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[Cutie Gwen]

So i've been thinking about Wonder Red...how feasible would a moveset involving the entire Wonderful 101 be? Not like changing between them, but utilizing them in some way. Any ideas?

Considering there are quite a few characters who use moves that they themselves don't use or aren't even from their damn games, it's feasible. Wonder Punch B, Side B Unite Sword, Unit Whip as Fsmash or something, blablabla

 

[YoshiandToad]

So i've been thinking about Wonder Red...how feasible would a moveset involving the entire Wonderful 101 be? Not like changing between them, but utilizing them in some way. Any ideas?

Not very feasible if you mean ALL 101 as that's 101 character models and animations for one character. I have no idea of the programming technicalities but from an animation standpoint that's an absolute nightmare.

If however you meant the MAJOR 101 characters...well it's less of a headache at least, but I'm not sure how you could flow them correctly. For some reason I can see them being brought forth like the Wild Gunman in Duck Hunt's moveset, but that's probably quite uncreative on my part.

I mean he could be somewhat unique (but quite slow ala Mr. Game and Watch), but having THREE Marios before characters like Toad and Daisy just rubs me the wrong way.

I must admit this is my main reason I don't actively support Paper Mario, despite liking him and loving his series. Once we get the last few fan favourites of Toad, Daisy, Waluigi and maybe Nabbit in, I'm all for Papes.

 

[Deleted member]

NO.
NO.
NO.
One no per kid. NO. Forgot the conductor.

Let's talk about Paper Mario instead. It's been a while since he's been brought up. How would everyone feel if we got a third, but unique Mario?

Regarding Paper Mario, i think we all can agree that his Trailer should be based around this :

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Regarding Paper Mario, i think we all can agree that his Trailer should be based around this :

Lol the guy in the background making the weird sounds as music.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Considering there are quite a few characters who use moves that they themselves don't use or aren't even from their damn games, it's feasible. Wonder Punch B, Side B Unite Sword, Unit Whip as Fsmash or something, blablabla

Not very feasible if you mean ALL 101 as that's 101 character models and animations for one character. I have no idea of the programming technicalities but from an animation standpoint that's an absolute nightmare.

If however you meant the MAJOR 101 characters...well it's less of a headache at least, but I'm not sure how you could flow them correctly. For some reason I can see them being brought forth like the Wild Gunman in Duck Hunt's moveset, but that's probably quite uncreative on my part.



I must admit this is my main reason I don't actively support Paper Mario, despite liking him and loving his series. Once we get the last few fan favourites of Toad, Daisy, Waluigi and maybe Nabbit in, I'm all for Papes.

What I mean is more of what @ Cutie Gwen was getting at. MAYBE the major Wonderful Ones show up in the moveset...or better yet they act as Custom Moves.

OR BETTER YET...make a few separate Wonderful Ones as separate costumes like the Koopalings, and make the custom moves the separate colors. Or just make it Wonder Red, Wonder Blue and Wonder Green with different color costumes. Or don't do any of that, make Wonder Red have R,B,G,P,Y,W,B,O as his different colors, and give him Red, Blue and Green's attacks as Custom Moves.

As far as playing, I would say he'd be a risk/reward character. The bigger your fist/blade/gun, the slower you move, and vice versa.

At least those are my ideas.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

What I mean is more of what @ Cutie Gwen was getting at. MAYBE the major Wonderful Ones show up in the moveset...or better yet they act as Custom Moves.

OR BETTER YET...make a few separate Wonderful Ones as separate costumes like the Koopalings, and make the custom moves the separate colors. Or just make it Wonder Red, Wonder Blue and Wonder Green with different color costumes. Or don't do any of that, make Wonder Red have R,B,G,P,Y,W,B,O as his different colors, and give him Red, Blue and Green's attacks as Custom Moves.

As far as playing, I would say he'd be a risk/reward character. The bigger your fist/blade/gun, the slower you move, and vice versa.

At least those are my ideas.

No. Stop reading my mind Psycho Mantis

Blunder Red's a character I feel like could have been saved by Smash. Sadly, 102 may never happen after all...Excuse me, I need to weep

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Don't you think we should stop the Chrom debates for now?

Well....at least we are not talking about the Chrous Kids-----OH GOD I JUST HAD TO MENTION THEM WHY?

Yeah Alright,I'd like the Chorus Kids, they'd make a pretty cool Rhythm Fighter

 

[aldelaro5]

Regarding Paper Mario, i think we all can agree that his Trailer should be based around this :

Someone suggested int he thread that it should be the announcer voice....I just find it a bit overkill though

But for the trailer....I liked a bit better the TTYD JP pub

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah Alright,I'd like the Chorus Kids, they'd make a pretty cool Rhythm Fighter

I think we should stop talking about the Chrous Kids before someone starts an argument about them.

 

[Oasis Dealer]

NO.
NO.
NO.
One no per kid. NO. Forgot the conductor.

Let's talk about Paper Mario instead. It's been a while since he's been brought up. How would everyone feel if we got a third, but unique Mario?

Well, let's see. I love the paper Mario series. I use Dr.Mario and have no problem with him getting in. On top of that, he has amazing moveset potential ranging from all his games. I would absolutely love for Paper Mario to get in. I understand people not up to the idea, but I've been noticing more love for the guy as time go on. Once people see how he plays, then the judging can begin. Hopefully he was at least considered through the ballot.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

All I'll say in regards to Chrom at this point, is that my point wasn't about the actuality of what happened.

I am totally aware that Lucina was planned from the start as a costume. I already knew that. I am aware that Chrom was not the same case.

MY POINT WAS NEITHER. My point is...Sakurai makes a big point about character ability. So Chrom doesn't quite stack up. Lucina didn't exactly stack up either. One became a costume, one didn't. My point moreso is...why Lucina and not Chrom? As others have said, Chrom might be more similar to Marth. Fair point. Then why couldn't he just have the same moveset as Marth instead of Lucina? I don't even care that Lucina got in anyway (as I already said, I enjoy Lucina).

That's the point I'm making. Not the facts, mainly because I already know them (and didn't need to be reminded). I'm talking about the actual thought process. I mean I can agree that Chrom's build is more similar to Ike, so that would make him a bit weird to work with in comparison to Marth.

When I said I drew a comparison, it wasn't to what got both into the game in their different ways. It was their standing as a unique character. If Chrom didn't bring anything "new"...and Lucina hasn't really brought anything "new" then what's the difference?

I don't care what Sakurai said. When I look at it that way, to me, there's hardly a difference. Besides the build of Chrom's body as opposed to Marth. Based on other users though, I won't continue though. It's a dead horse anyway.
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So i've been thinking about Wonder Red...how feasible would a moveset involving the entire Wonderful 101 be? Not like changing between them, but utilizing them in some way. Any ideas?

Maybe Lucina made more sense as a costume for Marth than Chrom, seeing as she actually impersonates him in Awakening. Also, Sakurai implied that if Chrom were to be a clone of anyone it would be of Ike when Viridi said that Chrom was too similar to Ike, and would be a carbon copy of him. However Sakurai implied that Chrom wouldn't use an Aether recover move like Ike, therefore unable to be a costume for Chrom. Another thing is that Sakurai may have just really liked the idea of Chrom being a part of Robins Final Smash, and didn't want a costume to interfere with that, or maybe the Final Smash was worked on before character costumes were thought of.

 

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[Ura]

Y'know, with the amount of time since we last got new characters (E3), i'm starting to think were going to get another multi release for characters like we did with Lucas, Roy, and Ryu in mid-June.

Maybe they'll have a Direct at the start of September that will reveal one character and then shortly after the ballot ends they will reveal 2 characters and release them along with the character that was revealed in September in a very similar fashion to how Lucas, Roy, and Ryu were revealed and released. That would leave room for 1 or 2 characters to be released in December for the final character(s) to be DLC.

 

[aldelaro5]

Well, let's see. I love the paper Mario series. I use Dr.Mario and have no problem with him getting in. On top of that, he has amazing moveset potential ranging from all his games. I would absolutely love for Paper Mario to get in. I understand people not up to the idea, but I've been noticing more love for the guy as time go on. Once people see how he plays, then the judging can begin. Hopefully he was at least considered through the ballot.

Let's just say that paper jam really helped, but I still find him a bit underrated.

Sure, it;s a mario rep so Sakurai might be worried to overkill the repping, but considering what he would offer and getting quite a substantial amount of votes, I think he would get at least consideration.

On a side note, I had the idea to have one of his alts being an holographic one like in SS

 

[Kenith]

NO.
NO.
NO.
One no per kid. NO. Forgot the conductor.

Let's talk about Paper Mario instead. It's been a while since he's been brought up. How would everyone feel if we got a third, but unique Mario?

Paper Mario is the best.
I want him but only if he brings his partners as a mechanic.
My moveset for him has him swap partners with Neutral B, which gives him a different side special (Their "ability").
Then is down special is a superguard Counter from that partner, and it's effect changes depending on which one you have.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I think we should stop talking about the Chrous Kids before someone starts an argument about them.

Chorus Kids really are the best Rhythm Heaven representative
I most certainly recommend Chorus Kids to be the fighting representative of the Rhythm Heaven Franchise

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

To play it safe, I would only expect 2 more characters. Those are the only Mario slots we have left.

I mean if more are added in a future patch, then awesome! But until then I'd only expect 2 more.

 

[Mr Blokes]

Guys, Namco Bandai works on both Smash and DBZ. Goku redefined anime, which redefined fighting games...I mean every insane projectile special looks like a freakin Kame Hame Ha...

For that alone. Goku deserves the spot.

Dragonball SUPER YEEE!

 

[Troykv]

So much Chrom posts...

If Fire Emblem gets another character need to be something original (We already have a Semi-Clon and a filler)... Someone that doesn't use a sword.

We have some options, Azura would be cool with her lance, my personal option is Micaiah using light magic, staffs and be the first (probably the only viable) non-weapon user Fire Emblem Character (well, this looks a little bit obvious xD)

 

[JaidynReiman]

So much Chrom commentarys...

If Fire Emblem gets another character need to be something original (We already have a Semi-Clon and a filler)... Someone that doesn't use a sword.

We have some options, Azura would be cool with her lance, my personal option is Micaiah using light magic, staffs and be the first (probably the only viable) non-weapon user Fire Emblem Character (well, this looks a little bit obvious t xD)

I think there's a slim chance of getting an older character like Micaiah honestly... and she wasn't really all that popular. A lot of people hated her in Radiant Dawn. (I don't mind Micaiah personally.)


I like the idea of Azura if we have to go with an If character, but personally I'd prefer Anna. I think Anna would turn out a lot better. Yes, she uses a sword in Awakening, but Anna as a merchant in Awakening uses a lance. In Fates her class is Outlaw. Plus, Anna is actually many characters, and could use a variety of different weapons due to this nature of her. And as she is the mascot of the series I feel like she'd be a better character overall to represent the series in general.

 

[Troykv]

I think there's a slim chance of getting an older character like Micaiah honestly... and she wasn't really all that popular. A lot of people hated her in Radiant Dawn. (I don't mind Micaiah personally.)


I like the idea of Azura if we have to go with an If character, but personally I'd prefer Anna. I think Anna would turn out a lot better. Yes, she uses a sword in Awakening, but Anna as a merchant in Awakening uses a lance. In Fates her class is Outlaw. Plus, Anna is actually many characters, and could use a variety of different weapons due to this nature of her. And as she is the mascot of the series I feel like she'd be a better character overall to represent the series in general.

Well... her looks and abilities doesn't making her look like a "Another Marth" or "Another Ike" that is a plus. and I have some reasons to think that her chances could be underrated, but well, that will be for another day.

And about Anna... What exactly the "Outlaw" class does? xD

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Guys, Namco Bandai works on both Smash and DBZ. Goku redefined anime, which redefined fighting games...I mean every insane projectile special looks like a freakin Kame Hame Ha...

For that alone. Goku deserves the spot.

Dragonball SUPER YEEE!

Goku got ruled out though due to originating in a series that started out as manga.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Guys, Namco Bandai works on both Smash and DBZ. Goku redefined anime, which redefined fighting games...I mean every insane projectile special looks like a freakin Kame Hame Ha...

For that alone. Goku deserves the spot.

Dragonball SUPER YEEE!

Please tell me you are joking. We already had someone sating Optimus Prime had a chance. I can only take so much

 

[Deleted member]

Chorus Kids really are the best Rhythm Heaven representative
I most certainly recommend Chorus Kids to be the fighting representative of the Rhythm Heaven Franchise

Now what did i just said? Do you want to see flamerwars about Gematsu again or something?

 

[A Distant Demon]

Now did i just said? Do you want to see flamerwars about Gematsu again or something?

If people can't calmly talk about a character that is their own fault. No mod has banned Chorus Kids conversations anyway.

 

[JaidynReiman]

Well... her looks and abilities doesn't making her look like a "Another Marth" or "Another Ike" that is a plus. and I have some reasons to think that her chances could be underrated, but well, that will be for another day.

And about Anna... What exactly the "Outlaw" class does? xD

Outlaw is the Fates version of thief. They use Bows instead of Daggers/Swords, though.

 

[Kenith]

I am 99% positive @ Mr Blokes is being sarcastic.

And about Anna... What exactly the "Outlaw" class does? xD

The Outlaw class uses exclusively bows. So if you based Anna on that version it would mean she could be an archer character which has never been done.

Personally I'd prefer the "merchant Anna that uses every weapon ever" approach.

Chorus Kids really are the best Rhythm Heaven representative
I most certainly recommend Chorus Kids to be the fighting representative of the Rhythm Heaven Franchise

That is a really bizarre way to spell Karate Joe.

 

[JaidynReiman]

I am 99% positive @ Mr Blokes is being sarcastic.


The Outlaw class uses exclusively bows. So if you based Anna on that version it would mean she could be an archer character which has never been done.

Personally I'd prefer the "merchant Anna that uses every weapon ever" approach.


That is a really bizarre way to spell Karate Joe.

To be fair about the "uses every weapon" approach, she could probably skip magic, so it'd just be a combination of Bows, Swords, Axes, and Lances. I really like that idea. However, since Merchant Anna does use Lances by default, that could be her default option.


This is only a hypothetical for a new FE character in the future. Personally there's a lot of other franchises I'd rather get new characters for than FE at this point in time.

 

[Troykv]

Personally I'd prefer the "merchant Anna that uses every weapon ever" approach..

Something like a funny character with weird attacks? xD.

_____

Have a different look and style, have their own charisma, have some support (this doesn't need to be the best, only need to try to do some things to support the character and put good descriptions in the Ballot). This are the things that I believe that the possible (We don't know exactly that so likeable is this, but still possible) 5th Fire Emblem will need to be considered.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

Guys, Namco Bandai works on both Smash and DBZ. Goku redefined anime, which redefined fighting games...I mean every insane projectile special looks like a freakin Kame Hame Ha...

For that alone. Goku deserves the spot.

Dragonball SUPER YEEE!

This is a joke right? Sure, Goku redefined anime (made anime very popular in the west with DBZ. Its funny since the original story DB is based off is called Journey to the West), but anime didn't redefine fighting games. They basically took the Tekken style of fighting games and put their own spin on it.

NOW GOKU FROM YUYUKI ON THE OTHER HAND, deserves to be in Smash.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

Now did i just said? Do you want to see flamerwars about Gematsu again or something?

Let them Burn....
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Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

 

[Kenith]

NOW GOKU FROM YUYUKI ON THE OTHER HAND, deserves to be in Smash.

That's very debatable.

 

[Deleted member]

The only reason people talk about Goku from Yuyuki is because of his name. That's literally the only reason.

It's basically like the Roy and Roy Koopa jokes.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Gematsu discussions be like this.

We need more bears in Smash and those Mii Fighter outfits aren't going to cut it.

 

[Morbi]

The only reason people talk about Goku from Yuyuki is because of his name. That's literally the only reason.

It's basically like the Roy and Roy Koopa jokes.

I do not believe that, I am certain that that is how it started; however, after awhile of being exposed to the joke, I do not doubt that some people legitimately want him in the game.

 

[POKEMANSPIKA]

That's very debatable.

Lol, I should rephrase. He deserves it more than Goku from DBZ considering Smash is about Nintendo's history and Goku (Yuyuki) is in that history (can represent Famicom Disk System) while Goku (DBZ) is a character from manga who hasn't really done anything for Nintendo. And you know, is a manga character.

 

[Sid-cada]

The only reason people talk about Goku from Yuyuki is because of his name. That's literally the only reason.

It's basically like the Roy and Roy Koopa jokes.

This. Honestly, I'd much rather have Donbe and/or Hikari as a representative of the Famicom Fairy Tales.

We might as well go with the original protagonists, as well as the only one to get a sequel... in a three game series. They're referenced more, music in Brawl reused in For , heck already were a trophy in Melee, yet are brushed aside for some sort of name "coincidence?"

Honestly, I'd much rather take them over Goku. Is it really that hard to do research on characters?

 

[Champ Gold]

Let them Burn....
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Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

Chorus Kids are a mistake. They are nothing but trash.
Except when they are jokes surrounding them

 

[Fatmanonice]

*desperately tries to think of something to talk about by grasping at the thinnest of straws* So... lot of characters are turning up in Super Mario Maker. Think it could mean big things for some of them in the future?

 

[Ura]

To play it safe, I would only expect 2 more characters. Those are the only Mario slots we have left.

I mean if more are added in a future patch, then awesome! But until then I'd only expect 2 more.

I honestly doubt were only getting 2 more characters. There's a fighter pack that has the 4 DLC characters currently in the game so it only makes sense that their would be at least another 4 characters released for another fighter pack especially considering that the bundle is labelled "Fighter Pack #1" as opposed to just "Fighter Pack" meaning were in for at least another 4 characters.

I personally believe that we will receive 3 characters from the Ballot and Wolf whom I personally believe is being saved for around the release of Star Fox Zero (Lucas was near completion at his reveal and was only released 2 and a half months later showing that Nintendo will hold off releasing characters if that's what they want to do).