Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Slime Master]

Oddly enough I think he actually uses a sword as one of his core weapons, but this might be the most promoted design. Another is Sakurai might've hit a limit on costume differences(5 is awkward), though it also depends if he could find 3 more. Since the Staff is an important part of this Hero too, he might've found easier options.

There could be other reasons, like who SE wanted to promote at the time(even if it's just for more ports). I mean, this isn't the only reason Luminary is one of the characters. He's also the latest Hero and very easy to use overall. Him and Erdrick were the most obvious alts to have, due to being big options at the time. SE suggested other ones too. VIII is very popular in the West, and I think it was... IV that got the last alt? That also had an impact on the games, though I keep forgetting what it was. The monster-recruiting, maybe?

Not sure if monster recruiting started with IV, but I do know monster recruiting or allies were in V. That said, I think DQV's Hero was originally considered first, but after thinking and discussion, they chose IV's Hero because it was the first game and 2nd most popular game of the Zenithia trilogy and also pretty popular in it's own right, including having the most popular Dragon Quest villain Psaro.

Monster recruitment started in 5. 4 was the first game with party talk, and thus party members with actual personality. Though it's also considered the most "standard" DQ in that basically everything that's in it you can expect to see in all the others.

 

[Technomage]

10. What the **** is Xenoblade X include any content from Xenoblade except X
11. Lip’s Stick will be the only form of Panel de Pon representation

12) Never let Bowser or the Kongs talk in their canon voices.

 

[CannonStreak]

12) Never let Bowser or the Kongs talk in their canon voices.

Or K. Rool.

Rule 14 (13 is basically already done). Never try to get more songs for Sonic in Smash.
Rule 15. No fun in making Smash allowed.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Or K. Rool.

Rule 14 (13 is basically already done). Never try to get more songs for Sonic in Smash.
Rule 15. No fun in making Smash allowed.

Rule 16. The DK Rap and Live and Learn can never have their full versions

 

[CannonStreak]

Rule 16. The DK Rap and Live and Learn can never have their full versions

Rule 17. Only the instrumental version of His World is allowed.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Rule 16. The DK Rap and Live and Learn can never have their full versions

Rule 18. Change "Hell" to "Heck" in the DK Rap, but still use "Hell" in other contexts.

 

[Technomage]

Rule 16. The DK Rap and Live and Learn can never have their full versions

19) Never include more than a few pieces of Street Fighter content that isn't from Street Fighter 2.

 

[CannonStreak]

20. Always respect Nintendo's wishes when they do not want to use the English VAs for Cloud and Sephiroth.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

21. F-Zero will get a ton of remixes from the SNES game but will not add any more X or GX tracks than it already has. ESPECIALLY not the vocal pilot themes from GX

STOP POSTING SO FAST ASDF

 

[Technomage]

20. Always respect Nintendo's wishes when they do not want to use the English VAs for Cloud and Sephiroth.

Or any other Final Fantasy character

22) Never let Mega Man characters other than Zero say a single word.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

23. Chrom is the exception when it comes to Final Smash characters becoming playable. No Tom Nook, no Kumatora, no Bass, no Proto Man, no Dunban, no Paula, and ESPECIALLY no Fiora

I’m making myself sad now

 

[Perkilator]

Alright, that's enough.

Real talk; if any Assist Trophy character is revealed at E3 this year, that'll be the fastest I click out of the presentation.

 

[Technomage]

23. Chrom is the exception when it comes to Final Smash characters becoming playable. No Tom Nook, no Kumatora, no Bass, no Proto Man, no Dunban, no Paula, and ESPECIALLY no Fiora

I’m making myself sad now

24) R.O.B. can never have a home stage
25) No upskirt views of any female character except Krystal

 

[CannonStreak]

Alright, that's enough.

I was thinking that as well.

Real talk; if any Assist Trophy character is revealed at E3 this year, that'll be the fastest I click out of the presentation.

So, that is really the fastest you will click out of a presentation?

 

[Guynamednelson]

So, that is really the fastest you will click out of a presentation?

You have no idea how religiously dedicated Perk is to the idea that Assist Trophies are this extremely precious thing holding Smash together

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

Alright, that's enough.

Real talk; if any Assist Trophy character is revealed at E3 this year, that'll be the fastest I click out of the presentation.

Do go on about how much it angers you. Let the hate flow within you. Palpatine cackles

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Speaking of AT's, there's a ton that would be awesome to be playable this time around. Albeit, I don't use the term "promote" cause it makes it sound like the old role is gone. That won't happen at all(nor be replaced by anyone else) cause it's a massive waste of development time. For example, Springtron is a pointless AT addition. Why bother doing all that for no real benefit? You disable Spring Man when he's playable. Boom, done. If you even need to do that. Springtron also makes for a way better costume. Now, in the next game, that's a cool idea.

Also, Waluigi would be a godsend. Among the Super Mario characters, there's only three major characters(in terms of how big they are, not entirely referring to iconicness) are missing; Toad, Waluigi, and Paper Mario. I am not including Captain Toad on here because he's nowhere near as big as they are. Yet. He's easily another one soon enough, and by next Smash he'll feel like a weird omission if he isn't there.

There's others I'd still love otherwise; Bomberman is dead, but it sucks he's only somewhat there as playable. Isaac, Ashley, Takamaru, Lyn, Black Knight, Sukapon, Skull Kid(note I can't list Tingle here anymore, but him too), and that's just a few. Though honestly, Waluigi is the biggest one among this list(and I could see that at E3 too for the sole factor he would take the place by storm. There's others regardless who would too, like Crash or Master Chief.

 

[Guynamednelson]

god dammit i can't believe they made melee when 64 was only two years old

all that development time was a waste

why couldn't they wait until 64 was six years old to consider making a new smash

 

[Technomage]

Speaking of AT's, there's a ton that would be awesome to be playable this time around. Albeit, I don't use the term "promote" cause it makes it sound like the old role is gone. That won't happen at all(nor be replaced by anyone else) cause it's a massive waste of development time. For example, Springtron is a pointless AT addition. Why bother doing all that for no real benefit? You disable Spring Man when he's playable. Boom, done. If you even need to do that. Springtron also makes for a way better costume. Now, in the next game, that's a cool idea.

Also, Waluigi would be a godsend. Among the Super Mario characters, there's only three major characters(in terms of how big they are, not entirely referring to iconicness) are missing; Toad, Waluigi, and Paper Mario. I am not including Captain Toad on here because he's nowhere near as big as they are. Yet. He's easily another one soon enough, and by next Smash he'll feel like a weird omission if he isn't there.

There's others I'd still love otherwise; Bomberman is dead, but it sucks he's only somewhat there as playable. Isaac, Ashley, Takamaru, Lyn, Black Knight, Sukapon, Skull Kid(note I can't list Tingle here anymore, but him too), and that's just a few. Though honestly, Waluigi is the biggest one among this list(and I could see that at E3 too for the sole factor he would take the place by storm. There's others regardless who would too, like Crash or Master Chief.

The one Assist Trophy character that I'd like to see make it to playable status (more than any other AT) is Krystal; the fact that she could have entered Brawl's roster makes me sad.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

Speaking of AT's, there's a ton that would be awesome to be playable this time around. Albeit, I don't use the term "promote" cause it makes it sound like the old role is gone. That won't happen at all(nor be replaced by anyone else) cause it's a massive waste of development time. For example, Springtron is a pointless AT addition. Why bother doing all that for no real benefit? You disable Spring Man when he's playable. Boom, done. If you even need to do that. Springtron also makes for a way better costume. Now, in the next game, that's a cool idea.

Also, Waluigi would be a godsend. Among the Super Mario characters, there's only three major characters(in terms of how big they are, not entirely referring to iconicness) are missing; Toad, Waluigi, and Paper Mario. I am not including Captain Toad on here because he's nowhere near as big as they are. Yet. He's easily another one soon enough, and by next Smash he'll feel like a weird omission if he isn't there.

There's others I'd still love otherwise; Bomberman is dead, but it sucks he's only somewhat there as playable. Isaac, Ashley, Takamaru, Lyn, Black Knight, Sukapon, Skull Kid(note I can't list Tingle here anymore, but him too), and that's just a few. Though honestly, Waluigi is the biggest one among this list(and I could see that at E3 too for the sole factor he would take the place by storm. There's others regardless who would too, like Crash or Master Chief.

Sukapon would be funny because people would ask "Literally who's Sukapon?" And there's no better answer for that tham you know what

 

[Shroob]

Like, I get not thinking an Assist will be promoted, I don't think it'll happen either.


But to express what seems to be anger over it is... an odd take, tbh.

 

[N3ON]

People with very strong opinions about ATs perplex me. I'm glad they're there, because it was either that role, or a lesser one, or nothing at all. It's only a slap in the face if you somehow felt entitled to an outcome different than the one we got. We were never promised anything.

And I'd be glad if one of the more desired ones was promoted, because there are a lot of good character choices from among the ranks of the ATs. Yeah there would be some very minor reduplication of efforts, but the team is getting paid to retread that ground, and will likely do so for the benefit of the fans.

 

[Technomage]

Alright, that's enough.

Real talk; if any Assist Trophy character is revealed at E3 this year, that'll be the fastest I click out of the presentation.

I'm interested: Why do you not want any ATs making it to playable status in DLC?

 

[Lamperouge]

Alright, that's enough.

Real talk; if any Assist Trophy character is revealed at E3 this year, that'll be the fastest I click out of the presentation.

Imagine getting angry over the possibility of a popular AT character getting an upgrade and making a lot of people happy.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I'm interested: Why do you not want any ATs making it to playable status in DLC?

He likes to believe ATs have more work put into them than fighters or something. Even though there's a reason why Ultimate was able to add more ATs than fighters, gee I wonder what that is?

 

[Perkilator]

I'm interested: Why do you not want any ATs making it to playable status in DLC?

Waste of dev time.

 

[Shroob]

Waste of dev time.

I think a question is, why are you getting upset on behalf of the devs?


They're getting paid to do this, and there's a handful of popular characters who are assists.

 

[Deleted member]

Reusing assets is just game development 101, so if anything an Assist would be among the easiest characters to add. An AT promotion isn’t gonna suddenly delete the trophy so it’s not like there’s any harm in it.

 

[Clumsyzephyr]

It's a waste of dev time to make a popular and demanded character who didn't quite make the cut playable while possibly giving the devs less work with existing assets to build off of?

 

[Gengar84]

There’s a few assist trophies I would love as playable characters. My top three are Zero, the Black Knight, and Guile but others would be cool like Dr. Wily, Skull Kid, Bomberman, and Alucard.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Guys, you're dogpiling again. Let up. It's an unpopular opinion, but you don't need to go crazy about it. Not every response is even polite anymore, they're just trying to make them sound like an idiot.

That's not cool at all. I don't agree with the position whatsoever, but there's a time to back off. And that's been hit for nearly half this page by this point. And no, just cause you don't tag them essentially doesn't mean you aren't dogpiling. It's clear what the point is, trying to make fun of their point. Let's not be childish and disagree politely at worst.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Reusing assets is just game development 101, so if anything an Assist would be among the easiest characters to add. An AT promotion isn’t gonna suddenly delete the trophy so it’s not like there’s any harm in it.

It's a waste of dev time to make a popular and demanded character who didn't quite make the cut playable while possibly giving the devs less work with existing assets to build off of?

They already even reused assets by using Min Min's ARMS model as a base. So either way, if Spring Man or Min Min was chosen, an already existing model would be repurposed.

 

[CannonStreak]

Guys, you're dogpiling again. Let up. It's an unpopular opinion, but you don't need to go crazy about it. Not every response is even polite anymore, they're just trying to make them sound like an idiot.

That's not cool at all. I don't agree with the position whatsoever, but there's a time to back off. And that's been hit for nearly half this page by this point. And no, just cause you don't tag them essentially doesn't mean you aren't dogpiling. It's clear what the point is, trying to make fun of their point. Let's not be childish and disagree politely at worst.

Don't mind me. When he first said what he said about Assist Trophies, I was only, merely asking him a question, not necessarily jumping all over him.

 

[Momotsuki]

If an AT got promoted, I guarantee you the fighter would use an entirely different and much more polished model than the AT, anyhow. The fighters look smashy while ATs get to look more like they came straight out of their home world. Perk is off the perc.

 

[Clumsyzephyr]

There was only one or two "rude" messages, the rest was purely criticism and genuine questions. Also the way they presented the statement, and also posted it on their profile, seemed to actively be attempting to get a reaction out of people.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Don't mind me. When he first said what he said about Assist Trophies, I was only, merely asking him a question, not necessarily jumping all over him.

Nah, you're exactly an example of a polite response. There's still many who are being polite about it, but more than one response is getting downright rude now.

It's not necessary and frankly shouldn't ever happen. These kind of responses are actually what has prompted users from avoiding this topic alone. That's no fun. D:

 

[Guynamednelson]

If Perk doesn't want to listen to any argument that disagrees with "AT promotions would be the worst thing ever", we should ignore it when he whines about the idea.

 

[warubyun]

If an AT got promoted, I guarantee you the fighter would use an entirely different and much more polished model than the AT, anyhow. The fighters look smashy while ATs get to look more like they came straight out of their home world. Perk is off the perc.

They're probably also rigged and modelled for a lot less than fighters. For example, I'm pretty sure Waluigi's current model can't emote nor move its pupils, and his hands are modelled to be permanently clenched.

 

[Momotsuki]

They're probably also rigged and modelled for a lot less than fighters. For example, I'm pretty sure Waluigi's current model can't emote nor move its pupils, and his hands are modelled to be permanently clenched.

Exactly! There's a reason the various Waluigi mods don't look quite right despite using a model from Smash itself.

 

[Guynamednelson]

For example, I'm pretty sure Waluigi's current model can't emote nor move its pupils, and his hands are modelled to be permanently clenched.

Brawl ATs are full of relics from the past like that.