Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[True Blue Warrior]

Ew don’t even joke about that

Who is Randy Pitchford and how come people hate him?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Who is Randy Pitchford and how come people hate him?

Let’s just say that, for one, he had... not exactly legal stuff on his usb drive...

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Let’s just say that, for one, he had... not exactly legal stuff on his usb drive...

Does that illegal stuff have to do with children or drugs?

 

[Will]

Let’s just say that, for one, he had... not exactly legal stuff on his usb drive...

Wait, he left a random USB at a restaurant and then claimed he was using that not exactly legal stuff for "critical analysis"? Really?



Why would he bring said USB there in the first place?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Does that illegal stuff have to do with children or drugs?

The former...

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Do the words "copy-and-paste" mean anything to you? Because that's all Morrigan has been in every crossover she was in. COPY. AND. PASTE. At least with the Street Fighter characters, they changed between crossovers. Also, I'm not hypocritical, I'm being serious: if you ask everyone to think of ONE Darkstalkers character, I guarantee that most of them will say Morrigan.


It's sounds like it to be honest.


It wasn't a joke, it was a clip from Morrigan's ending in a game made by Capcom. I feel like you're missing the difference between a joke and something that was from an official game made by Capcom.


Look, if Morrigan got into Smash, I would be OK with that, but that's not to say I wouldn't be disappointed either.


Wow. Maybe if you could say that in a way that didn't sound RUDE AS HECK to me, I would do so.

Of course they copied and pasted, most of the games Morrigan's been in were reusing assets meaning most of the charactere in those games were copied and pasted, this isn't exclusive to Morrigan.

I honestly cannot fathom how the hell "Mascot and main protagonist of the franchise gets priority" sounds like "If you're a protagonist in a single installment you're the most likely in a franchise regardless of the series having a mascot who's the protag in most of the series"

It's still a joke. It's from the Puzzle Fighter games, right? Those are especially ripe with comedy.


You mean that you'd prefer another Darkstalkers character? That's entirely different from saying she shouldn't get in, one's a personal preference, the other's being stated as if it's serious.

That wasn't meant to be rude, it's just that for some reason, Morrigan specifically got a lot of **** for being 'too sexy' by misogynists and how it's impossible to tone her down despite Capcom doing so multiple times

Also,

You spelt "Artist" with an "r" at the end. Your argument is invalid.

Word of the wise, if you want to argue that a typo invalidates an entire argument, make sure you spell 'spelled' properly, on that note, make sure you spell 'Thief' properly too

 

[True Blue Warrior]

The former...

Oh no. That explains your reaction.

 

[SKX31]

There we go!

SSBU x Turtle Beach confirmed.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That and the fact that Darkstalkers being abandoned was actually Capcom's fault to begin with.

If you don't understand, allow me to explain. See, after Capcom Fighting Evolution, Capcom made a second rerelease of the Japan exclusive PS2 anthology "Vampire: Darkstalkers Collection" called "Darkstalkers: Resurrection". See, this would have sold very well and would've gotten Darkstalkers to come back...

Resurrection happened nearly a decade after Fighting Evolution, but you're making it sound like it was right after.

...except there was one problem: Capcom only promoted it in Japan. And nowhere else. Which was probably a big mistake, since Darkstalkers was actually pretty big in the US back in the '90s. And since Darkstalkers isn't big in Japan, but popular in every other country the franchise had games sold in, the sales didn't do so well. And what was Capcom's response whenever we asked for a new Darkstalkers game after Darkstalkers: Resurrection was a flop (thanks to their terrible promotion skills when doing so)?

Capcom before the new bosses: "wElL, mAyBe If YoU hAd BoUgHt DaRkStAlKeRs: ReSuRrEcTiOn, We WoUlD gIvE yOu OnE, bUt YoU dIdN't BuY iT, sO cLeArLy YoU'rE nOt InTeReStEd In A nEw DaRkStAlKeRs GaMe."

In other words, Capcom being dumb.

Sounds pretty par for the course.

Also...

Probably has something to do with her being one of the main characters.

In fact, Morrigan wasn't even meant to be one of the main characters, Demitri was supposed to be the only main protagonist. However, she ended up being so popular to the Darkstalkers playerbase that she became one of the main characters after the first game.

So Morrigan is an example of someone getting more exposue due to popularity but you don't want her, yet you also want Sakura because of a popularity poll.

Double standard much?

Gotta love how you didn't even try to deny my claims of you having double standards.

Claims like that usually make people explode with rage around here, but you just ignored it. I'm honestly proud because that's a more mature way to do it.

Unless you hadn't noticed and I just unleashed your rage?

 

[Garteam]

Let’s just say that, for one, he had... not exactly legal stuff on his usb drive...

To be fair, Wade Callender (The former Gearbox attorney who made the claim that the Medieval Times USB contained... well, you can look it up yourself) walked back this allegation when he dropped his lawsuit in 2019, but Pitchford himself did admit there was porn on the USB.

So, if the US Legal System is to be believed, Pitchford isn't a total monster (at least not in that regard), just your garden-variety pervert.

That being said, his assault allegations against David Eddings for wanting royalties for playing Claptrap still haven't been resolved, plus he'll forever look like a bozo for his random Twitter slap fights defending the honour of Aliens: Colonial Marines and Battleborn.

 

[SNEKeater]

So, what are we thinking? One reveal at E3, or both at E3?

Personally, based on past precedent I'm inclined to think that we'll get the double reveal that's oh so associated with E3. I'm not gonna lie it's crazy to think that we're possibly coming up on the end of Smash Ultimate so quickly when I feel like there's so many possibilities still being tossed around. Crash, Reimu, Chun-Li, Kiryu, Hayabusa, Doom Slayer, Master Chief, and so many more are possibilities that seem like they could happen in Ultimate and only 2 of them are going to make it... at most. Two of them, one of them, or none of them are all possibilities to be the very last stop on this wild ride and that's kinda lamenting to think about. What a weird feeling.

I think we'll get only one character at E3, but yeah, who knows. I also have the feeling our E3 character could be someone who we barely considered, or at least, barely considered for a E3 reveal. I'm lately feeling like we will get another character from one of the 3rd party series already in Smash, to be honest. I guess all the Chun-Li talk helped with that lol.

At nearly 10 million sales it looks like Luigi's Mansion 3 is the best-selling Nintendo game ever by a Western dev.

So if you were wondering why Nintendo uncharacteristically bought Next Level Games, there's your answer.

IIRC it was also because there were some companies interested in acquiring Next Level Games, so Nintendo avoided any risks and bought them. After all they've been a good partner for a while, they did Mario Strikers, Punch-Out on Wii and Federation Forces, I think.

• Ring Fit has made it past 10 million. Seems like Nintendo may have found a successor to Wii Fit. Remains to be seen whether or not it'll become a franchise, but it's in a good position IMO.

I think it's obvious they're gonna continue this series, at least in some way. A new IP selling 10 million is a big deal. If they decide to not continue with Ring Fit they would be super stupid, to be honest.

 

[Technomage]

New topic: What games would you like to see get Spirit Events (as in ones with brand new spirits)? My picks are:

Etrian Odyssey
Other Final Fantasy series (especially FF11)
Master of Orion
Stars in Shadow
The Sims
Crash Bandicoot (if Crash doesn't make it in as a playable fighter)
Five Nights at Freddy's
Spyro the Dragon
Metal Slug
The Elder Scrolls

There are literally hundreds of characters I would be excited to see get into Smash but I’ll try to narrow it down to a top 20 list and limiting it to one character per series:

1) Zegram Ghart (Rogue Galaxy)
2) Rash/Pimple/Zitz (Battletoads)
3) Magus (Chrono Trigger)
4) Illidan Stormrage (Warcraft)
5) Sarah Kerrigan (Starcraft)
6) Velvet Crowe (Tales of Berseria)
7) Xemnas (Kingdom Hearts)
8) Fulgore (Killer Instinct)
9) Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)
10) Diablo (Diablo)
11) Medusa (Kid Icarus)
12) Pharaoh Man (Mega Man)
13) Goombella (Paper Mario)
14) Gengar (Pokémon)
15) H’aanit (Octopath Traveller)
16) Jena Anderson (Astral Chain)
17) Impa (Legend of Zelda - OG HW)
18) Bill Rizer/Lance Bean (Contra)
19) Raziel (Soul Reaver)
20) Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors)

That was a lot harder to narrow down than I was hoping and I still had to leave out a lot of my favorites like Nightmare, Etna, Elma, Nel Zelpher, Death, Lulu, and a ton of others but this is what I ended up with.

Okay, since everyone's doing that 20-character challenge, I'll give my list (even though not all of them are my MWs; they're also not in any particular order):

Spoiler: Entered in Spoilers to save some space.

1) Krystal
2) Dr. Eggman
3) Raiden
4) Squall Leonhart
5) Freddy Fazbear
6) Bubsy the Bobcat
7) Porky Minch
8) Slippy Toad
9) Tingle
10) Zero (Mega Man X/Zero)
11) Crash Bandicoot
12) Coco Bandicoot
13) Yuri Lowell
14) Goemon and Ebisumaru as a tag-team
15) Lara Croft
16) Chun-Li
17) Heihachi Mishima
18) Imperial (from Etrian Odyssey 4 and Nexus)
19) Lester the Unlikely
20) Glass Joe

So, what are we thinking? One reveal at E3, or both at E3?

Personally, based on past precedent I'm inclined to think that we'll get the double reveal that's oh so associated with E3. I'm not gonna lie it's crazy to think that we're possibly coming up on the end of Smash Ultimate so quickly when I feel like there's so many possibilities still being tossed around. Crash, Reimu, Chun-Li, Kiryu, Hayabusa, Doom Slayer, Master Chief, and so many more are possibilities that seem like they could happen in Ultimate and only 2 of them are going to make it... at most. Two of them, one of them, or none of them are all possibilities to be the very last stop on this wild ride and that's kinda lamenting to think about. What a weird feeling.

Well, since CP release windows are getting shorter (with the exception of Steve, since he needed even more time) as well as the fact that Sakurai stated that we'll have to wait a little longer for the next fighter, it does raise the possibility of both final fighters being revealed at E3, with one being released immediately after and the other being released a month later.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Who is Randy Pitchford and how come people hate him?

Besides probably having a USB full of CP, Gearbox has a history of scummy actions like Borderlands apparently being funded with money they borrowed from Sega for another game based on Alien.

 

[RileyXY1]

Well, since CP release windows are getting shorter (with the exception of Steve, since he needed even more time) as well as the fact that Sakurai stated that we'll have to wait a little longer for the next fighter, it does raise the possibility of both final fighters being revealed at E3, with one being released immediately after and the other being released a month later.

I don't think that's gonna happen unless there is additional DLC beyond FP2.

 

[Freduardo]

I think it's obvious they're gonna continue this series, at least in some way. A new IP selling 10 million is a big deal. If they decide to not continue with Ring Fit they would be super stupid, to be honest.

Agree with this so much. Really a second game with the ring con alone would be fun.

 

[Megadoomer]

New topic: What games would you like to see get Spirit Events (as in ones with brand new spirits)? My picks are:

Etrian Odyssey
Other Final Fantasy series (especially FF11)
Master of Orion
Stars in Shadow
The Sims
Crash Bandicoot (if Crash doesn't make it in as a playable fighter)
Five Nights at Freddy's
Spyro the Dragon
Metal Slug
The Elder Scrolls

-Undertale: surprised it doesn't have one yet, though they'd probably have to do what Pokemon and Octopath Traveler did and combine several characters into one spirit
-other Final Fantasy games (I'd prefer FF6 if I had to pick one, though FF4, 8, 9, and 10 would also be good)
-Chrono Trigger
-Tekken: if Heihachi's Mii costume is a sign that there won't be a playable Tekken character, I figure they should give it a spirit event, at the very least
-Double Dragon: give us an Abobo spirit! Oh, also, Bimmy Billy, Jimmy, and Marian.
-Persona 3 or 4 (I don't know enough about 1 or 2 to know how well the characters are liked)
-Ninja Gaiden (if the semi-recent interviews are an indication that Ryu Hayabusa won't be playable; I figure it's got enough historical significance to at least get spirits)
-Contra (even if it's just Bill and Lance - they're already working with Konami)
-Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night (the list of spirits seems pretty easy to come up with - Miriam, Zagreus, Alfred, and Gebel - and since that series getting a playable character seems unlikely, it would be nice if it at least got some spirits)
-StarTropics: it would be nice if Smash Bros. acknowledged those games at all, even if it was just with a spirit. (I get why - the games never released in Japan - but it's a shame that it hasn't even gotten a spirit, sticker, or trophy in any Smash game)

Aside from StarTropics, I had trouble thinking of a first party game/series that could use spirits.

 

[Lionfranky]

Who is Randy Pitchford and how come people hate him?

Gearbox embezzled money for Aliens: Colonial Marines to fund Borderland 2. They lied about A:CM.

 

[chocolatejr9]

To be fair, Wade Callender (The former Gearbox attorney who made the claim that the Medieval Times USB contained... well, you can look it up yourself) walked back this allegation when he dropped his lawsuit in 2019, but Pitchford himself did admit there was porn on the USB.

So, if the US Legal System is to be believed, Pitchford isn't a total monster (at least not in that regard), just your garden-variety pervert.

That being said, his assault allegations against David Eddings for wanting royalties for playing Claptrap still haven't been resolved, plus he'll forever look like a bozo for his random Twitter slap fights defending the honour of Aliens: Colonial Marines and Battleborn.

Man, Battleborn actually looked pretty cool...

 

[Paraster]

New topic: What games would you like to see get Spirit Events (as in ones with brand new spirits)?

For the sake of simplicity, I'm assuming none of these will get fighters:

NEO: The World Ends With You (this one I legitimately expect to happen)
Undertale
Cave Story
Crypt of the NecroDancer
Hollow Knight (maybe Silksong specifically if it somehow releases relatively soon?)
Splatoon 2: Octo Expansion and/or Splatoon 3

 

[Rie Sonomura]

New topic: What games would you like to see get Spirit Events (as in ones with brand new spirits)? My picks are:

Etrian Odyssey
Other Final Fantasy series (especially FF11)
Master of Orion
Stars in Shadow
The Sims
Crash Bandicoot (if Crash doesn't make it in as a playable fighter)
Five Nights at Freddy's
Spyro the Dragon
Metal Slug
The Elder Scrolls



Okay, since everyone's doing that 20-character challenge, I'll give my list (even though not all of them are my MWs; they're also not in any particular order):

Spoiler: Entered in Spoilers to save some space.

1) Krystal
2) Dr. Eggman
3) Raiden
4) Squall Leonhart
5) Freddy Fazbear
6) Bubsy the Bobcat
7) Porky Minch
8) Slippy Toad
9) Tingle
10) Zero (Mega Man X/Zero)
11) Crash Bandicoot
12) Coco Bandicoot
13) Yuri Lowell
14) Goemon and Ebisumaru as a tag-team
15) Lara Croft
16) Chun-Li
17) Heihachi Mishima
18) Imperial (from Etrian Odyssey 4 and Nexus)
19) Lester the Unlikely
20) Glass Joe

Well, since CP release windows are getting shorter (with the exception of Steve, since he needed even more time) as well as the fact that Sakurai stated that we'll have to wait a little longer for the next fighter, it does raise the possibility of both final fighters being revealed at E3, with one being released immediately after and the other being released a month later.

For new Spirit Events:

• Undertale (ugh FR!! Do the Cuphead thing with it too)
• Darkest Dungeon
• Star Ocean First Departure R
• Xenoblade DE: Future Connected (FC!Shulk, FC!Melia, Kino & Nene)
• Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Encore (includes the Tsubasa spirit from base along with these new ones: Itsuki Aoi, Toma Akagi, Eleonora Yumizuru, Kiria Kurono)
• Azure Striker Gunvolt, dude I just want ANY kind of Gunvolt content
• Puyo Puyo Tetris 2, assuming Arle isn’t playable
• Duo-themed Spirit event that introduces a single new Spirit: Reiji and Xiaomu (Namco X Capcom/Project X Zone) like how the Black spirit event introduced Lotus as a new spirit
• Lobotomy Corporation (haha what are the chances of THAT happening tho)
• Hades
• Ninja Gaiden (I mean getting a PNG of Hayabusa should be no problem since he’s now confirmed to not be playable)
• Trauma Center... I can’t be the only person who remembers that series right??
• Tales of Symphonia, after Lloyd’s Mii returns

 

[Chaosmaster8753]

New topic: What games would you like to see get Spirit Events (as in ones with brand new spirits)? My picks are:

Etrian Odyssey
Other Final Fantasy series (especially FF11)
Master of Orion
Stars in Shadow
The Sims
Crash Bandicoot (if Crash doesn't make it in as a playable fighter)
Five Nights at Freddy's
Spyro the Dragon
Metal Slug
The Elder Scrolls

• The World Ends With You: This is probably one of the most likely ones seeing how promotion happy Square Enix is with Spirit Events and Neo TWEWY coming out this summer.
• Killer Instinct: I just think it would be neat to see Microsoft allow another major Rare series with Nintendo presence back in the day to cameo in some capacity.
• HADES: It's still selling well on the eShop and Nintendo seems to like bringing it up a lot, so who knows.

 

[SharkLord]

New topic: What games would you like to see get Spirit Events (as in ones with brand new spirits)? My picks are:

Etrian Odyssey
Other Final Fantasy series (especially FF11)
Master of Orion
Stars in Shadow
The Sims
Crash Bandicoot (if Crash doesn't make it in as a playable fighter)
Five Nights at Freddy's
Spyro the Dragon
Metal Slug
The Elder Scrolls

1. Klonoa - Poor guy's easily the smallest and least likely of my wishlist by a large margin. Just some Spirits for Klonoa Encore (Assuming that's bears fruit) and maybe a Mii Costume would be good
2. Trails - My heart's set on Adol, but if we get Ys I think Trails at least warrants some Spirits or Miis
3. Uh...

Haven't put much though in it, actually.

 

[chocolatejr9]

So, did anything noteworthy get revealed at Nintendo's investor thingy?

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Randy Pitchford is just living his dream of becoming Jared.

All he needs to do is join Subway and have a crossover comic with Superman.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Gearbox embezzled money for Aliens: Colonial Marines to fund Borderland 2. They lied about A:CM.

Thanks for explaining better than I could, I had to rush my post out because I was about to work out. Other notable atrocities by Randy/Gearbox include delisting the original Steam version of Duke Nukem 3D for their own which doesn't include the expansions and Steam Workshop support, and shutting down Battleborn's servers in a way that prevents you from ever playing its singleplayer campaign ever again.

 

[SharkLord]

So, did anything noteworthy get revealed at Nintendo's investor thingy?

Well, we got some sales data today

So Nintendo's sale numbers are out... and it's all as impressive as ever. Nuff said.

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2021/210506e.pdf

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2021/210506_3e.pdf

Updated sales numbers for Switch titles: MK8D (35.39M), ACNH (32.63M), Sw/Sh (21.10M), Ring Fit (10.11M), 3D World (5.59M), and more

https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2021/210506e.pdf https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2021/210506_3e.pdf https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/finance/software/index.html updated sales numbers as of March 31, 2021 (+sales in the last quarter): Mario Kart 8 Deluxe - 35.39M (+1.98M) Animal Crossing...

www.resetera.com

Yay for Pikmin finally over 2m

Also:

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Nintendo Switch sales by Region FY21 (April 2020-March 2021, as noted by consolidated financial statement):

• Japan: 6.60 million (Total: 20.04 million)
• Americas: 11.15 million (Total: 33.27 million)
• Europe: 7.15 million (Total: 21.58 million)
• Other regions: 3.93 million (Total: 9.71 million)

 

[Rie Sonomura]

You know, with how well MK8D continues to sell, I don’t think we’ll be seeing MK9 for at LEAST 7 years

they could even just be like surprise ***** here’s more new content

 

[SKX31]

So, did anything noteworthy get revealed at Nintendo's investor thingy?

Aside from what we've already covered? Like Nintendo nominating Illumination's founder (p. 17) as an Outside Director?

Not that much really. Switch sales seem stable if rising a bit from the previous year, BOTW 2 / MP 4 / Bayo 3 still are without release dates, they're putting in even more money into R&D ($880 million)... yeah.

You know, with how well MK8D continues to sell, I don’t think we’ll be seeing MK9 for at LEAST 7 years

they could even just be like surprise ***** here’s more new content

Looks at MK8's past deal with Mercedes.

Hmm... Mercedes' F1 team - incl. Lewis Hamilton as a playable driver - in MK8 when?

 

[DanganZilla5]

Randy Pitchford is just living his dream of becoming Jared.

All he needs to do is join Subway and have a crossover comic with Superman.

Wait really? That happened?

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Gotta love how you didn't even try to deny my claims of you having double standards.

Claims like that usually make people explode with rage around here, but you just ignored it. I'm honestly proud because that's a more mature way to do it.

Unless you hadn't noticed and I just unleashed your rage?

No, no. I'm not upset about it. And yes, I read the crossed through text. I basically have a set of standards for one series and a different set of standards for another. I'm a complex person.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Speaking of Namco characters, I remember there was a reason why we haven't received many Namco spirits, like someone mentioned that Namco don't like their characters projected as ghosts or something. I don't know. I tried searching for it in this thread but I've come up empty. Maybe it was all in my head but there has to some reason we haven't received any Namco spirits yet.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Don’t give me hope that Amaterasu will ever make it in. Please, I love Okami and Okamiden too much to suffer even more hoping we get a revival.

Oh how i hope and pray Okami comes back

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Speaking of Namco characters, I remember there was a reason why we haven't received many Namco spirits, like someone mentioned that Namco don't like their characters projected as ghosts or something. I don't know. I tried searching for it in this thread but I've come up empty. Maybe it was all in my head but there has to some reason we haven't received any Namco spirits yet.

Maybe it’s on the old thread?

that’s super weird tho

 

[SharkLord]

So I swung by the eShop page for the FDC remakes, and uh...

Third-level black belt in karate
Skilled in naginata combat

...So that's how an FDC rep would fight.

And before anyone asks, this is still the case in the prequel, meaning karate and naginata skills are consistent parts of the MC and Ayumi's characterization.

Nothing about heavy metal for Ayumi though. Must've developed that between games.

Character development!

 

[Technomage]

Speaking of Namco characters, I remember there was a reason why we haven't received many Namco spirits, like someone mentioned that Namco don't like their characters projected as ghosts or something. I don't know. I tried searching for it in this thread but I've come up empty. Maybe it was all in my head but there has to some reason we haven't received any Namco spirits yet.

That was me who mentioned that; I learned about that from the Pac-Man Wiki's article on Smash Ultimate (though the article also said "speculated").

 

[Rie Sonomura]

That was me who mentioned that; I learned about that from the Pac-Man Wiki's article on Smash Ultimate (though the article also said "allegedly").

So that passage didn’t cite a source. Until we have one, imma press X to doubt there

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Wait really? That happened?

life is beautiful.

 

[Technomage]

So that passage didn’t cite a source. Until we have one, imma press X to doubt there

I checked the wiki article again, and you're right; that Trivia entry really wasn't cited at all.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

So I swung by the eShop page for the FDC remakes, and uh...
View attachment 314027

...So that's how an FDC rep would fight.

And before anyone asks, this is still the case in the prequel, meaning karate and naginata skills are consistent parts of the MC and Ayumi's characterization.
View attachment 314028
Nothing about heavy metal for Ayumi though. Must've developed that between games.

Character development!

Ah yes, my favourite character development, getting good taste. Now I feel ****ing robbed that she has a basic ***** Japanese schoolgirl outfit instead of something metal or at the very least punk.

Randy Pitchford is just living his dream of becoming Jared.

All he needs to do is join Subway and have a crossover comic with Superman.

Considering two of the most memorable Superman comic moments involve him going ape**** to people who dare harm kids, this means Superman will shoot Pitchford with a revolver

 

[chocolatejr9]

So I swung by the eShop page for the FDC remakes, and uh...
View attachment 314027

...So that's how an FDC rep would fight.

And before anyone asks, this is still the case in the prequel, meaning karate and naginata skills are consistent parts of the MC and Ayumi's characterization.
View attachment 314028
Nothing about heavy metal for Ayumi though. Must've developed that between games.

Character development!

And people say there's no moveset potential...