has fought several gods.
• Joker fights a god at the end of Persona 5.
• Hero probably does too.
• Rex & Pyra/Mythra has squared off against Malos, who is basically a god.
• I'm sure Kazuya fights a god too at some point.

 

[Technomage]

Mega Man defeated a dude named SunGod. Dunno if that counts.

I don't think he counts, since he's an ancient robot built by an ancient civilization.

 

[Dan Quixote]

If we extend the list to god-like beings then:

• Mario & Luigi have fought Dreamy Bowser, who has reality warping powers.
• It's not clear what Tiki Tong is, but he seems to be worshiped like a god, and Donkey Kong bannana slammed the moon into him. Diddy Kong helped.
• Link has fought Demise. Well...not this Link, but eh. Calamity Ganon is kind of at god level as well.
• Fighting eldritch horrors is just Kirby's typical Tuesday. Meta Knight and King Dedede often assist nowadays.
• A lot of Legendary Pokémon have god like powers, and the Pokémon Trainer can straight up own them.
• Ness and his friends didn't necessarily beat Gigas persay, but they did face off against him and live to tell the tale after he self destructed. Granted, it did take the prayer of an extra dimensional being (and also everyone they had met on their travels) in order to make that happen.
• Captain Falcon has faced off against gods before, though F-Zero's entire plot line is canonically fictional.
• Peach and Bowser (along with Mario) have defeated Super Dimentio, who had the power to wipe out existence.
• Basically every Fire Emblem protagonist has fought a god like being capable of destroying everything.
• Pit's entire plot line revolves around evil gods.
• I'm pretty sure Wario has faced against god like beings to steal their treasure on multiple occasions.
• Sonic has faced several gods and won because fast.
• Mega Man has faced off against extraterrestrial robots. Their god status is heavily debatable, but the strongest ones had corruptive energy sources or could accelerate the growth of plants to the point where they die before they spread their seeds. He also beat up Mega Man's Shadow who had attacked the world in its previous state for the sole purpose of finding someone that was powerful enough to stop him from destroying the planet.
• The Miis have fought the Darkest Lord, who I assume is on god status since the Dark Lord was already immensely powerful, and a Darker Lord exists as well.
• Shulk has fought [SPOILERS].
• Ryu has fought several gods before, and if Gill counts as a god, then Ken has fought one as well.
• Bayonetta has fought several gods.
• Joker fights a god at the end of Persona 5.
• Hero probably does too.
• Rex & Pyra/Mythra has squared off against Malos, who is basically a god.
• I'm sure Kazuya fights a god too at some point.

You can tell someone's a Xenoblade Chronicles fan if they only mark spoilers for Xenoblade Chronicles lol

 

[Technomage]

I kinda wish they added more new spirit events instead of the copious amounts of generic themed ones last year. Lot of potential, especially for smaller games that had no hope of getting a playable character

Yeah, it shouldn't be hard to come up with battles and add PNG's. Are those generic events even usefull for anything.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Is it weird that I never expected the 3D Mario games to be released on the same card with touch ups and non-forced motion control (most of the time) for Galaxy, let alone for $60? Compared to last Nintendo products like this, I thought it was a good deal for what it was and am still baffled at the amount of hate it gets, yet Skyward Sword hasn’t received half of it?

Because The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword wasn't sold with a big anti-consumer tactic.

You can tell someone's a Xenoblade Chronicles fan if they only mark spoilers for Xenoblade Chronicles lol

That's the only one I considered to be a spoiler since most of the points were vague or well known (EDIT: Or not that big of a twist), but I think I will go back and spoiler a few.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

To be fair SSHD has a Mute Navi button now

that’s all I really care about tbh

I didn't know Navi was in Skyward Sword?

 

[spicynun]

Is it weird that I never expected the 3D Mario games to be released on the same card with touch ups and non-forced motion control (most of the time) for Galaxy, let alone for $60? Compared to last Nintendo products like this, I thought it was a good deal for what it was and am still baffled at the amount of hate it gets, yet Skyward Sword hasn’t received half of it?

I agree. I never understood the complaints about the price for 3D All Stars considering it would be roughly the same if sold separately going off previous virtual console prices.
Mario 64 - $10
Sunshine - $20
Galaxy $20 or 30 since it has improvements
Now the limited digital edition complaints I completely understand.
Overall, Skyward Sword seems like a much worse deal yet like you said, many aren't giving it the same criticism as 3D All Stars for some reason even though it is only a single touched up wii game for the same price.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I didn't know Navi was in Skyward Sword?

CRAP I meant FI

being sick and sleep deprived does things to your brain

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Is it weird that I never expected the 3D Mario games to be released on the same card with touch ups and non-forced motion control (most of the time) for Galaxy, let alone for $60? Compared to last Nintendo products like this, I thought it was a good deal for what it was and am still baffled at the amount of hate it gets, yet Skyward Sword hasn’t received half of it?

Skyward Sword's not limited time.

Also it's not a collection that omits an obvious addition like Galaxy 2.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I agree. I never understood the complaints about the price for 3D All Stars considering it would be roughly the same if sold separately going off previous virtual console prices.
Mario 64 - $10
Sunshine - $20
Galaxy $20 or 30 since it has improvements
Now the limited digital edition complaints I completely understand.
Overall, Skyward Sword seems like a much worse deal yet like you said, many aren't giving it the same criticism as 3D All Stars for some reason even though it is only a single touched up wii game for the same price.

It's probably because The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword's port isn't really out of the ordinary.

The big hate for Super Mario 3D All Stars is probably a case of "I'm angry about thing, so I'm gonna find more reasons to hate it". Example: While I'm not entirely sure that Gamefreak lied about the "high quality animations" they were making, people expected them to show up in more than just Pokémon Camp, so they nitpicked the animation quality to death (among other things).

 

[Stratos]

In the next Super Smash Bros. game there is a possibility to see maybe Samus with the suit she has in Metroid Dread.

 

[NessAtc.]

I think you're underselling SMT's influence and overall significance. It featured monster catching as its main mechanic a decade before Pokemon, was a pioneer of morality mechanics in games, and was a very early example of an RPG in a modern day/sci-fi setting. Saying that it would only get chosen to promote a new game makes me think you aren't that well informed about it.

I'm actually extremely fond of the franchise myself, I'll have you know. None of these elements are outstanding, though, since SMT itself isn't a hugely notable franchise. Just because a game did something before another, more influential game doesn't mean it inherits influence, either. Pokemon's mechanics were based on children's bug fights in Japan, not Shin Megami Tensei.

Face it, SMT is an extremely niche franchise that has yet to make its proper splash. I really don't see Nintendo going for it to the point they set aside a spot for it.

 

[Technomage]

In the next Super Smash Bros. game there is a possibility to see maybe Samus with the suit she has in Metroid Dread.

Maybe, depending how close MD's release is to Smash 6's.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

In the next Super Smash Bros. game there is a possibility to see maybe Samus with the suit she has in Metroid Dread.

An EMMI Assist Trophy would be amazing

hide from it at all costs or run from it until its allotted time runs out; cannot be KO’d and once it grabs you it’s an instant KO

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Maybe, depending how close MD's release is to Smash 6's.

Probably not that close.

Samus's design will probably be from Metroid Prime 4 or beyond.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

In the next Super Smash Bros. game there is a possibility to see maybe Samus with the suit she has in Metroid Dread.

Yeah, I think that color scheme as an alt is inevitable just like how the Fusion suit became a mainstay in her alts from Brawl onwards.

 

[Stratos]

In Super Smash Bros. 6 we can see a Pokémon from the 8th or 9th generation as a newcomer.

 

[MattX20]

I'm actually extremely fond of the franchise myself, I'll have you know. None of these elements are outstanding, though, since SMT itself isn't a hugely notable franchise. Just because a game did something before another, more influential game doesn't mean it inherits influence, either. Pokemon's mechanics were based on children's bug fights in Japan, not Shin Megami Tensei.

Face it, SMT is an extremely niche franchise that has yet to make its proper splash. I really don't see Nintendo going for it to the point they set aside a spot for it.

Yeah, I'm not expecting FP11 to be for the Demifiend or the SMT5 protagonist. If Nintendo is going to end on a 3rd party character, it's going to be for a character of at least some note like Phoenix Wright for example.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Hopefully Samus gets proper alternate costumes in the next game onwards:

1. Varia Suit
2. Metroid Dread's Suit
3. Light Suit
4. Fusion Suit
5. Dark Suit
6. Phazon Suit
7. Hazard Suit
8. PED Suit

Probably not in that order, but eh.

In Super Smash Bros. 6 we can see a Pokémon from the 8th or 9th generation as a newcomer.

We won't see one from the 8th Generation. With the rate of Pokémon games compared to the rate of Super Smash Bros. games, it's likely that the Pokémon newcomer in the next game will come from at least Generation 10.