Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You know, the funny thing with giving Ganondorf a trident is that outside of Hyrule Warriors, Ganondorf has never used a trident; it's always been a sword or two if anything at all.

The trident is definitely Gannon's weapon so it does make a bit of sense that he's associated with it, but he's never actually used it in cannon.

 

[DarthEnderX]

You know, the funny thing with giving Ganondorf a trident is that outside of Hyrule Warriors, Ganondorf has never used a trident; it's always been a sword or two if anything at all.

The trident is definitely Gannon's weapon so it does make a bit of sense that he's associated with it, but he's never actually used it in cannon.

Well, it's not the real him, but the Phantom Ganondorf in OoT also uses it.

 

[Shroob]

Wasn't it "Pac-Man is in the clouds"?

And then Pac-Man was actually in the base-game?

As Megadoomer said, it's a Brawl thing. It was a conspiracy theory regarding the Subspace Emissary cutscenes.

 

[cothero]

The lead into the last character is really interesting because it feels like we have no guidelines or ideas as to what to expect anymore. That being said, I’m going all in for Waluigi. Not just because he’s my most wanted but also because putting him in as the last character just feels right. It’s just my gut feeling I guess.

Yup, i think we can speculate just for fun at this point, there's really no point trying to guess who's going to be FP11. Al theories went to pieces with Kazuya's inclusion, so the last fighter can virtually be anyone, including characters we thought deconfirmed from franchises that went to spirit events and stuff like that.

 

[MrMcNuts]

Saw a funny comment on an IG post
"FP1 began with a student and ended with a teacher... FP2 started with ARMS and could end with no arms"
Yep, it's time

I'm picking up what you're puttin down

 

[Schnee117]

It's kinda fun that Ubi's getting a surge of discussion now that we're tossing out indirect deconfirmations for the most part. Anyone from the company - Usually Rayman - Would get shot down because of those Miis, so I never really got to see any discussion surrounding them.

While it's still going, I'm curious about Ezio and his weaponry. Any Assassin's Creed fans able to explain his weaponry?

Revelations has most of his gear but I'll go by what he gets game by game.

AC2:

• Good ol' fisticuffs, you can get a glove that enhances this
• He can use one handed swords like a Schiavona, various Falchions from the cities he goes to, basic swords, a Scimitar and Altair's sword is the "Ultimate Sword" so to speak.
• He can use hammers, maces and mauls
• He has various daggers at his disposal
• The Hidden Blade which later gets upgraded so that he has two, one on each arm. Other upgrades include the Poison Blade which kills the foe after a while and the Gun which deals very heavy damage to targets if not outright an instant kill. Hidden Blades entail being able to assassinate from off of a wall and ledges among other places.
• You can also pick up stuff from the floor such as a broom as well as enemy weapons like spears and in later games, rifles.
• He can scatter money to attract guards and peasants to a single area as a distraction
• He can gather up sand and throw it in the foe's faces to stun them
• He also has throwing knives
• He has Smoke Bombs to disorient foes

AC Brotherhood:

• An expanded selection of swords and daggers and hammer types
• He can now carry heavy two handed weapons like Bearded Axes and Stoccos
• He can now use a Crossbow as a quiet alternative to the gun
• There's also poison darts
• He can also get parachutes to make jumping from high places safe
• This game introduces the Assassin Apprentice stuff so he can call in Assassins he's recruited to assist in combat or at 3 full bars, call in a storm of Crossbow bolts that instantly kill all targets
• Ezio is also able to use the Apple of Eden which is a powerful artefact central to the AC series lore. In Brotherhood you get to use one in combat and with it Ezio makes his foes lose their minds and either turn on their allies or outright die in a certain radius around him. Ezio heavily damages himself by doing this however.

AC Revelations:

• Again a further expanded selection of daggers, swords and heavy weapons
• Bombs are vastly expanded upon, you can craft various types either to distract, harm/kill or disorient foes now. Some include caltrops, smearing lamb blood over them, blinding them with phosphorus and a good ol' explosion. You can also set the casing so it explodes on impact, on a fuse, set them as a tripwire or stick them to foes and walls/objects
• Last but not least is the final Hidden Blade upgrade. The Hookblade. It has two parts, the Hook and the Blade. Ezio has further reach using the hook letting him reach longer jumps he wouldn't have otherwise made and can be used to trip foes.

He's also used various contraptions throughout the games in select missions such as Leonardo Da Vinci's Flying Machine, Tank, Bomber, Machine Gun and Naval Cannon

 

[Fluttershy64]

Say, if Waluigi gets added to Smash, who'll be the next super-ultra-mega-hype meme character request (just like Ridley and Waluigi)? Would it be Isaac?

Sora or Geno

 

[Ivander]

While it's still going, I'm curious about Ezio and his weaponry. Any Assassin's Creed fans able to explain his weaponry?

From what I remember:

• From my experience with him in Soulcalibur 5, he has some skill in fighting with his hands and feet, and uses two hidden blades on each of his wrists, knives, a stiletto(a small sword/dagger-like weapon focused on thrusting), a rapier or sword, a crossbow and a hidden pistol. If looking at how he fights gameplay-wise in his games and in SCV, he does have a big focus on "command grabs" or basically, attacks that when they successfully hit, they do an animation attack that does additional damage to the opponent, like an attack-into-throw kind of move.
• From what I remember seeing from a trailer for Assassin's Creed 2, he did use a glider at some point. Mobility-wise, I don't know if he uses a grappling hook of some kind later, but he is capable of very efficient wall-climbing.

Otherwise, aside from his Soulcalibur gameplay, don't really know what else he uses.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Great
Now all this Ezio talk makes me want him

 

[Schnee117]

Ezio's trilogy is one of the best in gaming and people owe it to themselves to play it. He's a fantastic character and the journey he goes on is great. The only caveat is that they're old ass games so there's a lot of jank in them.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Ya know
Ezio is the most popular AC character in Japan…
Just saying.

 

[cothero]

Great
Now all this Ezio talk makes me want him

That would be so ****ing neat. Ubisoft's in, so is pretty possible.

 

[Technomage]

In one of the early Subspace Emissary cutscenes back in Brawl, some people thought that one of the clouds that appeared when the Halberd showed up at the start of the game looked like Ridley, so it was a sign that Ridley was going to be playable along with Bowser and Ganondorf.

The one on the far right.

Oh, I see; though to be honest, that same cloud kinda looks more like Charizard.

 

[N3ON]

Ya know
Ezio is the most popular AC character in Japan…
Just saying.

Ezio is the most popular AC character outside Japan too. But if we got an AC character, it wouldn't be due to Japan.

 

[DanganZilla5]

On one hand, Assassin's Creed no longer is hurt by the Altair costume as we could easily get Ezio who is pretty much the face of the series. But on the other hand, I think Assassin's Creed is too big to be the last spot. I do find it suspect that they made costumes for the Rabbids and Altair but not for Rayman for some reason. That doesn't have to mean that he has to become playable and for all we know he could be costumed on the 28th. After all I'm not expecting a western-centric character to be the last choice and I'm still not very confident in his chances.

For the final character my gut is saying one of these:

• Arle Nadja
• Ayumi
• Reimu
• SMT character
• Falcom rep
• Monokuma
• Phoenix
• Professor Layton

I may be forgetting a couple others but these are the characters I would really bet on. Gun to my head I still say Ayumi or Arle but this could go in any direction.

But please let it be Phoenix, Monokuma or Bill Rizer. Please!

 

[GilTheGreat19]

It could, but it’d be so interesting if the final character was from a completely new company like Falcom. Like, a completely with currently 0 smash content.
Not even a spirit or Mii Costume.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

**** I’ve been championing Ezio for… *checks post history 2 years now.

Have I mentioned that I want Ezio in Smash lately? Because I REALLY want Ezio in Smash.

I'm just saying, if y'all haven't listened to some of the majesty the Assassin's Creed Soundtracks can put out you're missing out HARD.

Spoiler

Like the tracks range from uplifting and hopeful, to adrenaline pumping and bad ass, to down right haunting. Nobody realizes just how much good an Assassin's Creed character would do for this game.

Edit: actually since Altaïr is my favorite Assassin, if we count my propaganda with him in it, it’s been MUCH longer

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Just thinking about this, but I do think Capcom being the only third party company to have no unique newcomers is a bit sus. Now usually you’d hear me being a DMC shill but I have another idea...
Zero from Mega Man X. We don’t have much Mega Man X content other than 3 music tracks and some spirits and it’ll also break the Assist Trophy rule. Plus this theme would likely make it and it’s a banger.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Look


I don't come to Smashboards.com to discuss fetish ****.


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The Squidward photo... JUST... XD

Just thinking about this, but I do think Capcom being the only third party company to have no unique newcomers is a bit sus. Now usually you’d hear me being a DMC shill but I have another idea...
Zero from Mega Man X. We don’t have much Mega Man X content other than 3 music tracks and some spirits and it’ll also break the Assist Trophy rule. Plus this theme would likely make it and it’s a banger.

Well, Zero's X series counterpart is an assist trophy, but if you want to check it out, I have a support thread on Zero's Mega Man Zero series counterpart.

 

[Twilord]

I won't be too surprised if they don't include this as a Mii-Costume, but I can't help thinking this guy would make a great Bandai Mii Costume.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Came in with the hard reads four months ago. This is a reminder that I am always right and you should never ever doubt me ever.

Next character is Amingo. You cannot prove I'm not right.

Say that Hayabusa is coming.

say it now.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Just thinking about this, but I do think Capcom being the only third party company to have no unique newcomers is a bit sus. Now usually you’d hear me being a DMC shill but I have another idea...
Zero from Mega Man X. We don’t have much Mega Man X content other than 3 music tracks and some spirits and it’ll also break the Assist Trophy rule. Plus this theme would likely make it and it’s a banger.

WHAT AM I FIGHTING FOR!?

 

[Shroob]

Say that Hayabusa is coming.

say it now.

What is this wizardry?

 

[DarthEnderX]

Hayabusa is coming!

 

[Inferno7]

Just thinking about this, but I do think Capcom being the only third party company to have no unique newcomers is a bit sus. Now usually you’d hear me being a DMC shill but I have another idea...
Zero from Mega Man X. We don’t have much Mega Man X content other than 3 music tracks and some spirits and it’ll also break the Assist Trophy rule. Plus this theme would likely make it and it’s a banger.

no, don't do that, don't give me hope

 

[cothero]

Every single character: "hey rookie, this is Ultimate, you can't just wavedash!"

Kazuya:

 

[JamesDNaux]

I just played Ass Creed for the first time and I'm in the middle of playing 2 and man, it'd actually be a cool inclusion to Smash, just... after Rayman.

I think the best way to do it would be to pull a Hero and have Altair, Ezio, Connor, and Edward as alts of each other. Maybe collectively call them Desmond.



Anyway, one thing I noticed is that pass 2 has yet to introduce a new company to Smash, it'd be the first round of DLC not to do so, including Smash 4's.

Just food for speculation.

 

[Technomage]

Ass Creed

I know you were just making an abbreviation, but did you know what you just spelled. XD

 

[Shroob]

I know you were just making an abbreviation, but did you know what you just spelled. XD

tbf, everyone calls it Ass Creed.

 

[N3ON]

I think that chart posted earlier with all the character qualities proves that people can draw parallels between characters that weren't done deliberately when they were actually chosen, so I'm pretty skeptical of all these theories trying to mirror the first batch of DLC.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

I just played Ass Creed for the first time and I'm in the middle of playing 2 and man, it'd actually be a cool inclusion to Smash, just... after Rayman.

I think the best way to do it would be to pull a Hero and have Altair, Ezio, Connor, and Edward as alts of each other. Maybe collectively call them Desmond.



Anyway, one thing I noticed is that pass 2 has yet to introduce a new company to Smash, it'd be the first round of DLC not to do so, including Smash 4's.
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Just food for speculation.

Don’t kill me, but TECHNICALLY Pass 2 did
Mojang. Of course though, it’s owned by Microsoft.

 

[JamesDNaux]

Don’t kill me, but TECHNICALLY Pass 2 did
Mojang. Of course though, it’s owned by Microsoft.

Same deal with Atlus and Sega but I obviously mean parent company.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

On one hand, Assassin's Creed no longer is hurt by the Altair costume as we could easily get Ezio who is pretty much the face of the series. But on the other hand, I think Assassin's Creed is too big to be the last spot. I do find it suspect that they made costumes for the Rabbids and Altair but not for Rayman for some reason. That doesn't have to mean that he has to become playable and for all we know he could be costumed on the 28th. After all I'm not expecting a western-centric character to be the last choice and I'm still not very confident in his chances.

For the final character my gut is saying one of these:

• Arle Nadja
• Ayumi
• Reimu
• SMT character
• Falcom rep
• Monokuma
• Phoenix
• Professor Layton

I may be forgetting a couple others but these are the characters I would really bet on. Gun to my head I still say Ayumi or Arle but this could go in any direction.

But please let it be Phoenix, Monokuma or Bill Rizer. Please!

Honestly I think the only reason why Rayman didn't get a mii costume it's because it just couldn't work.

 

[SharkLord]

I just played Ass Creed for the first time and I'm in the middle of playing 2 and man, it'd actually be a cool inclusion to Smash, just... after Rayman.

I think the best way to do it would be to pull a Hero and have Altair, Ezio, Connor, and Edward as alts of each other. Maybe collectively call them Desmond.



Anyway, one thing I noticed is that pass 2 has yet to introduce a new company to Smash, it'd be the first round of DLC not to do so, including Smash 4's.
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Just food for speculation.

When it comes to AC I've only really read through TV Tropes a while back, but I think I remember that the different characters tend to have different weapons from game to game; The two examples I remember are Altair not having all of Ezio's fancy gadgets and Connor being associated with an axe rather than swords or the Hidden Blades. I haven't actually played any of the games, though, so I'm not sure I can give an educated opinion on whether or not a multi-character slot could work.

Then again, we did get Enderman somehow...

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Here’s the pattern I’m seeing for some of these third party companies
First rep they could ge this a super iconic platformer, followed by a staple character of the company, and usually from another game genre.

Capcom - Mega Man then Ryu
Bamco - Pac-Man then Kazuya
SEGA - Sonic then Bayonetta (though one can argue that she isn’t really too much of a staple)
Microsoft - Banjo & Kazooie then Steve

Even though we only have 1 fighter left, Ubisoft could follow my above pattern with two such characters:
Rayman first, Ezio second

I think Rayman's got a higher chance than Ezio, but I digress.

 

[cothero]

Interestingly, Sakurai is really leaning towards a pattern of not adding the obvious characters choices from certain franchises in this pass.

Everybody thought Spring Man would be the Arms rep - it end up being Min Min.
Everybody thought Rex would be the new Xenoblade rep - they added Phythra.
Everybody (me included) thought Heihachi or Jin would be the Tekken reps - Kazuya was the chosen one.

It seems that Sakurai is avoiding to add characters that are already represented in the game in some form, being AT's or mii costumes. Spirit characters have been upgraded to playable fighters, though.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

I’m surprised with all the Ubisoft speculation after the TMNT leak. Thought that would have nipped it right in the bud, seemed pretty cut and dry.

 

[Pillow]

When it comes to AC I've only really read through TV Tropes a while back, but I think I remember that the different characters tend to have different weapons from game to game; The two examples I remember are Altair not having all of Ezio's fancy gadgets and Connor being associated with an axe rather than swords or the Hidden Blades. I haven't actually played any of the games, though, so I'm not sure I can give an educated opinion on whether or not a multi-character slot could work.

Then again, we did get Enderman somehow...

So far Sakurai hasn't cared that much about that kinda thing when it comes to alternate costumes / echoes. You mentioned Enderman, but most of Simon's kit comes from Richter's games, and I believe the DQ boys all have some differences as well between their games.

 

[Technomage]

Interestingly, Sakurai is really leaning towards a pattern of not adding obvious characters from certain franchises in this pass.

Everybody thought Spring Man would be the Arms rep - it end up being Min Min.
Everybody thought Rex would be the new Xenoblade rep - they added Phythra.
Everybody (me included) thought Heihachi or Jin would be the Tekken reps - Kazuya was the chosen one.

It seems that Sakurai is avoiding to add characters that are already represented in the game in some form, being AT's or mii costumes. Spirit characters have been upgraded to playable fighters, though.

Don't forget requirements for too much processor power.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Interestingly, Sakurai is really leaning towards a pattern of not adding obvious characters from certain franchises in this pass.

Everybody thought Spring Man would be the Arms rep - it end up being Min Min.
Everybody thought Rex would be the new Xenoblade rep - they added Phythra.
Everybody (me included) thought Heihachi or Jin would be the Tekken reps - Kazuya was the chosen one.

It seems that Sakurai is avoiding to add characters that are already represented in the game in some form, being AT's or mii costumes. Spirit characters have been upgraded to playable fighters, though.

He did say that he wanted Rex, but it was too complex to have him always on the screen with Pyra/Mythra so he changed that for having them alone. Beside, Heihachi costume was added in pass 2 so I think he could have choose Heihachi but he changed his mind. Honestly I think we can say that mii costume can be upgrade if he want.