Official DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

[Dukefire]

Huh, didn't know that. Still, Nintendo does play on their terms.

So I won't be surprised if no Nintendo news would drop this week

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

But anyways, if Capcom DOES end up getting a rep in for DLC, it's gotta be a character from one of their older games or one of their popular characters. And I'm talking about characters like Sakura (the #1 most popular Street Fighter character of all time, no I'm not joking), Makoto (who's the second most popular Street Fighter character and has appeared in only 3 GAMES), Lilith, which is basically a version of Morrigan that came out of left field, Kenji or Strider Hiryu, who are literal NINJAS and since Zeku is pretty much the first Strider, which makes the Strider Hiryu series canon to Street Fighter it makes sense, and I could go ON and ON about many other characters Capcom has left in the dust or is one of their most popular characters.

We'd get Chun-Li before Sakura, Morrigan before Lillith and you never even mentioned Phoenix Wright or Dante which are the most likely candidates.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Again... DISNEY.

He was just making a pun because Sona (LoL) is one letter away from Sora

this comment was unnecessary and a bit mean spirited

 

[RileyXY1]

We'd get Chun-Li before Sakura, Morrigan before Lillith and you never even mentioned Phoenix Wright or Dante which are the most likely candidates.

Yeah. The only SF characters I can see getting in before Chun-Li are M.Bison and Akuma.

 

[chocolatejr9]

They are supposed to release the sales info for last fiscal year literally tomorrow... and, according to ZhugeEX, there’s supposed to be “a lot of gaming news this week”. I imagine Nintendo will partake of that

Don't worry, I found ONE piece of gaming news:

May 6th. 5pm PT. pic.twitter.com/vkhMDWAGxb

— Skullgirls (@Skullgirls) May 5, 2021

What? It gives us an excuse to talk about Skullgirls.

 

[Technomage]

We had a lightweight tournament right before Sephiroth was revealed, and Sephiroth is just as light as Kirby. Likewise, we had two Spirit Events in 2020 (long haired and sleeveless characters) that featured Mythra as one of the most prominent Spirits.

I don't think many people genuinely believe a singing and/or dancing character is deconfirmed, but even if there were, past Spirit Events suggest that the team making these things really don't care if the event is related to an upcoming character.

Woah, really?! With his height and slimness, I'd have thought he'd be at least middleweight.

Then again, maybe that wing isn't the only instance of bird DNA (or whatever) in his genome; maybe he also has hollow bones like birds do?

And speaking of Spirit Events: I do hope we get a spirit/tourney event that has characters that look like chicks as its theme.

What the hell is YIIK

Why does everyone know about it except for me what did I miss

I didn't know about it either, until SmashBoards talked about it; that inspired me to research it to understand the hate it gets.

 

[SNEKeater]

I don't care about Fortnite. I've never played it and I respect people who don't like it, but IDK, most of the times it feels like the hatred towards Fortnite it's because

1. it's popular
2. a lot of kids/casual people play the game

I know some people have their reasons to genuinely dislike the game, but in most cases I feel it's just the same as happened before with Minecraft, which was also hated and criticized... mostly by people who hasn't even played the game.

 

[chocolatejr9]

What the hell is YIIK

Why does everyone know about it except for me what did I miss

You've probably gotten the answer(s) you were looking for, but let's just say this game is... not liked. At all. By anybody.

 

[SKX31]

Mood:





Sees Chocolate's post.

What? It gives us an excuse to talk about Skullgirls.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind Skullgirls appearing in any capacity. While I am not fully familiar with the game, I'd get the impression that Filia / Samson would be the primary choice since they're the centrepiece of the game's advertising and concept - and she might be the easiest to translate over. Specifically, Skullgirls' emphasis on extensions might be something that could be translated over with Filia or any other Skullgirls' character's moveset.

Sakurai and co. might have to do some slight censoring / additional clothes a la (something that Sakurai would want to do in order to keep with CERO regulations and keep that E10 rating), but that's definetely possible to pull off.

Of course, Skullgirls' OST is amazing and I'm all for it being included:

I mean, when you're litterally one of the biggest games on the planet, there's bound to be at least a couple fans who take things a bit too far.

Anyways, if this is anything like other notable gaming fads, Im sure the perception of Fortnite and it's fanbase will mellow a bit over the years. This seems to be a bit of a cycle. The likes of Minecraft, Undertale, and even Pokemon used to have the same reputation but they've seem to have come into their own.

I don't care about Fortnite. I've never played it and I respect people who don't like it, but IDK, most of the times it feels like the hatred towards Fortnite it's because

1. it's popular
2. a lot of kids/casual people play the game

I know some people have their reasons to genuinely dislike the game, but in most cases I feel it's just the same as happened before with Minecraft, which was also hated and criticized... mostly by people who hasn't even played the game.

It's also worth pointing out that once upon a time games like Pong, Pac-Man and SMB were met with a lot of the same criticisms. The 1988 ABC special "Nuts for Nintendo" has a lot of those tones, especially with how Nintendo's being compared with toy businesses and some parents included in the special are clearly befuddled. I mean, the special opens with: "We don't know how to play Zelda, but we do know why kids love them, and critics hate them!"

 

[osby]

Skullgirls could be interesting but I wouldn't be jealous of the poor souls who had to transfer that game's animations into 3D models.

 

[Dukefire]

It is the meta to hate something that's popular or the hot topic. Nothing new there.

 

[SharkLord]

What the hell is YIIK

Why does everyone know about it except for me what did I miss

An attempt at a "postmodern" RPG, heavily hampered by a lot of issues. From what I read, the major outliers are an unlikeable protagonist, botched attempts at sudden mood shifts that become jarring rather than funny, and both dialogue and gameplay alike being dragged out to an annoying degree, plus a pretty insensitive nod to a real-life tragedy. Also the developer basically threw a fit about the game's criticism apparently which doesn't do any favors.

 

[Pillow]

I hate Fortnite because seeing young people enjoy things I don’t reminds me of what a crotchety old man I’ve become.

 

[Gengar84]

My only issue with Fortnite is that Jonesy has kind of a boring looking design. I have no problems with a game being popular that I have no interest in playing. I’m totally fine with an Overwatch or League of Legends character despite having no interest in competitive multiplayer only games because the characters have cool designs. That being said, I’m not going to get upset if Jonesy did somehow make it in.

 

[Garteam]

Alex YIIK's final smash should be a 5-minute monologue about absolutely nothing. Just lift random sentences from a bunch of old Philosophy textbooks and arbitrarily string them together on a textbox.

 

[Gengar84]

I just had a crazy thought that is probably never going to happen. How would everyone feel if we ended up getting Zaveid over any of the main characters of Tales? While he isn’t a main protagonist, he is the only character I’m aware of to play a major role in two Tales games (other than direct sequels where the whole cast returns). I think that at least gives him some advantage over the other side characters. I loved Zaveid and I think he could make for a really fun Smash character. I don’t think he’s very likely, but it’s fun to think about.

 

[Technomage]

I just had a crazy thought that is probably never going to happen. How would everyone feel if we ended up getting Zaveid over any of the main characters of Tales? While he isn’t a main protagonist, he is the only character I’m aware of to play a major role in two Tales games (other than direct sequels where the whole cast returns). I think that at least gives him some advantage over the other side characters. I loved Zaveid and I think he could make for a really fun Smash character. I don’t think he’s very likely, but it’s fun to think about.

Sounds like a good argument.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

What the hell is YIIK

Why does everyone know about it except for me what did I miss

YIIK is an RPG. The issue starts just with the name of the game, that you would read "Yikes" when it's supposed to be "Y2K", even the creator had to write this on the steam page.

To resume why it's bad, two major points:

The characters are bad. They lack depth. They lack authenticity. The friendship of the group doesn't feel real. The main character is unlikable, however he doesn't get better at all at the end of the game. He is detestable, but not in a good way, since he is also boring and cannot bother to listen to other people explaining stuff to him. If he actually bother noticing some details, at least two chapters wouldn't have happened. I'm not joking. If he went to the graveyard, he would have noticed the one where the little sister you have to search is buried, and avoid going to a dungeon where a guy claimed he saw her. And another chapter, he went to look for the name of an artist or a music (I don't recall) which... Was written on the cover. Took four hours ingame for the MC to solve that.

The gameplay is bad. To deal damage, you have to play minigames. However, for four out of six characters, even if you do it extremely well, your damage will be laughable, and one of the six characters cannot even attack. That's not a problem for long though, because the MC (again) becomes extremely op mid game and deals thousands of damages to all enemies. The last defeatable boss only has 5,000HP.

It's not worth your time.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I just had a crazy thought that is probably never going to happen. How would everyone feel if we ended up getting Zaveid over any of the main characters of Tales? While he isn’t a main protagonist, he is the only character I’m aware of to play a major role in two Tales games (other than direct sequels where the whole cast returns). I think that at least gives him some advantage over the other side characters. I loved Zaveid and I think he could make for a really fun Smash character. I don’t think he’s very likely, but it’s fun to think about.

Zaveid was a fun character but maaaaaaaaan I'd feel robbed from Velvet, easily one of my favourite protagonists and she's one of the flashiest fighters I have ever seen that could join Smash

 

[Gengar84]

Zaveid was a fun character but maaaaaaaaan I'd feel robbed from Velvet, easily one of my favourite protagonists and she's one of the flashiest fighters I have ever seen that could join Smash

Velvet is my most wanted as well but I’d honestly be really happy with either of them. Velvet was my favorite in Berseria although I loved the whole cast while Zaveid was my favorite from Zesteria.

 

[Pillow]

Why's everyone always talking about Lloyd, Yuri, and Velvet? Why does nobody talk about my girl Pascal?

And don't tell me it's cuz she's a side character from a game that's neither the most recent or popular. If you do I'll forehead flick my cat.

 

[Mapusaurus]

me: it wont be a boring end to the pass

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Why's everyone always talking about Lloyd, Yuri, and Velvet? Why does nobody talk about my girl Pascal?

And don't tell me it's cuz she's a side character from a game that's neither the most recent or popular. If you do I'll forehead flick my cat.

That's easy, for you see....


I have no clue who Pascal is, care to explain? I can always appreciate a good sales pitch

 

[Garteam]

If anyone is really curious about YIIK, this is probably the best analysis of the game I've personally seen. It does an excellent job of breaking YIIK down bit by bit to examine its flaws in a clear, chronological order while contrasting with other games that have done these ideas better to really illustrate the point. It's also one of the few videos I've seen that actually gives YIIK credit when it deserves it and focuses on how a sequel/successor could build off these strengths while addressing YIIK's many, many faults.

Be warned, the author does have a very, very vulgar and edgy sense of humour (with uncensored swearing), so that might turn some people off if you're not into that sort of thing, but the review itself is so well constructed that I would genuinely feel remiss if I didn't post it.

 

[Pillow]

That's easy, for you see....


I have no clue who Pascal is, care to explain? I can always appreciate a good sales pitch

She was the genius inventor character from Tales of Graces. Honestly, it wasn't a fantastic game imo, but I remember Pascal because she was my favorite party member to play as out of every Tales game basically using her staff like a sniper rifle which I thought was super cool. She also stood out as the only female party member in that game that didn't have absolutely atrocious visual design.

 

[Gengar84]

She was the genius inventor character from Tales of Graces. Honestly, it wasn't a fantastic game imo, but I remember Pascal because she was my favorite party member to play as out of every Tales game basically using her staff like a sniper rifle which I thought was super cool. She also stood out as the only female party member in that game that didn't have absolutely atrocious visual design.

Pascal was great. She was definitely one of the more enjoyable Tales characters. I agree for the most part on the character design but I think Malik looked cool at least.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

If I were to make any Tales side character playable it would be Magilou. She is my favorite Tales character ever from my favorite Tales game.

 

[Gengar84]

If I were to make any Tales side character playable it would be Magilou. She is my favorite Tales character ever from my favorite Tales game.

I loved Magilou too. Honestly, I think Berseria’s entire cast was amazing (minus maybe Laphicet). I’d love to see any of them make it in.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

In preparation for Mass Effect, who would you all like to see in Smash out of all the characters?

for

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

We'd get Chun-Li before Sakura,

THIS says otherwise...

See, Capcom had a popularity poll, and Chun-Li was in 6th place. Who was Number 1? Sakura. I know popularity doesn't mean much, but in the words of Thorgi's Arcade, it does mean SOMETHING. Hey, on that same poll, Makoto got SECOND PLACE and she's been in only THREE STREET FIGHTER GAMES.

Morrigan before Lillith

Lilith before Morrigan. Lilith before Morrigan "I show up in every Capcom crossover" Aensland. I.... I really don't know how to take this.

Alright, The Stoopid Unikorn and Hydreigonfan01 ... allow me to explain why I put Lilith before Morrigan. From my honest to god point of view, I honestly think that Capcom should give Morrigan a rest when it comes to Darkstalkers. Because, not only has Morrigan been the Darkstalkers representative in crossover fighting game Capcom has ever made, she's been the Darkstalkers representative in EVERYTHING. The ONLY crossover that never had Morrigan involved even though it had a Darkstalkers character in it (that being Demitri Maximoff) was 2003's SNK vs. Capcom: SVC Chaos, which took place before The King of Fighters 2003 and Mega Man Zero 2 respectively. While SVC Chaos wasn't the greatest game in the world, SNK made a point across very clearly: Capcom should REALLY give Morrigan a break and give other Darkstalkers representatives a chance to shine in crossover fighting games, because if you put any Darkstalkers character in a fighting game and add Morrigan in there, Ms. "I Show Up In Everything Related To Darkstalkers" (that being Morrigan) always steals the spotlight from every other Darkstalkers character.

and you never even mentioned Phoenix Wright or Dante which are the most likely candidates.

In terms of Devil May Cry, I think Nero would be more likely. Plus, Phoenix Wright doesn't have that feeling that spells out Smash Bros. Again: Smash Bros. is for gaming's greatest characters to duke it out in the ring. A lawyer doesn't have that kind of feel.

He was just making a pun because Sona (LoL) is one letter away from Sora

this comment was unnecessary and a bit mean spirited

Yeah... I'm sorry about that. I just didn't know that a pun was being made until I saw the PAC-Man Smash 4 emoji after I posted it.

 

[Deleted member]

Plus, Phoenix Wright doesn't have that feeling that spells out Smash Bros. Again: Smash Bros. is for gaming's greatest characters to duke it out in the ring. A lawyer doesn't have that kind of feel.

Neither does:
An anthropomorphic dog
A dog everyone actively hated being ridden by the duck he actively tried to have the player kill in large droves
the early Pokemon anime's version of a meme
A pair of ice-climbing siblings from a game that would have remained in absolute obscurity if not for this series
A character from a series whose inhabitants are supposed to be only a few inches tall at most
A literal plant
Or a random citizen of a nameless small-time town

 

[ahemtoday]

THIS says otherwise...

See, Capcom had a popularity poll, and Chun-Li was in 6th place. Who was Number 1? Sakura. I know popularity doesn't mean much, but in the words of Thorgi's Arcade, it does mean SOMETHING. Hey, on that same poll, Makoto got SECOND PLACE and she's been in only THREE STREET FIGHTER GAMES.

Right, but in general there tends to be a hierarchy to how important a character is to the series. That tends to be only loosely correlated to popularity, if at all. I mean, clearly popularity isn't everything, otherwise we'd have just gotten Sakura instead of Ryu, and Makoto would be in a lot more stuff than she is.

And as long as we're talking likelihood... Capcom just kind of always goes with Ryu and then Chun-Li for everything, and I don't particularly see why Smash would deviate from that.

Yeah, about that... I honestly think that Capcom should give Morrigan a rest when it comes to Darkstalkers. Because, not only has Morrigan been the Darkstalkers representative in crossover fighting games, she's been the Darkstalkers representative in EVERYTHING. They should REALLY give Morrigan a rest and give another Darkstalkers representative to shine in a crossover fighting game, because Morrigan always steals the spotlight from every other Darkstalkers character.

Eh, maybe they should, but they probably wouldn't. And in any case, if you want a change from Morrigan, I think Lilith - the clone of Morrigan - is the worst possible candidate.

...Wouldn't necessarily complain if we got Hsien-Ko or B.B. Hood or something, though.

In terms of Devil May Cry, I think Nero would be more likely.

How come? I don't think Nero being the protagonist of the last two games is gonna override Dante's momentum from the first three. Especially not when he's still a pretty major part of Nero's games.

Plus, Phoenix Wright doesn't have that feeling that spells out Smash Bros. Again: Smash Bros. is for gaming's greatest characters to duke it out in the ring. A lawyer doesn't have that kind of feel.

What, and a dog secretary does?

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Neither does:
An anthropomorphic dog
A dog everyone actively hated being ridden by the duck he actively tried to have the player kill in large droves
the early Pokemon anime's version of a meme
A pair of ice-climbing siblings from a game that would have remained in absolute obscurity if not for this series
A character from a series whose inhabitants are supposed to be only a few inches tall at most
A literal plant
Or a random citizen of a nameless small-time town

True, but at least those you mentioned were actually given their own moveset and were made to FEEL like they were a part of Smash. Hell, Captain Falcon had no moveset at all as he came from a racing game where all he did was sit inside his vehicle and Nintendo pulled a Jin Saotome in Marvel vs. Capcom on him. Phoenix Wright? He just does lawyer stuff. In a fighting game. He might have surprisingly fit the oddball bill for Marvel vs. Capcom 3, but NOT for Smash. i'm sorry.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

Neither does:
An anthropomorphic dog
A dog everyone actively hated being ridden by the duck he actively tried to have the player kill in large droves
the early Pokemon anime's version of a meme
A pair of ice-climbing siblings from a game that would have remained in absolute obscurity if not for this series
A character from a series whose inhabitants are supposed to be only a few inches tall at most
A literal plant
Or a random citizen of a nameless small-time town

How could you forget a 9th grader's first time 3D modelling

 

[Schnee117]

Reminder that some of "gaming's greatest characters" includes an electric rat and an Italian plumber seeing as we're downplaying characters.

 

[DarthEnderX]

THIS says otherwise...

Cool. It's wrong.

 

[Brother AJ]

So how many MWs does everyone have? Currently I have 27. There's also several that I'd like to see for the sake of others like Geno and Issac, but I didn't want to type out that many. A great deal will probably never happen, but it's fun to have dreams. It's fun to have lists honestly. I love lists.

1. Crash Bandicoot
2. Ryu Hayabusa
3. Leon Kennedy
4. Master Chief
5. Tracer
6. Viewtiful Joe
7. Kratos
8. Rayman
9. Bomberman
10. Dante
11. Ezio Auditore
12. Scorpion
13. Spyro the Dragon
14. Lara Croft
15. Nightmare (Soul Caliber)
16. Travis Touchdown
17. Nathan Drake
18. Cole MacGrath
19. Shadow the Hedgehog
20. Dr. Ivo "Eggman" Robotnik
21. Miles "Tails" Prower
22. Knuckles the Echidna
23. Shovel Knignt
24. Doom Guy
25. Dixie Kong
26. Bandana Waddle Dee
27. Skull Kid

 

[Deleted member]

How could you forget a 9th grader's first time 3D modelling

I'm not a fan of minecraft and any attempt to simplify him likely would have resulted in me insulting him, so I opted not to mention him at all so as to not displease his fans lol.

 

[Yoshi-Thomas]

Or a random citizen of a nameless small-time town

Actually it's a murderer hiding his intents. A perfect opponent to Phoenix Wright. Second best.

The first one is obviously Yoshi who has been committing tax frauds for 15 years.

 

[Adrianette Bromide]

I'm not a fan of minecraft and any attempt to simplify him likely would have resulted in me insulting him, so I opted not to mention him at all so as to not displease his fans lol.

That's cool, I'm a Steve main so I actively like poking fun at how silly he is (in a good way imo)