Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Brother AJ]

https://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/14/e3-2013-namco-bandai-characters-receive-no-priority-for-super-smash-bros

"Just because the game is being cooperatively developed with Namco Bandai involved, that doesn’t at all mean that they’d be given any special consideration for having characters in the game," Sakurai said. "Smash Bros. can still be considered as an all-star collection of Nintendo characters. Just like with Mega Man or any other third-party character, it would have to be a very special situation."

To add to that, I was recently listening to a podcast by Papagenos in which he had on PushDustin and Twitch streamer x45x:

At 1:06:20, they start talking about how Nintendo uses 3rd party characters to deepen relationships with their respective companies.

PushDustin suggests that since Nintendo has such a close relationship with Bamco (Nintendo even owns over 3.8 million shares of the company), they have much less to gain from adding a character from their company than say one from Square Enix. This may even explain why we've yet to see a playable Koei Tecmo rep.

I believe all of this is quite probable, and is at least ONE of the reasons a character might not be considered.

Honestly, if a company is going to only have one character, it really can't get much better than freaking Pac-man.

Also...

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Am I one of the cool kids now?

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Also I think at this E3 Direct, we gonna see the Fortnite content that would be coming to Smash, whether it be a Character, Mii, Spirit event, etc

I'll do you one addition:

Samus skin in Fortnite

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Lol what of Soras trailer is a smashified version of KH2s opening Sanctuary

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Lol what of Soras trailer is a smashified version of KH2s opening Sanctuary

I will main whoever portrays Donald Duck if that’s the case

 

[volbound1700]

Hold your goddamn phones, I just though of a sick double reveal trailer

Sequel to Simon's and Richter's


Diablo followed by Doomguy

The Diablo series is perhaps one of the most underrated series all-time. Diablo 2 came out in 1999 and still has a following on Blizzard to this day. I cannot think of a video game that has a following for that long (perhaps WoW). I don't think it gets a lot of attention due to the units sold argument. However, I heard something crazy the other day that kind of destroys the unit solds argument.

I am a huge strategy game fan and I follow someone called Melkor on Youtube who does videos on the Total War series. SEGA is pushing the Total War series and Creative Assembly to make a move towards what they call Super Games which is a comparison to Paradox.

So to compare two titles: Rome Total War 2 sold significantly more games the Europa Universalis 4 for PC. I mean it is nearly double the unit sold. However, EU4 rain a string of DLC and has kept the game alive to date. Its online userbase on Steam has actually increased since its launch almost 8 years ago. As a result, Paradox has made four times the $$$ of EU4 than off of RTW 2. Kind of a crazy though that RTW2 just destroyed Paradox on units sold but Paradox is making more money per title due to the constant DLC and updating of a game.

I see Diablo 2 as that way. Although it probably has less unit sold than many games, it is perhaps one of the most followed and played games in gaming history.

Diablo 3 is meh though . Sounds like the two of us play a lot of the same games.

 

[Louie G.]

they start talking about how Nintendo uses 3rd party characters to deepen relationships with their respective companies

I believe that was the case in FP1, but not for FP2. The fact that we’ve seen a retread of two companies already balanced out by two Nintendo characters has sent a clear message to me that priorities have shifted.

Or maybe they’ll just pick up the slack with the last two characters both being from new companies, I dunno lmao. It just feels like they’re moreso working with what they’ve got, while FP1 from the getgo was bringing in all these new faces.

Honestly? Reimu and Chief, I got the idea in my head, good way to cater to a worldwide audience and Smash ending on lackluster reveals has and always will be a matter of opinion. Feels right to me

This is the sentiment I’ve been banking on too, just with Arle as the Japanese pick instead because... well one because I want to believe, and two because of what I said before. I’m pretty much ride or die on another Sega character since we’ve been pulling from that FP2 pool and I’m anticipating two more third parties.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I will main whoever portrays Donald Duck if that’s the case

Id be curious about who protrays Riku tbh. I think it would be fitting to make it Cloud

 

[Shroob]

Reimu's the character that

I know it'll never, ever happen, but in the chance it does



I'll need to be escorted to the emergency room, because I think I'll have a heart attack from laughing soo hard. It would shatter everyone's minds as everyone fumbles over themselves in complete confusion.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Sounds like the two of us play a lot of the same games.

Haha, don't really play strategy games other than Risk, a bit of EU4 and PvZ. I mostly play platformers, fighting, and SOME RPG games.

Throw in Minecraft and some racing games like Forza in there, too. And Shooters.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Reimu's the character that

I know it'll never, ever happen, but in the chance it does



I'll need to be escorted to the emergency room, because I think I'll have a heart attack from laughing soo hard. It would shatter everyone's minds as everyone fumbles over themselves in complete confusion.

Would you want me to send flowers?

 

[Sephirothorsomethingidk]

My radar has landed on King Boo. Luigi's Mansion 3 not having a spirit event is suspicious given that virtually every major Nintendo release has had one and it fits with the "Second Chances" theory if Luigi's Mansion 3 was initially considered for the promotional spot in FP1 that went to Fire Emblem: Three Houses and Byleth.

Plus, King Boo is a character that would appeal to the general audience of E3. Virtually every Mario spin-off has either Boo or King Boo playable and they're generally a popular choice, with Mario Kart 8 Deluxe even opting to add the latter before Diddy Kong. He may get some criticism for being "too safe", but enough people could recognize him to make a reasonably strong E3 headline.

That being said, I anticipate not seeing him on the 15th. There are so many characters it could be and virtually every option has something out of their favour, so I'm not really confident in anyone. That being said, King Boo is still who I think has the most likely shot

Lol i like how everyone always clings onto the missing spirit event

 

[Garteam]

Lol i like how everyone always clings onto the missing spirit event

Well, yeah. A missing spirit event for a major Nintendo release that has no reason not to have one is a little out of the ordinary given how on the ball Sakurai has normally been about these things. Plus, when you factor in that Three Houses was also missing one and that tree later bore fruit in , it's not like it's a big logical hoop to jump through.

 

[volbound1700]

I believe that was the case in FP1, but not for FP2. The fact that we’ve seen a retread of two companies already balanced out by two Nintendo characters has sent a clear message to me that priorities have shifted.

Or maybe they’ll just pick up the slack with the last two characters both being from new companies, I dunno lmao. It just feels like they’re moreso working with what they’ve got, while FP1 from the getgo was bringing in all these new faces.



This is the sentiment I’ve been banking on too, just with Arle as the Japanese pick instead because... well one because I want to believe, and two because of what I said before. I’m pretty much ride or die on another Sega character since we’ve been pulling from that FP2 pool and I’m anticipating two more third parties.

I think you are right. The third-party comments from Sakurai (or New Worlds comment) seem to be more directed at FP1 and not FP2. You could argue Fire Emblem in FP1 broke that trend although Three Houses was New compared to existing Fire Emblem content. However, Sephiroth definitely shattered that comment as we already had Cloud and Midgard as a Stage. There wasn't any new "worlds" created with his inclusion.

So no real rules exist for these last two characters other than we are getting a stage and a character.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Ngl. King Boo would have to CP11 if we're going with this LM3 missing spirit event theory. Very small chance he would be an E3 reveal imo.
This is assuming only CP10 is revealed at E3.

 

[Shroob]

Well, yeah. A missing spirit event for a major Nintendo release that has no reason not to have one is a little out of the ordinary given how on the ball Sakurai has normally been about these things. Plus, when you factor in that Three Houses was also missing one and that tree later bore fruit in , it's not like it's a big logical hoop to jump through.

Flipside though, so is Crafted World, and that's been missing one even longer. Hell, Astral Chain was like what, 8-10 months after?


I feel like with Fire Emblem, that was an inevitability. We didn't get a real Fire Emblem newcomer in the base game, and in the prior game we had gotten Corrin, a character from the 'newest Fire Emblem' at the time.

 

[volbound1700]

Haha, don't really play strategy games other than Risk, a bit of EU4 and PvZ. I mostly play platformers, fighting, and SOME RPG games.

Throw in Minecraft and some racing games like Forza in there, too. And Shooters.

EU4 is a HUGE jump from Risk . You might like Total War. It has some Action-Adventure elements mixed with Strategy. The only issue with Total War games is that the AI is very dumb compared to what you experience with EU4.

Did you play the Diablo series?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Would you want me to send flowers?

Send chocolate as well, Jr.

 

[volbound1700]

Flipside though, so is Crafted World, and that's been missing one even longer. Hell, Astral Chain was like what, 8-10 months after?


I feel like with Fire Emblem, that was an inevitability. We didn't get a real Fire Emblem newcomer in the base game, and in the prior game we had gotten Corrin, a character from the 'newest Fire Emblem' at the time.

One of my biggest frustration with Fire Emblem is that the series itself really isn't that represented as sword users are only 1/8 of the weapons/tactics in the game.

Robin is the only one that seems to have any real variance and even he got stuck with a sword. Byleth is probably the second most unique and I will give his move set credit but they still had to have a sword as a part of the move set. The slew of sword-users doesn't necessarily help with the frustration the fanbase has with the overrepresentation. I think if we had more mage, spear, axe, thief, archer type characters as you see in the game, the FE series would have taken less heat.

 

[Perkilator]

There's a difference between being a spinoff, and a crossover.

Marvel vs. Capcom 2 is not a Resident Evil spinoff just because it has Jill in it. It's a crossover between multiple franchises. Just like Kingdom Hearts.

Persona isn't. It's just a spinoff.

I didn't imply KH was a spin-off. I just made the comparison with Persona to being a game based on another while being different enough from it. That logic doesn't HAVE to apply to a spin-off.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

EU4 is a HUGE jump from Risk . You might like Total War. It has some Action-Adventure elements mixed with Strategy. The only issue with Total War games is that the AI is very dumb compared to what you experience with EU4.

Did you play the Diablo series?

Haha haven't played a Diablo game either. I just love the design of the character, also recall enjoying the unfolding of the Diablo IV trailer.
Only Blizzard game I own is Overwatch. I feel like I'd like Diablo tho.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

What "gut feeling" are y'all getting on CP10? (If any)

I'm not gonna 100% follow through with it because I want to hype responsibly, but mine's saying CP10 will be a western third party, for sure gonna make lots of people happy.

A swordfighter character whether Adol Christin, Chosen Undead, Dovahkiin, Euden, Gran/Djeeta, Nightmare, Yuri, etc. in general Given the Lloyd mii is the last Sm4sh mii to return.

I'm also suspecting a double reveal with the Chief being revealed last.

 

[Garteam]

Flipside though, so is Crafted World, and that's been missing one even longer. Hell, Astral Chain was like what, 8-10 months after?


I feel like with Fire Emblem, that was an inevitability. We didn't get a real Fire Emblem newcomer in the base game, and in the prior game we had gotten Corrin, a character from the 'newest Fire Emblem' at the time.

I definitely agree that Luigi's Mansion 3 really could get nothing, but I still think it's a little different from Yoshi's Crafted World. The latter doesn't really have much to work with for a spirit event. Crafted Yoshi is already a fighter's spirit, so that really just leaves Crafted Poochy and the crafted versions of various Yoshi mooks, many of which already have regular spirits. It's a similar story for Mario Maker 2, which also doesn't have a spirit event.

Contrast this with Luigi's Mansion 3, which has four unique characters with high-quality artwork in Gooigi, Hellen Gravely, Goob, and Hammer. Yoshi's absence feels like a limitation with what could be done, while Luigi's feels like more of a deliberate choice.

 

[volbound1700]

Haha haven't played a Diablo game either. I just love the design of the character, also recall enjoying the unfolding of the Diablo IV trailer.
Only Blizzard game I own is Overwatch. I feel like I'd like Diablo tho.

Yeah, this is why I sometimes wonder if I fit well on this board anymore because I am a little older. When I was in HS and College, I wasn't much of a console gamer but loved PC games. Blizzard was one of the companies that I loved. I played Warcraft 2, Diablo 1 & 2, Starcraft, etc. Great games and highly underrated.

Diablo 1 has the best atmosphere in the series, Diablo 2 is the best overall experience, Diablo 3 isn't bad but just doesn't recapture the magic of the other two (one major issue was the RPG elements were kind of dumbed down). You definitely should give them a shot. They are a live action, top down RPG. At the time it was very novel but today there are clones of it everywhere. In fact the Torchlight series is actually designed and made by many of the original developers of Diablo 1 and 2. You can get Torchlight series on Switch Nintendo Shop.

 

[Gengar84]

I believe when Magus tries to summon Lavos, he's actually trying to summon the one from his own time period that's sleeping underground, not summoning him from a different time period.

The ability to warp time actually comes from Lavos itself.

sigh, I wish, but no.

Yeah I think you might be right. It’s been a while since I’ve played Chrono Trigger so I’m fuzzy on all the details.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

https://twitter.com/CrashBandicoot/status/1400133208549728256?s=20
I think I'm going to laugh.

Some people are taking this new Crash Twitter post as a Smash hint of some kind ("training for 'smash' ") and someone even said "Yo is that ?"

Bruh moment.

Anyhow...

 

[Teeb147]

So who's going to be the new character? XD

 

[Ivander]

When I watch a Namco X Capcom opening, I recognize pretty much all of the Capcom characters, but only a few of the Namco ones...

Hmm...let me take a gander and my luck...

Spoiler: Spoilers in case somebody wants to do a challenge themselves.

1. First two characters shown are Reiji and Xiaoyu if I'm remembering their names correctly. They re-appear in Project X Zone.
2. The first set of characters together: Stahn and the black-haired girl(can't remember her name) from Tales of Destiny, Gilgamesh and the princess from Tower of Duraga, and Arthur and Klonoa.
3. The next two characters after. The samurai guy is Taira and his game involves him going against Yo****sune, Benkei and Yoritomo. Some of us did mention his game when the new Getsu Fuma Den game was announced. I don't recognise the kid next to him.
4. Following them is Mitsurugi and Taki from Soulcalibur. Behind Taki are Guy from Final Fight and, I believe, is the ninja from Red Earth, Keiji/Keiju or whatever.
5. Okay, after them. I don't recognise the other three, but the blonde soldier is the soldier from Forbidden Worlds(IIRC) who also appeared in Marvel vs Capcom as a partner summon. I don't know if the others also appeared in his game or not.
6. Following them are KOS-MOS, then Megaman Volnutt and Roll Casket, then the guy from Dig Dug, then Strider, then Captain Commando.
7. After that bit, the next character shown is Valkyrie from Legend of Valkyrie, followed by Demitri, Hsien-Ko, Felicia and Morrigan.
8. Next scene, for the first four, I don't recognise the two to the left, but I do see Ryu and I believe Jin Mishima. The next four, I don't recognise the scientist lady, but I see Regina from Dino Crisis, I believe Wonder Momo, and Chun-Li. I don't recognise the girl who appears with Regina.
9. Then it uses all shown characters from that point, including the OCs for the game. The final scene shows all the characters I recognise aside from the guy with the spring/bubble-like arms.

Okay, I think I did decent. 30 characters out of 38 characters I recognised.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Not entirely inaccurate though.

When I watch a Namco X Capcom opening, I recognize pretty much all of the Capcom characters, but only a few of the Namco ones...

I guess that's what happens when a developer is only really known for Arcade classics and anime crossover games.

Istill find it weird that Sakurai couldnt imagine a moveset for Heihachi when other games managed to fit him into a 2D game.

 

[7NATOR]

I definitely agree that Luigi's Mansion 3 really could get nothing, but I still think it's a little different from Yoshi's Crafted World. The latter doesn't really have much to work with for a spirit event. Crafted Yoshi is already a fighter's spirit, so that really just leaves Crafted Poochy and the crafted versions of various Yoshi mooks, many of which already have regular spirits. It's a similar story for Mario Maker 2, which also doesn't have a spirit event.

Contrast this with Luigi's Mansion 3, which has four unique characters with high-quality artwork in Gooigi, Hellen Gravely, Goob, and Hammer. Yoshi's absence feels like a limitation with what could be done, while Luigi's feels like more of a deliberate choice.

Gooigi I admit is the weirdest Omission

But in any other case, I'm not too sure on the viability of Luigi's Mansion 3 not having spirits, since Luigi's Mansion and Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon don't even have many spirits anyway

They have 4 altogether across 2 games, one of them being the Poltergeist. So I'm not sure Spirits were much of priority for the game. I could see them adding Gooigi to a separate event as a new Spirit though

and even if Luigi's Mansion 3 was used as a Spirit board for a character, I actually imagine it be for Waluigi over King Boo, despite Waluigi not appearing in the actual game. I Imagine Waluigi would be a bigger priority than King Boo to be honest

 

[Mr. Game + Watch]

Any “real-looking” leaks happen within the last two months and any theories could possibly be real?

 

[Ivander]

I guess that's what happens when a developer is only really known for Arcade classics and anime crossover games.

Istill find it weird that Sakurai couldnt imagine a moveset for Heihachi when other games managed to fit him into a 2D game.

Do Namco X Capcom and Project X Zone 1 & 2 really count when they aren't fighting games? I can understand Playstation All-Stars though.

 

[GilTheGreat19]

But in any other case, I'm not too sure on the viability of Luigi's Mansion 3 not having spirits, since Luigi's Mansion and Luigi's Mansion Dark Moon don't even have many spirits anyway

Just thought of a POTENTIAL answer to this.

Maybe we'll get more echo fighters at the end. Gooigi as a Luigi echo?

 

[N3ON]

Any “real-looking” leaks happen within the last two months and any theories could possibly be real?

Well the theories behind Master Chief will lead to some sort of developments between MS and Nintendo, it just might not pertain to Smash.

 

[Paraster]

What "gut feeling" are y'all getting on CP10? (If any)

I'm not gonna 100% follow through with it because I want to hype responsibly, but mine's saying CP10 will be a western third party, for sure gonna make lots of people happy.

Said a couple days ago:

My instincts say any one or two of Quote, Reimu, and Gordon Freeman.

Quote is an iconic and historically significant indie character that's appeared on Nintendo consoles a ton.
Reimu is similar to Quote but sacrifices historical significance/influence for being much more well-known nowadays (in Japan at least).
Gordon is from an iconic series that would represent a new genre and act as an effective WTF reveal.

Will say, though, I doubt that both Quote and Gordon would be added due to potential overlap in gameplay.

 

[Merengue]

Both Skull Kid and Dixie have costumes though.

It’s not my meme. I found it on Reddit. I knew the faults about this meme as well, but you get the point

 

[chocolatejr9]

Send chocolate as well, Jr.

Only if you send mushrooms, Guy.

 

[Technomage]

Do Namco X Capcom and Project X Zone 1 & 2 really count when they aren't fighting games? I can understand Playstation All-Stars though.

There's also Street Fighter x Tekken, despite it not being well-liked.

 

[7NATOR]

Just thought of a POTENTIAL answer to this.

Maybe we'll get more echo fighters at the end. Gooigi as a Luigi echo?

I honestly say more of an alt than echo personally

 

[GilTheGreat19]

Gordon is from an iconic series that would represent a new genre and act as an effective WTF reveal.

Will say, though, I doubt that both Quote and Gordon would be added due to potential overlap in gameplay.

Just to maek sure I'm on your page...

Gordon Freeman from Half-Life?
Cuz if so, you have taste

 

[Technomage]

I honestly say more of an alt than echo personally

I don't know; wouldn't it be odd that Luigi looks like a slime creature, but not have any of the physics of it?