Dinsey- The New Generation, Good or Bad??

[woody72691]

disney has moved into the field of entertaining the kids of today with Miley cyrus and the Jonas brothers. in my opinion this has caused alot of people to lose their respect for disney because of how bad both Miley Cyrus and Jonas Bros are.

Disney sold out just to feed their greeding pockets. these two have ruined Disney and are making a mockery of it. this is my true opinion on it, every time i see Miley Cyrus i want to throw up my heart, i have met one of the jonas bros he was cool but a terrible musician. everyone might think that so many people love miley cyrus that she'll never go away, well take a look at Brittney spears, everyone loved her and now she has turned into a wreak, same thing with Jonas bros, there like NSYNC they'll be around but break up and go solo maybe.

is this generation good for the money making disney so they can produce more shows just as bad as Hannah Montna and Raven? or is it just plan bad because Disney has lost their way of making shows that are hits. why is it that Disney had to search for these people and think that they have talent when singing the same song like another person or groups make u a wonderful musician.

this is to debate whatever this was a good motive or not and not about business choices.

discuss

 

[KrazyGlue]

Disney is a business. Of course they want to make money. Personally, I don't like either of those groups, but Disney hasn't done anything wrong. It's not up to us to decide what shows Disney makes, which artists they promote, or how much money they make.

 

[woody72691]

well the thing is that they have lost their of reaching out to us older kids who have been fans of them since we were little, why would they now shove bad stuff down our throats for more money and for kids who dont know the truth behind some musicians

 

[Faithkeeper]

Echoing KrazyGlue, Disney is a private business in a capitalistic nation. (or several capitalistic nations...) The truth is, they have the right to sell whatever they deem fit, good or bad. Businesses make money, that's what they do, if they can do that by using untalented musicians (I'm not saying they are), power to them.

As far as these artists being "good or bad", obviously somebody thinks they are good. An individual's opinions (say, yours or mine) are nearly entirely irrelevant when compared with the masses. Since Disney has effectively marketed this "product" there is obviously demand for it. Your or my opinion of the product is not important. Why? Because through purchasing these "products", consumers have obviously told Disney that they think these products are "good" or Disney would no longer try to market them. So therefore, I say: At least good enough.

 

[woody72691]

theres always backlash my friend. u better make sure your doing the right thing or somthing bad will happen, say for example i choose vanellia ice to repersent my company, since he was a one hit wonder, my company will not go far and i will luck out. the same thing could happen to Disney and in opinion i hope it does, i dont want Disney out of busniess just Miley cyrus out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[GwJ]

Like it was said, this is indeed a business. However I disagree with what Disney is doing. When I was younger, I would turn on Disney to get some Roley Poley Oley or that bear's clubhouse show (Sorry, it's been a LONG time since then). Now, my 18 year old sister watches disney. The shows are appealing more to older teens than they are to the younger kids, who were to target audience back in the "good old days". But then again, the younger kids are playing Halo, watching UFC, and drinking soda like is was juicy juice. Kids are growing up faster than we want them to. Disney is keeping up with the times. We should be keeping our kids as "kids" for a longer time than we are now and things like Disney and video games aren't helping, but that's just it: It can't be helped. If Disney went back to focusing on kids, they would have to be crazy. They would be missing out on a larger profit from the older audience.

If I seem to change opinions during my post, don't think I'm wishy-washy; I just started writing and let my thoughts come out (That's how I best write.).

 

[Faithkeeper]

theres always backlash my friend. u better make sure your doing the right thing or somthing bad will happen

What?
Are you speaking economically?

If so, then that's obvious and hardly related.
If not, please go into detail, I have no idea what you are talking about.

Like it was said, this is indeed a business. However I disagree with what Disney is doing. When I was younger, I would turn on Disney to get some Roley Poley Oley or that bear's clubhouse show (Sorry, it's been a LONG time since then). Now, my 18 year old sister watches disney. The shows are appealing more to older teens than they are to the younger kids, who were to target audience back in the "good old days". But then again, the younger kids are playing Halo, watching UFC, and drinking soda like is was juicy juice. Kids are growing up faster than we want them to. Disney is keeping up with the times. We should be keeping our kids as "kids" for a longer time than we are now and things like Disney and video games aren't helping, but that's just it: It can't be helped. If Disney went back to focusing on kids, they would have to be crazy. They would be missing out on a larger profit from the older audience.

So what you are saying is: "Disney is fine, but I don't like how kids are growing up too fast."? (I'm trying for some clarification) If so, it was a tad off topic, but I agree with the Disney part of my summary. As far as the kids growing up too fast, I think that's too much of a tangent for me to address.

 

[GwJ]

Not exactly Faith, I'm making the point that Disney really isn't being a good or bad company, it's just following with the times.

 

[Faithkeeper]

[your edit after my post]
say for example i choose vanellia ice to repersent my company, since he was a one hit wonder, my company will not go far and i will luck out. the same thing could happen to Disney and in opinion i hope it does,

Both the Jonas brothers and Miley Cyrus seem to have relative continuous fame, so I really don't see the point in your analogy. If they lose this fame they can change shows. This is inherent and unrelated information IMO.

i dont want Disney out of busniess just Miley cyrus out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Personal opinion is worthless in debate without reason behind it. Please explain why, because I fail to see Disney's problem with this individual. If it is just you that doesn't like this artist, make the topic whether or not this artist is "good or bad" not whether it was good or bad for Disney. Because Disney continues to use these artists, it is obviously good enough for them.

Not exactly Faith, I'm making the point that Disney really isn't being a good or bad company, it's just following with the times.

Thanks for the clarification, I (obviously) wouldn't have drawn that from your post [except in retrospect, which hardly counts], sorry.

 

[Sukai]

The better center of discussion should be the influence it has on kids these days, assuming they are in tune to disney.

 

[Palpi]

@ woody. I think you fail to realize every big company is just out to get money. If they make more money "sponsoring" the jonas brother and miley cyrus so be it. Beleive me, I don't like them but who's to tell them how to make more money. Also, if you havn't noticed Disney is cutting down as SOOOO much expenses it is crazy.

 

[woody72691]

@ woody. I think you fail to realize every big company is just out to get money. If they make more money "sponsoring" the jonas brother and miley cyrus so be it. Beleive me, I don't like them but who's to tell them how to make more money. Also, if you havn't noticed Disney is cutting down as SOOOO much expenses it is crazy.

who in the blue blazes are u? are u insulting me?? what makes u think i didnt know this?? just because i didnt put it down doesnt make me not know it. besides our ecnomy is failing as it is and Disney sooner or later is going to have to cut people.

 

[Eor]

Well the Disney channel is meant for kids around 6-16 (at the latest), so their marketing move is fine. I've never heard the Jonas Brothers, nor do I really care how they sound. Disney won't go out of buisness because of some musician they sponsor, no large company can be brought down that easily.

 

[woody72691]

yeah thats what they said about GM, Ford and Crystler, look at them now.

 

[Eor]

yeah thats what they said about GM, Ford and Crystler, look at them now.

What? No one said that. They didn't collapse because they sponsored the wrong musician, they only got into financial trouble for a whole multitude of reasons, such as foreign car markets, foreign cars being built in US factories, canceling a lot of their lineup to make more SUVs which don't give back money unless people buy options, the rising gas prices, union costs, and a whole multitude of issues. This has been happening since the 90s.

 

[woody72691]

What? No one said that. They didn't collapse because they sponsored the wrong musician, they only got into financial trouble for a whole multitude of reasons, such as foreign car markets, foreign cars being built in US factories, canceling a lot of their lineup to make more SUVs which don't give back money unless people buy options, the rising gas prices, union costs, and a whole multitude of issues. This has been happening since the 90s.

where u around when they where at their hype?? my father was, and he told me that when reporting their sales the nation thought not could take down the big 3, then this ecnomy started to ruin things. BUY AMERICAN please. and Disney stop messing around. i'm going to disney world for spring break nad i dont want no HSM crap

 

[Eor]

where u around when they where at their hype?? my father was, and he told me that when reporting their sales the nation thought not could take down the big 3, then this ecnomy started to ruin things. BUY AMERICAN please. and Disney stop messing around. i'm going to disney world for spring break nad i dont want no HSM crap

Their sales peaked in 1999, but the buisness models they had then was what caused them to collapse ten years later. Ten years is a long time

And if you really wanted to know, I was in fourth grade

 

[|RK|]

As a male teenager, I disagree with Disney (minus Suite Life on Deck, but I repeat, I'm a teenager) while my female friends love Disney (I swear that teenage girls are the second most easy audience, after children). So the new Disney generation is bad. If you don't believe me, watch their shows. The amount of things that they touch on, the subjects... and it all seemed to me like no teenager acted like that. Then I moved. Ouch.

But seriously, you cannot judge a company by their audience or shows without bias. As said earlier, Disney is a business. They want to make money and are succeeding. While I find that abandoning the core behind Disney is wrong and a mockery to Walt Disney, teens are the easiest audience, and they're making money. Why stop them? Oh, wait, Miley Cyrus. If you've ever seen a more egotistical teenager... She got mad when Radiohead denied her backstage access to meet them. She attempted to use her fame as a pass. She then became angry saying "Stinkin' Radiohead!" "I'm gonna ruin them, I'm gonna tell everyone!" Wait, what? You're going to ruin someone by telling people? Does anyone else see anything wrong with this? Disney supports her, through all the scandals and everything else that's happened. So they're abandoning any and all morals in order to make money? Wow.

So, does this make the new generation of Disney bad? Probably, yeah. Then there are so many teenagers who copy this attitude from their idols. It gives the rest of teens a bad name, and I resent that. Alas.

With bias added, I would hope that Miley Cyrus ends up losing her gig, but chances of that? Hah.
Subject lol: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOgj2etJs3Y

 

[woody72691]

thank u my god peopleare like dependent on her

 

[Rush4216]

this guy is 200% correct. Disney sold out to teenage girls and now losing respect

 

[KrazyGlue]

this guy is 200% correct. Disney sold out to teenage girls and now losing respect

What about the fact that Disney is a private business and can do whatever they want?

Do I like these new bands? No. But I haven't lost respect for disney and I don't think it's morally incorrect or anything because they're just trying to get money.

 

[Rush4216]

huh?? what we both cant like the same show (lost) and who the heck is woody?? and whats wrong with falcon??? COMEON disney made a bad choice on picking this girl.

 

[|RK|]

No, while they made an immoral choice in picking an immoral person, they didn't make a bad choice. They're making quite a bit of cash on Ms. Cyrus.

 

[KrazyGlue]

No, while they made an immoral choice in picking an immoral person, they didn't make a bad choice. They're making quite a bit of cash on Ms. Cyrus.

Agreed.

It's a business, rush. You can't expect them to turn down money just to get the respect of an older (and more male) audience.

 

[M.K]

Billy Ray Cyrus used the gimmicky TV Show "Hannah Montana" soley to launch his own daughter's career. It was obvious that the show was only the first step.
She annoys me, I agree 110% with Jamie Foxx when he said she should get a gum transplant. I hate what Disney has become, but they are a business, and she makes them money.
I still wish she would be hit by a train, though.