Did you hear? Latias is OU, and the testing for Latios in OU will begin soon.

[Chris is me]

Latios is being tested without Latias (huh?) on the Suspect ladder within the next few days, and if it's voted OU both will be allowed with no restriction. I don't see the point in not allowing Latias on the test ladder but then if it gets unbanned allowing it in standard, but "whatever".

Latios is probably not broken just like Latias, but it has a lot more going for it offensively. We'll have to see. I'm personally going to try out Dragon Dance / Outrage / Earthquake / Draco Meteor. Like MixMence, but better! (and it doesn't die in one hit)

 

[NJzFinest]

After that they're retesting Skyman, rittteee?

*Takes note that his team should have more Ice Beam in the future*

 

[Chris is me]

Nope, they decided to go back on their word and wait until "stage 3" (when everything is tested at the same time).

Every time the test screws up the response is "stage 3 lol", so it better be soon...

 

[NJzFinest]

V _ V

 

[Niiro]

Latios is probably not broken just like Latias, but it has a lot more going for it offensively. We'll have to see. I'm personally going to try out Dragon Dance / Outrage / Earthquake / Draco Meteor. Like MixMence, but better! (and it doesn't die in one hit)

Latias is better than Latios? Imo, Latios will do much better in OU than Latias, because Latias gets outclassed as a special wall by Blissey. However, Latias is kinda unique because it is one of the fastest dragon types, and also one that is specially based.
Wtf am i talking about lol. I tried.

 

[0RLY]

Latios would send Flygon back to UU. *tear*

 

[A_man13]

Latios would send Flygon back to UU. *tear*

Not just Flygon will be affected. Latios will put Dragonite into even worse place then it already is and special salamence (and mixed sweeper varients) will fall down in popularaty as well. Latios has a 10 base speed advantage, 20 Base Sp. Atk advantage, and the special defence to better take hits. Though salamence clearly is the better physical sweeper, latios learns almost every key move in it's aresonal (outrage, Draco meteor, Earthquake, dragon dance, roost, etc. All it lacks is brick break, crunch, and fire blast) with some bonus support moves and attacks (ice beam, surf, Twave, trick, grass knot, recover, etc.). While with one exception (do I really have to say it) all FE dragons will always be popular choices, but Latios will just become one of the top choices on teams alongside his sister and Salamence.

 

[Chill]

There's nothing stopping you from using the pokemon in OU if you like them so much. Flygon, still has electric immunity and u-turn for what it's worth. Who knows what pokemon might enter OU after this? Registeel might become popular for resisting 3/4 moves on a specs set or all with a LO set. I can't predict the future so I won't waste my time worrying about tier status.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Latios is being tested without Latias (huh?) on the Suspect ladder within the next few days, and if it's voted OU both will be allowed with no restriction. I don't see the point in not allowing Latias on the test ladder but then if it gets unbanned allowing it in standard, but "whatever".

Latios is probably not broken just like Latias, but it has a lot more going for it offensively. We'll have to see. I'm personally going to try out Dragon Dance / Outrage / Earthquake / Draco Meteor. Like MixMence, but better! (and it doesn't die in one hit)

Lol at the exact set I was going to use when Latios becomes legal XD

Latios, despite it's low attack stat seems like the best dragon in the game, if only because DD gives it usable physical attacking power and it's lack of a 4X Ice weakness means it doesn't have to fear dying from a single ice shard at any percent like Salamence.

I was thinking something along the lines of

Latios@Yache Berry
Lonely/Levitate
192Atk/156SpAtk/160Spe
-Dragon Dance
-Earthquake
-Outrage
-Draco Meteor

Kinda like Yache Chomp only a little less fearsome. 156 EV's are needed to always 2HKO 252Hp/0SpDef Hippowdon with Draco Meteor. Still wish there was a way to work in a fire attack though, skarmory will be annoying.

 

[PraKirJaq]

If any of you guys had ANY sort of disagreement with the Latias OU tiering, you should have played in the smogon suspect ladder and tried your best abilities to prove its Uber. Don't go "homg its broken wtf *theorymon*" when you had a chance to prove it with raw battling.

Same goes for the Latios testing that'll happen, but this time around you can get off your butt and do something.

But tbh, I think the Soul Dew tests that they're contemplating on doing are an utter waste of time.

 

[A_man13]

I've played around with Latios in suspect a bit. As I expected, it baisicly fills the role specmence usually filles. The most common set I'm seeing is specs (or scarf. Haven't knocked off any items to give indication) with draco meteor surf and other moves. Anything that likes to use the potent draco meteor is super powerful, but latios takes that to a new level. On a metagross I had on my team for a bit meteor did about 30% to it (which was a big hit in comparason to a salamence) and can almost OHKO everything else sans bronzong. The thing about latios is that it's powerful but it has many an achielies heal to play on. Blissey would love to wall out a meteor and stat it, tyranitar can survive with the dual Sp. Def and deal back with a potent crunch (and even physical versions require lots of EVs and positive nature in order to OHKO TTar), and almost anything steel it has a hard time dealing with. However, my set tries to get around this somewhat:

Latios @ Lefties
Levitate: Naive
94 HP/ 252 Atk/ 108 Sp. Atk/ 56 Speed

Dragon dance
Outrage
Earthquake
Surf

It's near identical to Reaper's set, but with some modifications. This set is destined to counter the pokes that usually would come in and I'd be running in fear from. Come in on something tht has no intentions on staying in, dragon dance on the switch, and deal damage with stab. The speed Evs are for Heracross whom after a dragon dance I'm faster then max speed jolly scarf heracross. Hippowdon is 2HKOed by surf and almost everything else is taking heavy damage. I might make it a +atk nature and play around with the EVs so that I can better deal with tyranitar and Blissey (whom the 70%-80% really needs to be 100% on), but the HP evs could be important.

 

[c3gill]

after playing around on the suspect, what yall think about Latios? ive also been trying him out on the suspect- and with all the steels running around I think it is kind of dumbing down the power of most of the dragons. I am of the opinion that Latios will be shot down to OU- and it kind of makes me sad.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Snap... These debates are quite intense.... I still kinda like the idea of not banning Latias from the ubers, but banning it's Soul Dew. Using it in both areas.

How exactly does Shedinja place again? Nearly every team has atleast 1 way to instantly kill it, via entry hazards or weather effects or just atleast 1 attack that would be super effective against it. Yet, it is capable of walling several entire teams that don't come prepared.

 

[WouW]

If you have no single move to hit Shedinja, you suck. Also, it won't come very far with Stealth Rock and Sandstorm everywhere.

Also, Shedinja is UU.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Ah. Just curious where it woulda ended up. Thank's for the info.

Is Shaymin considered better than Skymin? Or are they both about ranked equally? Skymin may have better offensive stats and a different move pool, but it also has a 4x weakness on it's hands. That's dangerous for pretty much everyone.

And how exactly are they planning on testing Latias again? Just hungry for some knowledge here.

 

[WouW]

Shaymin is now UU (possibly soon BL) and Skymin is now Ubers, I think - they were going to test that soon.

Latias is tested already, and is now OU (Soul Dew is banned, though) and currently they're testing Latios without Soul Dew for OU.

 

[c3gill]

Shaymin is now UU (possibly soon BL) and Skymin is now Ubers, I think - they were going to test that soon.

Latias is tested already, and is now OU (Soul Dew is banned, though) and currently they're testing Latios without Soul Dew for OU.

Dont quote me on it, but i believe the next things to be tested are (in no order) Soul Dew, garchomp, and Skymin(skymin is stage 3). Soul Dew is gonna epic fail, though

 

[A_man13]

Skymin is next I thought. Either that or Latias and Latios on the same team if he makes it to OU

 

[WouW]

If Smogon really is going to test Soul Dew there's something not functioning correctly in their heads.

 

[Niiro]

garchomp deserves to be ou. seriously, i have to use ****ing flygon instead. flygon is balls.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

So, what are the chances of Latios joining Latias, and the two of them being the permanent replacements for Garchomp in the Ou?

 

[c3gill]

With all the steels running around, there are plenty of dragon resists- I think once both the Latis are knocked down to OU, Chomp will follow soon after. Seriously, Latios has 130 Sp Atk, Chomp has 130 base attack. only other big difference? Latios outspeeds (and OHKOs!).

With the Lati@s OU, chomp has to be falling soon. I think they are no way replacing Garchomp, and he will be restored soon enough.

note- although, the meta game SUCKS atm if you ask me. everything is based on steel typing. although, i guess it was dragons before. I just want a balanced metagame.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

In the Kanto version, Psychics were overpowered, because Bugs were weak and nothing else stoped them.

Then Johto came. Dragons were still rare (only 2 fully evolved), but the game was more-or-less more balanced due to Steel Types and Dark Types giving Psychics what for.

Then Hoen came. It didn't feel much changed, although I personally think that those that controlled the weather shined more.

Then Sinnoh came. It would have been a lot different if they started with attacks being physical and special but not by typing. But since they waited so long to do it, I honestly have no idea where the heck the balance is. But it doesn't feel unbalanced. Bugs still stink, but atleast they keep Psychics from being as scary as they were in the first games.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd be pretty ok with both latis legal so long as I get chomp back.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

We can only wait and see... I kinda hope they don't push Dragonite down into the UU though.... atleast not permanently.... he's strong enough to necesitate 2 hit kills with Icebeam, although without the defense (or any defensive items), most other dragons can be 1 hit killed by it. But with 2 more Dragons possibly on the way (maybe a 3rd, if they decide to pull down Garchomp, which I honestly have no idea what's up for him next), everyone might forget about the first 2 sries of games, where Dragonite was a King... ;.; Poor Drag-Zilla... ;.;

Since Zook already quoted what I said, I'm going to go ahead and throw this out there. I hope I don't get flamed too much... If Latias got knocked down from the Ubers without it's item, and the item was good enough to warrent testing on Latios as well, then wouldn't that mean that Garchomp has chance of going to the OU without the Berry? Garchomp is only considered uncounterable because of the strength of the Yacheberry, right? With it, he's good enough to be in the Ubers, right? All 3 Pokemon seem to be only considered Uber because of the hold-items that protect them... But without them, they are considered by many to be simply OU... I know that Choice-Sets are pretty Brutal too, but still....

 

[Zook]

Latias was in the Ubers because of it's item making it strong as heck. But without the item, it is in the OU, right?

Right. Without Soul Dew, they're not broken.

 

[Zook]

Since Zook already quoted what I said, I'm going to go ahead and throw this out there. I hope I don't get flamed too much... If Latias got knocked down from the Ubers without it's item, and the item was good enough to warrent testing on Latios as well, then wouldn't that mean that Garchomp has chance of going to the OU without the Berry?

...This is genious. Go email Smogon right now.

EDIT: Double post, sorry.

 

[A_man13]

...This is genious. Go email Smogon right now.

EDIT: Double post, sorry.

I agree. Too bad scarfchomp is also irritating...

 

[Zook]

I agree. Too bad scarfchomp is also irritating...

But unlike Yachechomp, Scarfchomp can be taken down by more than a few Pokemon. Priority moves, faster Scarfers, Garchomp gets trapped in an attack, etc/

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

I was honestly scared that people were going to view me as heretic for what i said, and flame me out of existance. Smogom seems to list the Choice-Chomps are incredible enemys to even the Ubers too, although without the berry, lots of Pokemon stand to even 1-hit kill a Garchomp with many different types of Ice-Attacks, although some might require items attached to give them either enough speed or power to do it before Garchomp can do anything about it. Yachechomp is both deadly to all and manigable by all, but it seems that with the Item, it is considered Uber (much like Latias and Latios). Maybe the same rules could be applied to it, until the OU and UU find ways to solidly counter it even with the berry? And if I really wanted to email them to ask about that, how would I go about doing it?

 

[Niiro]

Yache chomp is not that hard to take down either....just takes some maneuvering around with your team.

 

[Deleted member]

or you could just hit it. with non-ice.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

There is always that option, but it would make many insecure people a lot better for having some way to instantly kill it before it can kill their entire teams.