Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[RileyXY1]

Really? I see Lloyd’s name thrown a lot.

Mostly due to the fact that he is the only Smash 4 third party Mii Fighter costume that hasn't returned yet.

 

[SharkLord]

Really? I see Lloyd’s name thrown a lot.

And Chosen Undead too, don't forget them. Kinda hard to imagine how they were considered the overlooked darkhorse back in the day.

 

[Shroob]

With how we've seen Square work in regards to Smash, I'd honestly expect Tomb Raider or NieR to get in before Chrono Trigger was ever even brought up, as sad as it is.


They seem way more interested in putting their best foot forward than giving into fan requestsjustasktheGenofans

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

tbh I think a namco character as dlc is another slept on possibility

I really really wish people wouldn’t sleep on a Dark Souls character. I feel like the series is up there as one of Namco-Bandai’s most important and trust me when I say that the music by itself would justify its inclusion. The games are absolutely ****ing packed with some of the most somber and dramatic battle themes I’ve ever heard

Gwyn, Lord of Cinder
Knight Artorias
Gaping Dragon
Executioner’s Chariot
Deacons of the Deep
Abyss Watchers (my personal favorite)
The Soul of Cinder

And that’s just scratching the surface of what the games offer.

The stages of the game could be some of the most jaw dropping of the game.

Spoiler: images

Anor Londo:

Probably one of the most iconic locations in the games. It’s a little hard to forget what you have to go through in this part of the game. No spoilers but I feel like this place is part of the reason Dark Souls has its infamy for being difficult.

Majula:

Majula is what you would consider your hub town in Dark Souls II and while it isn’t exactly anything more than a small coastal town it’s still a very gorgeous location in the game.
Irithyll of the Boreal Valley:

I don’t think there’s any way a photo could do Irithyll justice but this one is the best I could find. This is easily one of the most gorgeous scenes from Dark Souls III and goes down as one of my favorite areas of all of them and is easily my choice for a stage.

I would LOVE if it was a traveling stage that went through multiple locations through Dark Souls III because I feel like DS3 was when they REALLY hit gold with their environment design.

Aside from the somber beauty of the stages there’s also the character to take into account

Spoiler: images again

I think there’s no way they won’t choose the Chosen Undead as the Smash character because of how they actually tie in, not only as the player character, but also as a giant part of the lore. But I also think they won’t just stick with the DS1 design for their alts so here’s my wishlist for their alts:
DS1 Basic Armor

DS2 Basic Armor Faraam:

Dark Souls 3 basic armor:

Solaire Armor:

Catarina Armor:

Knight Artorias Armor:

Soul of Cinder Armor:

Deprived:

And of course, because of how Dark Souls’ Weapon Swapping is, the potential for a moveset is limitless. To the point it can have scythes, swords, staves, daggers, bombs, pyromancy, axes, long swords, stance swapping, and on and on and on.

Seriously though, I am consistently shocked how little people talk about Dark Souls in terms of Namco.

 

[Brother AJ]

Dante is coming, I can feel it and it will be glorious (plz have his DMC2 outfit be an alt costume as unlikely as that is)

Dante would be hella hype, but please for the love of God let him be balanced!

 

[GoodGrief741]

I've always imagined Crono being a bit like Captain Ginyu in FighterZ where he uses Techs and his party members show up to make them into Double or Triple Techs.

I don't even know if it's realistic to expect this given it would require 6 additional models and technically spoil Magus but man. Frog 3D model in the Smash style. Man

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Aside from those, I'd say... Jinx, Lux... maybe Ryze, Ekko, Miss Fortune or Katarina. Kai'sa or Akali, in some timeline out there, maybe.

In fact, I'd argue that aside from some supports and most non-humanoids besides Teemo, there's plenty of decently popular choices.

Akali could be cool. The smoke could be like that of Forsburn from Rivals of Aether. Speaking of which, there's an indie game that has some cool characters.

 

[Shroob]

As for Dark Souls, Dark Souls is a series I'd honestly love to have in Smash


But I'd also be lying if I said that the majority of the cast's designs didn't bore me to tears. We'd like, almost certainly not get Artorias, so the other characters are just.... Medieval fantasy knights.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Google Theory was right the whole time heheheheehehehehe

Nah but fr if we get Dark Souls stuff, Chosen Undead and Solaire would be nice

Artorias would be SICK, imagine a super heavy-weight corrupted knight with only one functioning arm in smash

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

As for Dark Souls, Dark Souls is a series I'd honestly love to have in Smash


But I'd also be lying if I said that the majority of the cast's designs didn't bore me to tears. We'd like, almost certainly not get Artorias, so the other characters are just.... Medieval fantasy knights.

We literally don’t have a single one of those on the roster though.

 

[Shroob]

We literally don’t have a single one of those on the roster though.

That's true.


I guess I'm just soo used to typical fantasy from being a NERD that upon seeing a knight I kinda yawn lol.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I've always imagined Crono being a bit like Captain Ginyu in FighterZ where he uses Techs and his party members show up to make them into Double or Triple Techs.

I don't even know if it's realistic to expect this given it would require 6 additional models and technically spoil Magus but man. Frog 3D model in the Smash style. Man

Woah this is such a cool idea whoever thought of it is probably super sexy and smart and has huge ****

You really think Masahiro "lol Claus lol Fiora lol Pneuma" Sakurai cares about spoiling Magus? The real issue is that if I remember correctly, Magus had no dual techs

 

[volbound1700]

Crazy to think how much big Capcom and Square IP is still out there and NOT in Smash:

Square-Enix:

1. Tomb Raider
2. Kingdom Hearts
3. Chrono Trigger
4. Final Fantasies other than 7
5. Tales of Mana
6. Bubble Bobble
7. Space Invaders
8. Valkyrie

Capcom:

1. Resident Evil
2. Monster Hunter (Does have a lot of content in Smash but no Character)
3. Devil May Crie
4. Ace Attorney
5. Viewtiful Joe
6. Final Fight
7. Dead Rising

 

[Gengar84]

Smashboards is no longer dead, hooray.

I know last week I was pessimistic on double dips, but there is one double dip that I find interesting: Square.

Remember when Vergeben said that he heard Erdrick, Lumnary, Sephiroth, and Chrono the most from his Square sources? In hindsight, I think that is something to entertain, even if I still am pessimistic on double dips. Chrono Trigger also lines up well with what I am expecting for CP11, a smaller reveal at the end of the day.

I would absolutely love that. Chrono Trigger is one of my favorite games ever and it would be awesome to see it brought back in any way. While I personally prefer Magus, I think Crono is a lot more likely and could have a really fun moveset based around dual techs. Magus would actually make for a really cool Sephiroth echo (he’s got a big spike on the end of his scythe so stabbing moves work fine).

 

[SharkLord]

We literally don’t have a single one of those on the roster though.

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. The grounded, "boring" designs actually loop back around to unique when you stack 'em up against the rest of the roster. Somehow, we've never had a full-body armor knight character so far.

 

[Dinoman96]

Crono would be amazing and a great surprise but I wonder what would motivate Nintendo to actually include him, considering the Chrono franchise has been long dead and there isn't really that much fan demand for his inclusion, unlike with Banjo.

 

[Bobthealligator]

To be fair, a Mii Costume's probably easier to slap together than an entire content pack. I think Miis and Spirits are something they can be more casual about, since they're ultimately minor little things rather than the major hype-pushers.

I was specifically referring to spirits, they usually happen a month or two after the fact

 

[volbound1700]

Although I think Dante deserves a spot, I would still pick Crash, Rayman, Doomguy, or Ryu Hayabusa over him any day of the week. Let some other companies and IP get some love.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

TWEWY is a bigger deal right now than half the SE **** you guys are talking about.

 

[Shroob]

I just fear how a Dark Souls character would play irt Smash.


Something tells me Sakurai would 100% transition over the slow but strong attacks, but frailty of the mc.

 

[volbound1700]

TWEWY is a bigger deal right now than half the SE **** you guys are talking about.

TWEWY?

 

[GoodGrief741]

Woah this is such a cool idea whoever thought of it is probably super sexy and smart and has huge ****

Thank you Gwen that's really nice of you to say

As for Magus, I forgot about his Techs but he'd still likely show up in a Final Smash, though like you say they'd probably just spoil him.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

TWEWY?

The World Ends With You.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Tales of Mana

THERE'S A TALES OF MANA, TOO?

 

[Dinoman96]

tbh despite Nier not having a game on Nintendo, I still think 2B is probably the overall most sensible Square-Enix character left outside of Final Fantasy.

 

[chocolatejr9]

TWEWY is a bigger deal right now than half the SE **** you guys are talking about.

Rie Sonomura is that you?

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Woah this is such a cool idea whoever thought of it is probably super sexy and smart and has huge ****

You really think Masahiro "lol Claus lol Fiora lol Pneuma" Sakurai cares about spoiling Magus? The real issue is that if I remember correctly, Magus had no dual techs

I think Magus would show up because Sakurai has no shame in making something up to fit an idea for smash. Like how he made up Terry's up air. Likely he will make some sort of new tech for Magus and Crono if this was what he would do for Crono's moveset.

 

[SNEKeater]

THERE'S A TALES OF MANA, TOO?

He meant Trails of Mana.

 

[Gengar84]

Crono would be amazing and a great surprise but I wonder what would motivate Nintendo to actually include him, considering the Chrono franchise has been long dead and there isn't really that much fan demand for his inclusion, unlike with Banjo.

Hopefully Crono’s Smash reveal is accompanied by the announcement of a new game, whether that be a remaster, remake, or even a sequel.

 

[Ivander]

Crazy to think how much big Capcom and Square IP is still out there and NOT in Smash:

Square-Enix:

1. Tomb Raider
2. Kingdom Hearts
3. Chrono Trigger
4. Final Fantasies other than 7
5. Tales of Mana
6. Bubble Bobble
7. Space Invaders
8. Valkyrie

Why Valkyrie Profile? Like the others make sense from either a recent standpoint, a importance standpoint(like Bubble Bobble and Space Invaders) or cult following(like Crono Trigger), but Valkyrie Profile hasn't had any attention compared to other Square series like Nier or The World Ends with You.

Thanks. Yeah that game got rave reviews but it is very JAPANESE lol. (Not a bad thing at all but basically lines up with what we already have in the game).

Why is that a problem or issue? Dark Souls is a Japanese-made game. Super Smash Bros. is a Japanese-made game. Being Japanese is not an issue.

 

[volbound1700]

He meant Trails of Mana.

My bad. Thanks for the follow-up SNEKeater.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I've always imagined Crono being a bit like Captain Ginyu in FighterZ where he uses Techs and his party members show up to make them into Double or Triple Techs.

I don't even know if it's realistic to expect this given it would require 6 additional models and technically spoil Magus but man. Frog 3D model in the Smash style. Man

Not only that but how the hell would Crono's techs work in 8 player smash? I mean you could probably change them into sprites of themselves but I don't know.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Thanks. Yeah that game got rave reviews but it is very JAPANESE lol. (Not a bad thing at all but basically lines up with what we already have in the game). It would definitely get a


My bad. Thanks for the follow-up SNEKeater.

What's wrong with being Japanese? It's done us pretty good so far...

 

[Dinoman96]

Crazy to think how much big Capcom and Square IP is still out there and NOT in Smash:

Square-Enix:

1. Tomb Raider
2. Kingdom Hearts
3. Chrono Trigger
4. Final Fantasies other than 7
5. Tales of Mana
6. Bubble Bobble
7. Space Invaders
8. Valkyrie

Where's Nier?

 

[GilTheGreat19]

He meant Trails of Mana.

But that's already in Smash through the spirits, and I'm pretty sure his list was for IPs NOT in Smash.

 

[ZelDan]

Thank you Gwen that's really nice of you to say

As for Magus, I forgot about his Techs but he'd still likely show up in a Final Smash, though like you say they'd probably just spoil him.

While Magus doesn't have any double techs, he does have some triple techs, so if there was to be a triple tech in Crono's moveset (whether as a special or FS or whatever), then he could show up that way.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Not only that but how the hell would Crono's techs work in 8 player smash? I mean you could probably change them into sprites of themselves but I don't know.

You see this is a good idea but it doesn't get me Frog in 3D so I don't like it

For real though, if the party members just show up for individual attacks I don't see how that's different from Rex showing up in Pythra's taunts. I imagine the cast of CT would be somewhere between Nana and Rex in terms of detail in the model so it'd be fine.

And now you made me realize that to better differentiate them in case of mirror matches the party members could have palette swaps too and that's even more exciting

 

[volbound1700]

What's wrong with being Japanese? It's done us pretty good so far...

I meant to delete that comment in the first place but the issue is that we have just had a DLC pack that is full of popular Japanese IP at the expense of popular Western IP. It would be more of the same.

I was afraid it would be read wrong so I tried to delete it but it showed up in another reply that I did.

 

[Shroob]

But that's already in Smash through the spirits, and I'm pretty sure his list was for IPs NOT in Smash.

Well then he posted Resident Evil, which also has Spirits.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I meant to delete that comment in the first place but the issue is that we have just had a DLC pack that is full of popular Japanese IP at the expense of popular Western IP. It would be more of the same.

I was afraid it would be read wrong so I tried to delete it but it showed up in another reply that I did.

I get where you're coming from but that's basically the entire history of Smash so I don't think being too Japanese is a detriment in terms of variety. If anything it helps to stand out, as the most Japanese character we have in this Pass is I guess Sephiroth so there's a lot of room for a more overtly local character in terms of background and aesthetics. Maybe if it were the first Pass and we had Joker already then TWEWY might feel redundant but not as of right now.