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Official DLC Character Discussion Thread - Read the new sticky/announcement

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Are you thinking of this from a fan standpoint or a company one, why would Nintendo ever give free publicity to a character owned by a competitor in consoles. Unless Banjo gets a Wii U release in the coming months Nintendo has no reasons to add him.
And MegaMan wasn't getting a new game any time soon. They have no reason to add him, right? All that matters is that Sakurai wants him, and Microsoft and Nintendo agree on a proper contract. Having a new game come out isn't a big deal at all since the whole point of DLC is adding characters that people want to play as anyway.

Ryu also proves that point invalid as his next game is a PS4 exclusive. Didn't stop Sakurai and Nintendo from making a new contract with Capcom USA to get him.

The DLC characters are not actual advertisements anyway, so "having a new game" isn't a reason to choose a character. Or to avoid one. Banjo & Kazooie is a bit unlikely, but that's simply because we have 3 things to note; Sakurai actually figuring out a good moveset, Sakurai interested in making him in the first place, and Microsoft and Nintendo cooperating. A "new game" hasn't been relevant to DLC for Smash at all(beyond maybe announcing when the DLC character is coming out, but it has had no effect on the choices thus far, nor is there a reason to think it will affect the choices).
 

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Are you thinking of this from a fan standpoint or a company one, why would Nintendo ever give free publicity to a character owned by a competitor in consoles. Unless Banjo gets a Wii U release in the coming months Nintendo has no reasons to add him.
Except for his fan demand...It is possible Nintendo may be willing to collaborate for the sake of the fans...and if Ryu's any indication, with SFV being Playstation exclusive so far, whether or not they have an upcoming game isn't the problem...Phil Spencer having 'no issues' just makes it easier for this to happen...
The thing is everyone assumes that Smash is one giant marketing ploy, which its not by intent...
 
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And MegaMan wasn't getting a new game any time soon. They have no reason to add him, right? All that matters is that Sakurai wants him, and Microsoft and Nintendo agree on a proper contract. Having a new game come out isn't a big deal at all since the whole point of DLC is adding characters that people want to play as anyway.

Ryu also proves that point invalid as his next game is a PS4 exclusive. Didn't stop Sakurai and Nintendo from making a new contract with Capcom USA to get him.

The DLC characters are not actual advertisements anyway, so "having a new game" isn't a reason to choose a character. Or to avoid one. Banjo & Kazooie is a bit unlikely, but that's simply because we have 3 things to note; Sakurai actually figuring out a good moveset, Sakurai interested in making him in the first place, and Microsoft and Nintendo cooperating. A "new game" hasn't been relevant to DLC for Smash at all(beyond maybe announcing when the DLC character is coming out, but it has had no effect on the choices thus far, nor is there a reason to think it will affect the choices).
Microsoft is a direct competitor in the console market unlike Capcom. Nintendo and Capcom have had strong ties, just like with Namco and Sega. You forget that whether or not Phil Spencer is ok with it Nintendo still must pay to include the character, and with nothing in return from Microsoft, Nintendo would just be giving them money. And if Microsoft just so happens to make a HD Banjo or another Banjo game for Xbone that's just more money for them.
 

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Except for his fan demand...It is possible Nintendo may be willing to collaborate for the sake of the fans...and if Ryu's any indication, with SFV being Playstation exclusive so far, whether or not they have an upcoming game isn't the problem...Phil Spencer having 'no issues' just makes it easier for this to happen...
The thing is everyone assumes that Smash is one giant marketing ploy, which its not by intent...
Once again, MS is a direct competitor in the console market and even with Phils OK, Nintendo still has to pay for the character. They would just be giving MS money. Also, while smash isn't all about marketing its still a pretty big factor. Look at the characters the put in, on the site itself they even advertised the most recent game for each of the characters.
 

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And MegaMan wasn't getting a new game any time soon. They have no reason to add him, right? All that matters is that Sakurai wants him, and Microsoft and Nintendo agree on a proper contract. Having a new game come out isn't a big deal at all since the whole point of DLC is adding characters that people want to play as anyway.

Ryu also proves that point invalid as his next game is a PS4 exclusive. Didn't stop Sakurai and Nintendo from making a new contract with Capcom USA to get him.

The DLC characters are not actual advertisements anyway, so "having a new game" isn't a reason to choose a character. Or to avoid one. Banjo & Kazooie is a bit unlikely, but that's simply because we have 3 things to note; Sakurai actually figuring out a good moveset, Sakurai interested in making him in the first place, and Microsoft and Nintendo cooperating. A "new game" hasn't been relevant to DLC for Smash at all(beyond maybe announcing when the DLC character is coming out, but it has had no effect on the choices thus far, nor is there a reason to think it will affect the choices).
It's less of a now factor but more of a future and "what will you do for me lately" type thing.

Smash may not be an advertisement machine but Third Parties aside from Snake atleast had air have a major future on Nintendo consoles.

Just because SF5 is on PS4 doesn't mean that the SF franchise itself is never gonna be on Nintendo platforms and even Capcom fighters in general. Project X Xone 2 is coming out this year with staring Ryu exclusive to the 3DS, Pac-Man has many games from collections titles to whatever else, Megaman has new game coming out on 3DS and Sonic in general has a nice home on Nintendo consoles and those Olympic Games with Mario are BIG for them.

B&K at much doesn't have any future with Nintendo or even any connections with them in the last 10+ years. Plus it seems more of a benefit to MS than them.

"But it's for the fans, isn't it"

Yes it is, but his situation is different compared to most third parties and Spencer has barely any control on the IP just for a spot in Smash and it depends moreso on Nintendo and Sakurai already it how he relationship with Rare before is the reason why he didn't get in before in the first 2 Smash games.

Even then he has a small shot but he is different level of IPs and from the competition and despite their games not lapping over like Sony with both of them, they are still on the opposite sides and his chances depend on Sakurai himself and I hate to hurt you guys but Banjo isn't in any sense of the word 'Iconic' which is what the standard of third parties.

Popular, probably yes
Iconic, NOOOOO.
 

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Once again, MS is a direct competitor in the console market and even with Phils OK, Nintendo still has to pay for the character. They would just be giving MS money. Also, while smash isn't all about marketing its still a pretty big factor. Look at the characters the put in, on the site itself they even advertised the most recent game for each of the characters.
Like I said Smash isn't a marketing ploy...Look I'm not saying its going to happen, a collaboration between Nintendo and Microsoft, Rare specifically, is highly unlikely but I am simply stating the possibility that Nintendo might also have 'no issues' in the same regard as Phil Spencer...

It's called being 'open-minded'...
 

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Like I said Smash isn't a marketing ploy...Look I'm not saying its going to happen, a collaboration between Nintendo and Microsoft, Rare specifically, is highly unlikely but I am simply stating the possibility that Nintendo might also have 'no issues' in the same regard as Phil Spencer...

It's called being 'open-minded'...
If smash really had no marketing to it then the official smash website wouldn't advertise the games that each of the fighters were in. And I'm open to the idea but its more wishful thinking than being open minded.
 

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Like I said Smash isn't a marketing ploy...Look I'm not saying its going to happen, a collaboration between Nintendo and Microsoft, Rare specifically, is highly unlikely but I am simply stating the possibility that Nintendo might also have 'no issues' in the same regard as Phil Spencer...

It's called being 'open-minded'...
If you open your mind too much your brain falls out. Be warned.

Just keep a healthy mindset regarding Banjo's real chances and you'll be fine.

Smash tends to focus on the previous generation for inspiration IMO, particularly with Pokemon and Fire Emblem, so there is certainly an element of advertising involved as well...it's just advertising the previous generation.
 
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If smash really had no marketing to it then the official smash website wouldn't advertise the games that each of the fighters were in. And I'm open to the idea but its more wishful thinking than being open minded.
That's not really what I meant...obviously Nintendo wants to promote and advertise the content within Smash to generate interest, but what I'm saying is that when content is added into Smash it is not necessarily for promotional purposes...sure some games like Fire Emblem and Earthbound benefitted greatly due to their Smash exposure but characters aren't necessarily added to boost their respective game's sales...Sakurai and Nintendo aren't treating Smash like some advertising billboard....if that were the case then the roster would look very different to what it does now...
 

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i made this, i did put possible DLC characters as much as i can (i know the roster wont end up like this)

Mario seires: :4mario:, :4luigi:, :4peach:, :4bowser:, :rosalina:, :4bowserjr:, :4larry:, :4roy:, :4wendy:, :4iggy:, :4morton:, :4lemmy:, :4ludwig:, :4drmario:, Daisy, Petey piranha, Prof. e. gadd, Wart, Captain toad, Fawful, Paper mario
Yoshi seires: :4yoshi:, Stork
Wario seires: :4wario:, 9-Volt, Mona, Captain syrup
Donkey kong seires: :4dk:, :4diddy:, King k. rool, Donkey kong jr., Dixie kong, Stanley
Game & watch seires: :4gaw:
Punch-out seires: :4littlemac:, King hippo
Legend of zelda seires: :4link:, :4zelda:, :4ganondorf:, :4sheik:, :4tlink:, :younglinkmelee:, Ganon, Impa, Tetra, Vaati
Kid icarus seires: :4pit:, :4palutena:, :4darkpit:
Light gun seires: :4duckhunt:
Metroid seires: :4samus:, :4zss:, Sylux
Fire emblem seires: :4marth:, :4myfriends:, :4robinm:, :4lucina:, :4feroy:, Black knight
Kirby seires: :4kirby:, :4dedede:, :4metaknight:, Gooey, Daroach, Adeleine, Bandana/Waddle dee
Star fox seires: :4fox:, :4falco:, :wolf:, Krystal, Slippy
Gyromite seires: :4rob:
Pokemon seires: :4pikachu:, :4charizard:, :4lucario:, :4jigglypuff:, :4greninja:, :4mewtwo:, :pt:, :ivysaur:, :squirtle:, :pichumelee:, Grovyle (PMD), Sceptile
Animal crossing seires: :4villager:, Mr. resetti
Pikmin seires: :4olimar:, :4alph:
F-zero seires: :4falcon:, Black shadow, Blood falcon
Mother seires: :4ness:, :4lucas:, Ninten
Wii fit seires: :4wiifit:
Xenonblade seires: :4shulk:
Other nintendo seires: Ray MK III, Hero (fossil fighter), Jill, Chibi-robo, Tempo, Mallo, Isaac, Barbara, Kururin, Captain rainbow, Zael
Rythem heaven seires: Marshal, Karate joe
Advance wars seires: Andy, Sami
Ice climbers seires: :popo:
Other retro seires: Mach rider, Ayumi, Mike jones, Ballon fighter, Exitebiker, Tamagon, Star man, :kirby64:, Bubbles, Muddy mole, Lip
Game freak/SEGA seires: Pulseman
Nintendo power/Nester funky bowling seires: Nester
NAMCO seires: :4pacman:, Heihachi, Dig dug
CAPCOM seires: :4megaman:, :4ryu:, Sir arthur
SEGA seires: :4sonic:, Akira, Alex kidd
Konami seires: :snake:, Bomberman, Simon belmont, Goemon
Ubisoft seires: Rayman
Square enix seires: Black mage, Slime
Rareware seires: Banjo-kazooie, Rash, Conker
Other 3rd party seires: Crash bandicoot, Spyro, Earth worm jim
Mii seires: :4miibrawl:, :4miisword:, :4miigun:
Nintendo/Square enix seires: Mallow, Geno

Assist trophies and pokeball and stage hazards are not included because they are not possible to be DLC in smash 4 and they are deconfirmed until smash 5 maybe save them.
Sakurai: "We aren't going to make a lot of DLC characters" "From now on it'll be fanservice"
Wart, Stork, Wario characters, DK Jr, Stanley, King Hippo, Black Knight, Gooey, Slippy, Pokemon Trainer, Grovyle AND Sceptile, Resetti, Blood Falcon, arguably Black Shadow, Ninten, Ray MKIII, Hero, Jill, Tempo, Mallo, Barbara, Kururin, Captain Rainbow, Zael, , Marshal, Karate Joe, Andy AND Sami, Ice Climbers, Mach Rider, Ayumi, Mike Jones, Balloon Fight, Tamagon, Star Man, Sukapon, Bubbles, Muddy Mole, Lip, Pulseman, Nester, Heihachi, Dig Dug, Arthur, Akira, Alex Kidd, Goemon, Rash, Conker, Crash, Spyro, Earthworm Jim, Mallow AND Geno don't qualify. Nester debuted in comics, not to mention you don't seem to understand what this means
 

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Sakurai: "We aren't going to make a lot of DLC characters" "From now on it'll be fanservice"
Wart, Stork, Wario characters, DK Jr, Stanley, King Hippo, Black Knight, Gooey, Slippy, Pokemon Trainer, Grovyle AND Sceptile, Resetti, Blood Falcon, arguably Black Shadow, Ninten, Ray MKIII, Hero, Jill, Tempo, Mallo, Barbara, Kururin, Captain Rainbow, Zael, , Marshal, Karate Joe, Andy AND Sami, Ice Climbers, Mach Rider, Ayumi, Mike Jones, Balloon Fight, Tamagon, Star Man, Sukapon, Bubbles, Muddy Mole, Lip, Pulseman, Nester, Heihachi, Dig Dug, Arthur, Akira, Alex Kidd, Goemon, Rash, Conker, Crash, Spyro, Earthworm Jim, Mallow AND Geno don't qualify. Nester debuted in comics, not to mention you don't seem to understand what this means
I always put characters as much as I can there is a lot of possibilities also remember each character has fans (even if some of them are too small) but I agree with Nester
 
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I feel like people suggest points for or against certain characters as if Sakurai has never considered them.

For example, "Ridley is super important to Metroid!" Yeah, I mean...duh. Sakurai knows that. He's simply trying to keep things true as they are.

Something to note is that Sakurai has ( I think ) referenced to the characters in the game as action figures. So that makes me wonder...for each character/supporting character, getting an action figure/ accessories, a lot of stuff in Smash makes sense. Think of Sakurai as a toy manufacturer, and he is in charge of making accurate action figures.

All characters are true to themselves. That means that they're true to their abilities with whatever accessories they have, but they're all true in shape and size. Selling a Samus action figure at the same size as a Ridley action figure, or a Mega Man action figure at the same size as Yellow Devil puts things off a little bit. But hey, that's just me.
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3rd parties...I love Banjo to death, and as much as I want him, I just don't think that it'll happen. If they're DLC, that means amiibo as well. How much money would Nintendo really be making? What other software would that amiibo work in? Odds are, it wouldn't be worth it in that case. Sure, the demand is there. But it takes waaaaaaaaaaaay more than demand for things to happen.

Another note on 3rd parties...people really...REALLY overstate the chances an Indie character has to get into Smash. A lot of supporters completely disregard the fact that we've had HUGE video game stars in Smash. Ryu is freaking Ryu. Indie characters are not on the same plain as the 5 we've gotten, end of story. Each character has had a legacy. Something that can arguably put them on a similar plain to Mario.
 
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Not all of them
They actually have chance but most of them are veryyyyyyy unlucky
If they aren't popular, they have ABSOLUTE ZERO CHANCE! Imagine if I dunno, a Nawty from DKC becomes DLC, would people buy it? No! They don't want Nawties playable, they want popular characters they like! It would be a waste of time and money, especially with the limited options. I get your a kid, but surely you must know about this! It's the most important part of business, make something people want, it'll sell like hot cakes!
 
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The inherent problem with Smash speculation, is that everybody has their own perspective/preferences, so what seems likely to one will not be the same as another.

Granted, I think there are certain characters that have...absolutely no chance. But it also depends on what one considers to be a "chance" versus "a GOOD chance".
 

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The inherent problem with Smash speculation, is that everybody has their own perspective/preferences, so what seems likely to one will not be the same as another.

Granted, I think there are certain characters that have...absolutely no chance. But it also depends on what one considers to be a "chance" versus "a GOOD chance".
What's also a problem is that we don't have a clear number of DLC characters that remain, though most people seem to think we'll get another 5 maximum
 

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If they aren't popular, they have ABSOLUTE ZERO CHANCE! Imagine if I dunno, a Nawty from DKC becomes DLC, would people buy it? No! They don't want Nawties playable, they want popular characters they like! It would be a waste of time and money, especially with the limited options. I get your a kid, but surely you must know about this! It's the most important part of business, make something people want, it'll sell like hot cakes!
You don't really need to shout...
I call most of them super super unlucky so don't turn this into a big thing so calm down
 

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I call most of them super super unlucky so don't turn this into a big thing so calm down
what the hell do you mean with unlucky? The only character you mentioned I would call unlucky is Banjo, as he's got the popularity, but is a owned by the direct competition of Nintendo. If we are only getting popular characters, any character who isn't uber popular isn't getting in, simple as that, not to mention there's the moveset and copyright stuff that could be problematic for some
 

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Sakurai should stop after K. Rool and Wolf
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I'm kidding but some part of me suspects that
 

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The Golden Sun fangirl in me was about to scream
Okay, let me fix that

Sakurai should stop after Wolf, K. Rool AND Issac.

And just release alternate costumes for characters (NOT MIIS), more stages and extra game modes

But that's just me
 

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Top 3 wanted Legend of Zelda newcomers? I know the Legend of Zelda characters were discussed a lot in the previous thread already, but I never did get an idea of the overall preference when it comes to it. I think the discussions were mostly about having a Ganondorf true to the LoZ games or Ganon.

1. Tetra
2. Impa (Hyrule Warriors)
3. Vaati (I'll talk a bit about below)

Honorable mention(s):
Dahpnes Nohansen Hyrule, AKA King of Red Lions - Would be something to see him and Ganondorf duke it out in Smash! :troll: Seriously, that area of the final boss fight looks like it could be a decent stage. Fighting while the old Hyrule is being flooded by the Great Sea...
That king ruined Toon Ganondorf's dreams by touching the Triforce before the final fight. Just plain savage, I tell you!

Nabooru
Could use twin sabers to fight and also be that dual-wielding sword user that almost no one asked for. Too minor to for a one-shot character to be considered. Would have liked to see the true Gerudo leader getting to duel with Ganondorf. There are just way more characters with bigger roles than her, though. She could use a redesign in a certain spin-off game. Just what was Nabooru's promise to Young Link? We'll never know.

Vaati - (Even though he is my 3rd most wanted, I'll still talk about him here) Haven't seen him do much outside of his transformations, but I'm sure the Wind Mage has moveset potential that makes sense. He could totally get in with Capcom being already involved with this game(If there was any barrier in the first place?). Wow, yet another character that should fight Ganondorf. I also want at least one of his themes to be remixed and join in with him. Vaati Battle is my favorite out of the four.
Midna - Not a fan of the character or the game, Twilight Princess, but I think she could be done decently for this game. With true form or as imp riding Wolf Link.

Darunia - Ehh, for dancing to Saria's Song as a victory thing?
 

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Only way I'm buying costumes is if they're part of a huge bundle and they're things like Mr L, Dry Bowser, Great Lord Lucina, Pseudo Palutena etc.
 

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Sorry but this is just silly

If you're going to vote for someone you know has no chance, you might as well just not vote. You've basically just done a few clicks that were completely pointless, and wasted the chance to make those clicks actually mean something.


Oh, well then sit down boys, girls and in-betweens and shut your faces as I wrap you in the warm blanket of a story

Once upon a time a very wonderful man announced a special voting, but not just any voting, children, this was a wonderful voting for people all around this delightful world to vote who they wanted playable in the game of Smash Brothers.

Now of course every boy and every girl and every in-between had someone they wanted to see playable, but you see some of those characters had roles of their own to fulfill such as appearing for a special move or perhaps that one chap that inflates a balloon and flies away sometimes, always an interesting one that one.

But you see even these these roles, the boys girl and the inbetweens voted for them still, and do you know why this was children, why yes,, it's because those characters were their favourite characters and they wanted to play as them even if they already had a different role.

That's what that wonderful man wanted you see Children, he wanted people to vote for who THEY wanted to see playable not who everyone ELSE wanted and even if they didn't end up playable this time, perhaps the impact they made would improve their favourite characters NEXT time!

And that is the story boys, girls and inbetweens, even if what you do doesn't immediately change things, good things comes in time, you could have ended up making a big difference in the world after all and that's why we need you to stick around and help us out.
 

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i made this, i did put possible DLC characters as much as i can (i know the roster wont end up like this)

Mario seires: :4mario:, :4luigi:, :4peach:, :4bowser:, :rosalina:, :4bowserjr:, :4larry:, :4roy:, :4wendy:, :4iggy:, :4morton:, :4lemmy:, :4ludwig:, :4drmario:, Daisy, Petey piranha, Prof. e. gadd, Wart, Captain toad, Fawful, Paper mario
Yoshi seires: :4yoshi:, Stork
Wario seires: :4wario:, 9-Volt, Mona, Captain syrup
Donkey kong seires: :4dk:, :4diddy:, King k. rool, Donkey kong jr., Dixie kong, Stanley
Game & watch seires: :4gaw:
Punch-out seires: :4littlemac:, King hippo
Legend of zelda seires: :4link:, :4zelda:, :4ganondorf:, :4sheik:, :4tlink:, :younglinkmelee:, Ganon, Impa, Tetra, Vaati
Kid icarus seires: :4pit:, :4palutena:, :4darkpit:
Light gun seires: :4duckhunt:
Metroid seires: :4samus:, :4zss:, Sylux
Fire emblem seires: :4marth:, :4myfriends:, :4robinm:, :4lucina:, :4feroy:, Black knight
Kirby seires: :4kirby:, :4dedede:, :4metaknight:, Gooey, Daroach, Adeleine, Bandana/Waddle dee
Star fox seires: :4fox:, :4falco:, :wolf:, Krystal, Slippy
Gyromite seires: :4rob:
Pokemon seires: :4pikachu:, :4charizard:, :4lucario:, :4jigglypuff:, :4greninja:, :4mewtwo:, :pt:, :ivysaur:, :squirtle:, :pichumelee:, Grovyle (PMD), Sceptile
Animal crossing seires: :4villager:, Mr. resetti
Pikmin seires: :4olimar:, :4alph:
F-zero seires: :4falcon:, Black shadow, Blood falcon
Mother seires: :4ness:, :4lucas:, Ninten
Wii fit seires: :4wiifit:
Xenonblade seires: :4shulk:
Other nintendo seires: Ray MK III, Hero (fossil fighter), Jill, Chibi-robo, Tempo, Mallo, Isaac, Barbara, Kururin, Captain rainbow, Zael
Rythem heaven seires: Marshal, Karate joe
Advance wars seires: Andy, Sami
Ice climbers seires: :popo:
Other retro seires: Mach rider, Ayumi, Mike jones, Ballon fighter, Exitebiker, Tamagon, Star man, :kirby64:, Bubbles, Muddy mole, Lip
Game freak/SEGA seires: Pulseman
Nintendo power/Nester funky bowling seires: Nester
NAMCO seires: :4pacman:, Heihachi, Dig dug
CAPCOM seires: :4megaman:, :4ryu:, Sir arthur
SEGA seires: :4sonic:, Akira, Alex kidd
Konami seires: :snake:, Bomberman, Simon belmont, Goemon
Ubisoft seires: Rayman
Square enix seires: Black mage, Slime
Rareware seires: Banjo-kazooie, Rash, Conker
Other 3rd party seires: Crash bandicoot, Spyro, Earth worm jim
Mii seires: :4miibrawl:, :4miisword:, :4miigun:
Nintendo/Square enix seires: Mallow, Geno

Assist trophies and pokeball and stage hazards are not included because they are not possible to be DLC in smash 4 and they are deconfirmed until smash 5 maybe save them.
Conker? Banjo?...

Ok. I understand the Banjo's case... But Conker?

PD: I prefer Micaiah over BK xD
 

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My opinion on another FE character in SSB4:


Maybe SSB5 but this game has enough.
Agreed, I want to see Sakurai spread the love out better. I understand if FE fans want more characters, but not everybody is a FE fan. I want to see more characters appear from games I have actually played and enjoyed.

I guess I will be happy with Mallow then :rolleyes:
Out of curiosity would you be angry if Mallow got in but Geno didn't?
 
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