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They can ban garchomp yet bring back a clearly uber poke to OU. Even with soul dew, lati@s is still way too powerful to consider bringing it down a tier (and they also have acces to quite a few options moveset wise). I can't even imagine what is next on smogon's "To do list." Hopefully Skymin ban...
Next up is a re-test of Skymin followed by a test of the evasion clause I believe.
You thoughts just mindgamed me. Do you have a dumbed down version?
I think they're the same. Why is one better than the other?
I was considering the Soul Dew boost, which made Latios's sweeping ability outrageously high.
Forcing them to not use an item is a little rediculous. They should either be OU or Uber, regardless of the item they are holding. ditto goes for pikachu and light ball, its tier should not be determined by the item it holds.
Items were put in Smash for a reason.
the latis are uber though. before the dew, they have stats that are superior to most OU pokes, along with a movepool that is only rivaled by the Ubers, and typing that is stellar. They are more competitive with Ubers than they are with OU- therefore they belong with the Uber tier.
Items in Smash? many people play with them. Ubers in pokemon, many people play with them. (to the point that ubers are acceptable in about 1/5 tournaments. INSANITY!)
Same could be said for Shedinja, but it's still clearly ********. Their typing is mediocre (psychic has a near worthless STAB and is terrible defensively, dragon is good overall but ice weakness sucks). Their base stats and movepool rival Dragonite or maybe Gengar more than anything. They can also serve as a means to deal with the plague known as ScizorTran. I would sooner see bullet punch banned on scizor or legalized garchomp before allowing the latis into standard play, but it could prove to be fun regardless.
How is Latias and Lugia better than Blissey? Please say you just forgot about that fat *****.
We're talking about standard competitive play here. I play with items all the time... With my friends. But when I'm in a competitive setting, I don't like a Bob-omb to appear while I'm releasing an attack.
Exactly.
Blissey has an Achilles's heel, Lugia does not.
Unless the opponent has a team made of ONLY Special Sweepers, she does.
Oh, I see. I'm sorry, I just feel like getting in arguements today.
- check it out, if your really interested in this debate. http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49512
You seem like the person that thinks Metaknight should be banned >.>
Quite the opposite, actually. You seem like the kind of person that judges without reason.
Good thing I'm not. Maybe we should change the title to Did you know? Latias is OU, and Latios could follow
There's so much wrong information in this rant it's ridiculous. First things first, yes, you can list out what the "Max possible" for each stat is and make it seem high, Latias can only have max in 2 stats your just being an alarmist. SALAMENCE CAN HAVE 405 ATTACK, 350 SPECIAL ATTACK, 284 IN BOTH DEFENSES, 394 HP AND 328 SPEED AND HAS INTIMIDATE TO MAKE PHYSICAL ATTACKS NOT WORK AND CAN LEARN DRACO METEOR, OUTRAGE, EARTHQUAKE, FIRE BLAST, TOXIC, ROOST, BRICK BREAK, AQUA TAIL, HYDRO PUMP AND DRAGON DANCE! See how scary that is? And yet somehow, Salamence doesn't manage to break OU. As for the set ideas you posted:c) as this thread is about Latias in OU, that is what i will argue right now. again-
Latias makes one of the top all around walls in the game as well, relatively easily achieving +300 in both defenses, 300 speed stat, and both attack and special attack over 250. Hp can also easily reach 350. (and these stats are just assuming a neutral nature!) For arguements sake, we will assume no Soul Dew as a held item. Leftovers are fine- Dragon Pulse, Thunderbolt, Calm Mind and Recover. Bold for the +Def, -Atk. Latias has just as many resistances as it does neutral damage(6 of each). Its an obvious advantage to have a pokemon who resists more types than they take super effective damage from, as Latias does. After getting off 2 calm minds, this "wall" can effectively sweep most OU teams. And this is meant as a mixed set- Latias can learn wish, safeguard, refresh, healing wish( possible team support), recover is given, roar, toxic, light screen, protect, reflect, rest(+sleep talk), roost, twave, Sub, and soo much more to increase its effectiveness as a wall. And its attacking movepool is just as impressive, as it can learn a move that will hit for super effectively on any type. This pokemon is one of the few that is utterly unpredictable, as Latias can pull off a staller, physical wall, special wall, physical sweeper, or special sweeper or an annoyer.
Latias is one of the few pokemon in the game that is completely unpredictable, and because of this, it is simply too strong for the Overused Tier. It takes a pokemon of absurd quality(the Ubers) to be able to deal with the unpredictability of such a strong pokemon.
Honestly, do yall remember speed deoxys? he was dropped to OU for a while, and every team was running one. It over-centralizes the game, it would be a race to set up your Latias and then just sweep.
more than any evidence i can present would be the evidence presented by the ones considering making Latias OU
Obviously you dont know numbers very well- The only thing needed for the numbers I posted on that Latias was a +def nature.... good call though.
Latias isn't as powerful as you make it to be, either. It banned soul dew in case you forgot, meaning the boosts that it obtained with it are gone. It is left with average stats and a movepool where you have lots to play around with, but nowhere near enough moves to make a full set. I've played around with sets with latias and it has millions of sets that it just has to learn but can't. Every set needs to know Recover and dragon pulse, so that already removes two moves. That leaves two moves in order to either gain sweeping capabilities or allow you to defend, which when you consider what you need for both it's hard to cram that into 2 moves.
This is exactly the kind of mentality the Smogon tiering process has been spending months trying to eliminate, the "guilty-until-proven-innocent" approach to tiering. There was a completely public one month test where Latias showed itself to be completely manageable. So it's a little uncalled for to say "oh it's obviously ridiculous".
Pretty much anything with some kind of bulk, from Starmie upwards, can take great advantage of Recover on more defense oriented sets.
If we get around to it we're going to test the item for a short time "just in case" it's not broken even with it though that's so hard to believe it might be scrapped for a more "worthy" Suspect.
