Official DLC Character Discussion Thread - Read the new sticky/announcement

[Cutie Gwen]

And sadly, People have fallen for in on the Video comments.

Everyone who fell for it should be ashamed of themselves for thinking some guy had the results to a ballot that hasn't ended yet

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

At this point CinemaSins Jeremy'll be the most requested character

CinemaSins: "We now interupt this Smash forum with a scene from CinemaSins and this individual would do good with it." *ding*

Sin Counter: 3

 

[Alph Aran]

We need more Blue-Haired Swordsmen.

With already in, that makes blue-haired Link the 5th.

Takamaru... because we totally need more blue haired swordsman.

I request the most skilled of prosecutors to get you sentenced to playing a For Fun match on 75m.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

With already in, that makes blue-haired Link the 5th.

I request the most skilled of prosecutors to get you sentenced to playing a For Fun match on 75m.

muh Eirika cuz blue hair

 

[RoseyBetch]

I would prefer Excitebiker as a retro character for the next Smash over Takamaru, if one is included at all. I would like them both a lot, but if it comes down to one, I think Excitebiker represents a bigger game with a lot more popularity. If Takamaru is also included, I'll be thrilled though.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I think we should have three more blue-haired swordsmen!

Also, every non-blue-haired swordsman should have their hair colour changed!

Spoiler

 

[DoctorSaki]

To me, besides probably Pit, each retro character in Smash were chosen to represent a particular era or line of hardware.

Mr. G&W reps the Game & Watch line, R.O.B reps the peripheral of the same name, Duck Hunt represents the NES Zapper and its associated "Light Gun Series", and the Ice Climbers repped the one-off "Action Series" games (Balloon Fight, Urban Champion) that were released from 1984-1985.

As for Pit, I feel like his inclusion had more to do with Kid Icarus's cult following rather than "well i gotta arbitrarily add a retro character each game ahaha". Like Wario or Dedede, Pit was a popular and requested choice, more so than other retro characters like Takamaru.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2006/05/31/sakurais-smash-bros-update

Hey Brandon, how about stop hating us and GET ON SKYPE ALREADY!!

 

[Troykv]

I've already posted my top 10 elsewhere, but the 5 I feel are most likely are as follows:

5: Rayman
4: Bandana Waddle Dee
3: Isaac
2: King K. Rool
1: Wolf

Of course I WANT BWD the most.

I only see REALLY likeable some few characters, two of them are Wolf and K. Rool.

 

[TallT]

We need more Blue-Haired Swordsmen.

I just remembered we have another Blue-Haired Swordsmen already in the roster.

Spoiler

 

[Wintropy]

I just remembered we have another Blue-Haired Swordsmen already in the roster.

Spoiler

I want to smack you for this, yet somehow I am filled with the insatiable urge to throw my arms around you and cry deeply on your shoulder.

I'm now imagining Sonic with Ike's playstyle.

 

[DJ3DS]

I want to smack you for this, yet somehow I am filled with the insatiable urge to throw my arms around you and cry deeply on your shoulder.

I'm now imagining Sonic with Ike's playstyle.

How about Ike with Sonics speed and frame data?

And still loses to Sheik

 

[BluePikmin11]

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Go vote!

 

[Kenith]

How about Ike with Sonics speed and frame data?

And still loses to Sheik

If Lucina doesn't get cut hopefully she'll basically be a really fast Ike.

 

[Autumn ♫]

With already in, that makes blue-haired Link the 5th.

Alph's a swordsman?

 

[RoseyBetch]

Does anyone think the clone characters will be cut in Smash 5? I actually think Dark Pit and Lucina will be further differentiated from Pit and Marth to where they are more like semi-clones. I also think that some characters will be included this way. Daisy can be a semi-clone to Peach and use some different items, Dark Samus to Samus with some plasma effects, Alph can be upgraded and use Rock Pikmin, Dixie Kong can be similar to Diddy, and Impa could be a taller Sheik with some different properties.

 

[Aetheri]

Does anyone think the clone characters will be cut in Smash 5? I actually think Dark Pit and Lucina will be further differentiated from Pit and Marth to where they are more like semi-clones. I also think that some characters will be included this way. Daisy can be a semi-clone to Peach and use some different items, Dark Samus to Samus with some plasma effects, Alph can be upgraded and use Rock Pikmin, Dixie Kong can be similar to Diddy, and Impa could be a taller Sheik with some different properties.

It really depends, Dr. Mario didn't change as much due to time limitations, and the same could happen for Smash 5's pre-release development period, unless they would be saved for DLC, which contradicts the reason Sakurai was against DLC initially...at best they'd get upgraded movesets at worst relegated to alts or cut entirely...
it is a way to add more characters but it isn't a good way to do it...Sakurai is fully aware of how much the fans dislike true-clones...

 

[Deleted member]

I agree completely. However, there is precedent for an "old-school Nintendo" newcomer in every Smash game (barring the original) so it's easy to speculate a similar character for the next game.

None of which being to fill some "old-school" quota with the sole exception of the Ice Climbers.
That's what I'm getting at.

The likes of Takamaru, Balloon Fighter, and Excitebiker are not in competition with each other for their potential addition any more than they were with Mr. Game & Watch, Pit, R.O.B., or Duck Hunt when they were being included (though they were in competition with the Ice Climbers). They will be equally judged based on their own merits, not what one has over the other.

Not to mention being a retro Nintendo character is a huge merit in and of itself, as the NES is what made Nintendo so huge in the first place. The Punch-Out!! series wouldn't have been nearly as known without the Mike Tyson's Punch Out!! and the arcade original.

Being "retro" isn't much of a merit to Smash, otherwise the roster would be flooded with characters that fit the description while fitting all other criteria.
Even going by your Punch-Out example, it wasn't the arcade original or the NES/Famicom game that influenced Sakurai to consider Little Mac; it was the more recent Wii game that came out after Brawl.

 

[Zzuxon]

Excitebiker and Balloon Fighter would be far better choices than Takamaru.
They have merits for their inclusion other than being "retro", namely a 5 game series and a big legacy with frequent references respectively.

 

[Deleted member]

Whether or not a character is more "deserving" =/= whether or not the character holds more "merit" as a fighter in Smash.


Thinking back at it, I realize that the two kind of sound the same.
What I'm referring to as holding more "merit" is fitting the criteria for non-last minute clone newcomers more.

 

[Alph Aran]

Alph's a swordsman?

Also if you count disjoints of his Pikmin aerials. His f-air looks similar to Lucina's.

Excitebiker and Balloon Fighter would be far better choices than Takamaru.
They have merits for their inclusion other than being "retro", namely a 5 game series and a big legacy with frequent references respectively.

Forgive me if I have misread your statements, but this is what they're looking like to me:

"Excitebiker and Balloon Fighter would be better DLC choices of retro character to have than Takamaru because their games have more impacts."

Merits alone should not determine whether said characters would be more popular than the other as DLC that people like. It just doesn't work if it's the only argument to present. What about the more important factors like how the characters would play and how people would view them?

 

[ZeldaMaster]

I would honestly rather have Balloon Fighter than Takamaru. For Iwata.

 

[Nintendotard]

I would honestly rather have Balloon Fighter than Takamaru. For Iwata.

this. plus, translating assist trophies into characters in the same game feels odd. Takamaru will be given the Mac promotion next game, if any.

If Smash is so curious about sword movements and how to make them interesting, kindly look at Soul Calibur

 

[Calane]

Excitebiker and Balloon Fighter would be far better choices than Takamaru.
They have merits for their inclusion other than being "retro", namely a 5 game series and a big legacy with frequent references respectively.

I disagree. I feel that Takamaru works better as a fighter in Smash and has much more to work with than either of those characters. Sure, you can come up with moves for anyone, but with those two, a lot of them would have to be made up (or be attacks they don't actually do in their own game). Takamaru already has plenty of weapons and attacks to work with, plus, he's just cooler than both of them (in my opinion, anyway).

 

[Kenith]

Takamaru AND Excitebike are both pretty likely for the next Smash imo.
Excitebike fills the exact same niche as Duck Hunt, Mr. Game & Watch, and ROB.
Whereas Takamaru's inclusion will probably be based on requests.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

I wonder which characters will be the most requested ones for next game, if the current ones Wolf and K. Rool get in as DLC? The safest bets are probably Ice Climbers and Inkling.

 

[DJ3DS]

I would honestly rather have Balloon Fighter than Takamaru. For Iwata.

"For Iwata" and "muh retro" feel pretty much like the only two reasons for Balloon Fighter I ever hear.

The former is a terrible reason. I'm all for commemorating Iwata but adding a character whose main gimmick is for all intents and purposes taken by Villager just for his memory is a terrible idea. Do a trophy of Iwata's Mii, dedicate the next Direct to him, do something, sure. But don't do this. As for "retro", I personally agree that Takamaru is the best choice, though I don't care much for any of the three being discussed.

Personal Pet Peeve: I think "For Iwata" reasoning is in reality simply obnoxious. It feels like an attempt to cash in on his passing and the fact people feel the need to use it to bulk up the list of reasons for including a character just highlights how few reasons they actually have. This is mainly towards Balloon Fighter but there are a couple of others. Someone did mention it in the KKR thread with regards to Iwata loving DKC and having the soundtrack on his iPod but this was thankfully shut down very quickly.

 

[Kenith]

"For Iwata" and "muh retro" feel pretty much like the only two reasons for Balloon Fighter I ever hear.

The former is a terrible reason. I'm all for commemorating Iwata but adding a character whose main gimmick is for all intents and purposes taken by Villager just for his memory is a terrible idea. Do a trophy of Iwata's Mii, dedicate the next Direct to him, do something, sure. But don't do this. As for "retro", I personally agree that Takamaru is the best choice, though I don't care much for any of the three being discussed.

Personal Pet Peeve: I think "For Iwata" reasoning is in reality simply obnoxious. It feels like an attempt to cash in on his passing and the fact people feel the need to use it to bulk up the list of reasons for including a character just highlights how few reasons they actually have. This is mainly towards Balloon Fighter but there are a couple of others. Someone did mention it in the KKR thread with regards to Iwata loving DKC and having the soundtrack on his iPod but this was thankfully shut down very quickly.

I agree with this completely .
If we truly wanted to honour Iwata, instead of asking for a character in his memory, we should instead take the time to appreciate all of the Fighters that never would have made it in Smash Bros., or possibly never even existed, without Iwata.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

I am a big fan Excitebike x Mach Rider idea where we basically but take what they individually have and put it together as one fighter like Duck Hunt and all the Zapper Games

Mach Rider has all the action, you can do the explode-y thing, drop oil cans, some sort of laser gun and or knife and what not

But Excitebike has all the flash and the tricks that can make all of the aerials and basic attacks

Mixing these two together for a single fighter seems like a great idea

 

[Kenith]

It's a no-brainer idea to incorporate ideas of Mach Rider and Excitebike together. The problem is choosing which one to actually be the character.
I chose Excitebike over Mach Rider because

- Excitebike is actually a series, one of the most prominent series not represented with a character yet I might add
- The idea of a character fighting with motorcross tricks more naturally to me to a character simply riding a motorbike, rather than Mach Rider's bulky gun-cycle.
- Excitebike can also pull from Excitebots and Excite Truck in their moveset.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

It's a no-brainer idea to incorporate ideas of Mach Rider and Excitebike together. The problem is choosing which one to actually be the character.
I chose Excitebike over Mach Rider because

- Excitebike is actually a series, one of the most prominent series not represented with a character yet I might add
- The idea of a character fighting with motorcross tricks more naturally to me to a character simply riding a motorbike, rather than Mach Rider's bulky gun-cycle.
- Excitebike can also pull from Excitebots and Excite Truck in their moveset.

What about a combination of them? It could be called Excitemach Bikerider.

 

[Kenith]

What about a combination of them? It could be called Excitemach Bikerider.

ExciteMachTruckBot for Smash 5. :D

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's a no-brainer idea to incorporate ideas of Mach Rider and Excitebike together. The problem is choosing which one to actually be the character.
I chose Excitebike over Mach Rider because

- Excitebike is actually a series, one of the most prominent series not represented with a character yet I might add
- The idea of a character fighting with motorcross tricks more naturally to me to a character simply riding a motorbike, rather than Mach Rider's bulky gun-cycle.
- Excitebike can also pull from Excitebots and Excite Truck in their moveset.

Mach Rider is a Kamen Rider, so I prefer him,. However, there is absolutely no dening that Exciebiker is more iconic

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

What about a combination of them? It could be called Excitemach Bikerider.

10/10 shoo-in material here.

Though the idea of combining two different ideas that aren't connected to each other (unlike the Light Gun games for Duck Hunt) seems strange. Though Sakurai had done crazier things before.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

10/10 shoo-in material here.

Though the idea of combining two different ideas that aren't connected to each other (unlike the Light Gun games for Duck Hunt) seems strange. Though Sakurai had done crazier things before.

The combination thing was a joke (I mean the idea of combining the characters together, not the moveset combination idea). If they had choose one of them to represent both, they'd probably go with Excitebiker, as he's more iconic, although I prefer Mach Rider personally.

Spoiler

Though I'd love to see Mach Rider and Excitebiker on a tandem bike.

 

[Arcadenik]

I think it would be nice to have Alice from Balloon Kid get in Smash to represent the Balloon Fight series. She could have costumes based on Balloon Fighters and Balloon Fight Enemies. I always wanted a Pencilvania stage and it would be the second Balloon Fight stage.

 

[Bowserlick]

Now that I feel that I am going to get another Super Heavyweight in K. Rool, I think I would like to see Dixie as well.

Toad and Waluigi would also excite me.

With third party, I think Cloud (which I highly doubt, a Moogle, and Scorpion from MK would also do it for me.

 

[DustyPumpkin]

It's a no-brainer idea to incorporate ideas of Mach Rider and Excitebike together. The problem is choosing which one to actually be the character.
I chose Excitebike over Mach Rider because

- Excitebike is actually a series, one of the most prominent series not represented with a character yet I might add
- The idea of a character fighting with motorcross tricks more naturally to me to a character simply riding a motorbike, rather than Mach Rider's bulky gun-cycle.
- Excitebike can also pull from Excitebots and Excite Truck in their moveset.

Well, that's not the real question, you could easily give one an alt of the other.
The REAL question would be who's the FACE ala /

 

[RoseyBetch]

Well, that's not the real question, you could easily give one an alt of the other.
The REAL question would be who's the FACE ala /

Excite biker would be the face. It's more iconic and recognizable imo.

 

[Kenith]

Excite biker would be the face. It's more iconic and recognizable imo.

Doesn't need to be sheltered by "imo". It's objective fact Excitebike is more known than Mach Rider.
Without the references in Melee Mach Rider would be in the same spot as characters like Muddy Mole.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I've been thinking. should we ger a character from Square Enix, who should it be? My personal favourite choices are Kefka, Black Mage, Terra and Cecil in no order. Then again, I'm an SE scrub