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[#HBC | BadWolf]

i mean damn, you're not going to get society to agree that men watching shows for little girls is normal. i think having someone think it's weird but not give a **** is the best bronies can realistically hope for



no man, that's a pretty global standard across all age groups. you act like in the future grown men watching little girls shows will be the norm, but that's just not true. people, overall, are just not like that. men aren't being forced into not watching MLP, they're not scared of watching it. 99% of men don't watch it because they don't want to watch it

maybe yall would be happier if i used the word "strange"? "outside social norm"? either is fine with me

edit: i just want to clarify that i don't care people watch it, i just think it's weird, and i don't think it's ridiculous for me to think it's weird. i actually think that's pretty damn normal

You keep saying this and I'm not sure why you do but I'm going to point it out. You keep assuming that MLP was/is intended for little girls alone.

Lauren Faust, the same creator of shows like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and Powerpuff Girls has a very different view on her show.

Believing that someone can't like something because it's for the other gender is sexist, bigoted, and generally you just being an asshole.

 

[adumbrodeus]

You could make the exact same argument with being gay.

The point is that the difference between "weird" and simply "unusual" isn't a matter of percents, it's a matter of how outsiders perceive it. While some do have virulent views in regards to MLP it's really not generally seen as both unusual and unsettling, at least not among our generation. Just unusual.

It's not the word you use that I'm taking issue with, it's the principal behind it. Fine, you percieve it as weird, that's certainly your right, but for most young adults it's "gentle ribbing" status, not enough to be unnatural and disconcerting.


Edit: phrasing cleaned up

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

You could make the exact same argument with being gay.

The point is that the difference between "weird" and simply "unusual" isn't a matter of percents, it's a matter of how outsiders perceive it. While some do have virulent views in regards to MLP it's really not generally seen as unusual and unsettling, at least not among our generation.

It's not the word you use that I'm taking issue with, it's the principal behind it. Fine, you percieve it as weird, that's certainly your right, but for most young adults it's "gentle ribbing" status, not enough to be unnatural and disconcerting.

Pretty much this.

 

[adumbrodeus]

You keep saying this and I'm not sure why you do but I'm going to point it out. You keep assuming that MLP was/is intended for little girls alone.

Lauren Faust, the same creator of shows like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and Powerpuff Girls has a very different view on her show.

Believing that someone can't like something because it's for the other gender is sexist, bigoted, and generally you just being an *******.

There you have it, initially I thought the "parental bonus material" was added because of the popularity, but I mean that pretty much shows it was the plan from the beginning.

Granted, that's more a "shouldn't be considered weird" then an "isn't", because weird is by consent of society, more specifically people around your age group, but still, makes a lot of sense.

 

[Ashemu]

i dont think liking ponies is that weird but i do expect people who like ponies to be weird given the general state of the fanbase. typical experience is somebody makes an offhand crack about ponies and a pony fan pops up writing walls of text in defense

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

i dont think liking ponies is that weird but i do expect people who like ponies to be weird given the general state of the fanbase. typical experience is somebody makes an offhand crack about ponies and a pony fan pops up writing walls of text in defense

I had followed this from my beginning at this forum. Whether or not I want to defend myself from being considered weird or somehow immoral is nothing short of self defense.

What do you mean "general state" anyway?

 

[adumbrodeus]

i dont think liking ponies is that weird but i do expect people who like ponies to be weird given the general state of the fanbase. typical experience is somebody makes an offhand crack about ponies and a pony fan pops up writing walls of text in defense

Probably because of how much hate to gets from people who are doing little more then trying to enforce arbitrary gender and social roles.

 

[Jdietz43]

For ****'s sake take it to PM. I'm sick of checking the V/LA thread and immediately leaving because of what I see. There's a reason I don't post here.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Dude it's a social thread....

 

[Xivii]

Mav you use the phrase grown man as if their is some intrinsic property about it that states what a grown man is allowed to like. This is not the case. It's just what you've been primed to feel. Also the intended audience of an entertainment form does not necessarily determine the receiving audience. Cartoons in general were originally intended for adults, but today you one generally associates cartoons with children. Just because you are a man and not interested in something doesn't make it weird for another man to be.


We all have our own interests. To feel that someone else's interests are uncanny and unsettling is just a form of elitism. There's really nothing all that odd about a person liking MLP when you take a look at the wide array of interests in this generation. Just take a look at the avas from these last two pages.

Me and Circus - chicks from a kid cartoon
Adum - dude from a comic book
Bardull - video game character
Xonar and Ryker - little anime girls
Ashemu - some weebed out human beast hybrid anime girl in a bathing suit
Joey - some pokemon?

It's really not that dense, you're just being silly

Speaking of pokemon, there's no telling how many male pokemon fans there are above age 18. There's really no difference between these other than the fact that ponies are supposed to only appeal to girls. Clearly that's not the case.

@ Jdietz43 Other than Gorf's and Ashemu's trolling it's not that big a deal.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Minor point but adventure time was always aimed at adults as one of the primary audiences, the underlying themes are pretty dark and there's too much parental bonus material to really be a kid's show.

True of MLP too apparently.

 

[Jdietz43]

I don't understand why you actively put up with something you define as trolling after the same exact events destroyed your other serious thread. This exact same "debate" has been rehashed over and over and over in thread after thread when it doesn't need to be. I feel like enough is enough, that's all I'll say more on the matter.

 

[Xivii]

I don't understand why you actively put up with something you define as trolling after the same exact events destroyed your other serious thread. This exact same "debate" has been rehashed over and over and over in thread after thread when it doesn't need to be. I feel like enough is enough, that's all I'll say more on the matter.

I don't recall ever responding to either of the trolls. Discussing philosophy and cartoons is something else entirely. Punish the trolls, not everyone else.

 

[Maven89]

You could make the exact same argument with being gay.

lol no you can't, being gay isn't a choice or a strange personality quirk.

The point is that the difference between "weird" and simply "unusual" isn't a matter of percents, it's a matter of how outsiders perceive it. While some do have virulent views in regards to MLP it's really not generally seen as both unusual and unsettling, at least not among our generation. Just unusual.
/quote]

no dude you're completely wrong, in "your" generation it's ****ing weird.

[quote="adumbrodeus, post: 17852063, member: 70774"It's not the word you use that I'm taking issue with, it's the principal behind it. Fine, you percieve it as weird, that's certainly your right, but for most young adults it's "gentle ribbing" status, not enough to be unnatural and disconcerting.

that is my exact position[/quote]

 

[adumbrodeus]

lol no you can't, being gay isn't a choice or a strange personality quirk.

That's the point, if simply being unusual made something weird, being lgbtq would certainly qualify. Most of society however is making a conscious effort to recognize that we're not far enough outside of the norm to qualify as creepy and unsettling, so, no longer weird.

that is my exact position

Then the proper term you'd want is "unusual".

I don't understand why you actively put up with something you define as trolling after the same exact events destroyed your other serious thread. This exact same "debate" has been rehashed over and over and over in thread after thread when it doesn't need to be. I feel like enough is enough, that's all I'll say more on the matter.

Because it consumed an inappropriate thread, this is an appropriate thread.

 

[Xivii]

Minor point but adventure time was always aimed at adults as one of the primary audiences, the underlying themes are pretty dark and there's too much parental bonus material to really be a kid's show.

True of MLP too apparently.

The innuendos are hilarious. I think what appeals to me most about the show are the abstract sci-fi concepts that are randomly thrown in.

Things that general appeal to me in a cartoon:

- Appealing animation
- Science fiction elements
- Background continuity / foreground continuity
- Subtle humor

All the animation I enjoy is strong in at least one of these areas

Adventure Time, everything on cartoon hangover, gravity falls, mlp, A:TLA

I like mlp for the animation and simplicity, voice acting, and its promotion of friendship and generally just bein kind to one another.
A:TLA is my personal all time favorite cartoon ever made. The animation is just so brilliant to me. Not to mention the incredible music and emotion put into it.

 

[Maven89]

aight i'm just gonna end my piece on this with another quote

"You want the world to be one way. But it's not. It's the other way" - Marlo Stanfield

 

[Ashemu]

hi ryu :-*

 

[Circus]

dude the pony thing is real. like i think even circus can concede its ****ing weird (what will it be? social justice warrior for ponies or social justice warrior for prepubescent girls?)

>conversation is not about circus
>circus is not involved in conversation
> "even circus..."

What am I in your mind? Keeper of all outcasts?

For the record, a list of things I think are "****ing weird":
-gender roles
-gender exclusive entertainment
-age exclusive entertainment
-interest shaming in general (when said interest is not harmful)

 

[Circus]

aight i'm just gonna end my piece on this with another quote

"You want the world to be one way. But it's not. It's the other way" - Marlo Stanfield

the world is what we make it yo

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Circus +100 decency

Edit: lol totally wrong name there

 

[Circus]

Me and Circus - chicks from a kid cartoon

 

[Ashemu]

Zen is right btw however note that he didnt mention badwolf's avatar in his list because if you like ponies you are the devil

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Quite

10chars

 

[Circus]

Zen is right btw however note that he didnt mention badwolf's avatar in his list because if you like ponies you are the devil

 

[Ashemu]

yea my freinds pressured me into watching season 1 of fim when it first came out....... look at where i am now

ponies: not even once

just say no

 

[adumbrodeus]

aight i'm just gonna end my piece on this with another quote

"You want the world to be one way. But it's not. It's the other way" - Marlo Stanfield

Well I do want the world to be one way, I'd much prefer say trans people and furries were not considered weird and merely unusual because there's no good reason for them to be considered creepy and unnerving, but alas the world is what it is.

But you overestimate the amount of hate ponies get, mostly a few vocal detractors.

Gorf +100 decency

Guessing a PM convo, sorta impressed.

yea my freinds pressured me into watching season 1 of fim when it first came out....... look at where i am now

ponies: not even once

just say no

I watched a few episodes and I didn't get obsessed

 

[Ashemu]

furries are definitely weird one infracted me on an internet forum for saying mean things about horse fans

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Actually no, it surprised me in a good way as well.

 

[Ashemu]

I watched a few episodes and I didn't get obsessed

i just gradually lost interest because it's a kids' show, it's decently-made for one but there's not much depth or humor to it. i understand why people like it though

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I do not think gender neutral is possible, people will tend to go one way or another even without society pushing it, which it does.

Wierd is also subjective but even then I don't think liking a show like MLP is really wierd. Associating it with child porn is really dumb, not even comparable.

Weird exists and I do not think you can say them thinking that is wrong per day. I don't agree with adult men watching this is weird.

That said I think I'd rather just embrace it either way, I'm a furry but I don't care what people say of me on that. And I admit it's weird but heck i enjoy it.

I don't dress in a fur suit and stuff like that though, **** that lol.

 

[adumbrodeus]

I do not think gender neutral is possible, people will tend to go one way or another even without society pushing it, which it does.

Wierd is also subjective but even then I don't think liking a show like MLP is really wierd. Associating it with child porn is really dumb, not even comparable.

Weird exists and I do not think you can say them thinking that is wrong per day. I don't agree with adult men watching this is weird.

That said I think I'd rather just embrace it either way, I'm a furry but I don't care what people say of me on that. And I admit it's weird but heck i enjoy it.

I don't dress in a fur suit and stuff like that though, **** that lol.

It's not really a question of true neutrality, it's a matter of not creating social pressures for somebody to be one way or the other based solely on biology that has a very tenuous connection to roles that are functionally arbitrary.

Taking pride in "otherness" is a decent coping mechanism but at the end of the day, society shouldn't see it as hitting the point of being unsettling.

 

[Ashemu]

btw for why i dont like pony fans, one of my best friends who likes the series had to stop using the name Applejack on steam because he would get messages from randoms trying to initiate erotic roleplay. not even just as a one-off thing. please think about this for a moment.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

So you're assuming that everyone who likes mlp is out to get sex in a pony form?

 

[Ashemu]

you mean they arent????

 

[Ashemu]

for real tho thats putting words into my mouth. most of what ive seen of people who heavily associate themselves with the fandom have been creeps, i dont think its unreasonable to be uncertain about somebody with a pony avatar until they prove theyre not weird

this is specifically ppl who have a "brony" identity, not people who just like the show. i do this with other fandoms too tbh including some of media i like

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

That's not very fair to most anyone...

 

[Maven89]

It's not really a question of true neutrality, it's a matter of not creating social pressures for somebody to be one way or the other based solely on biology that has a very tenuous connection to roles that are functionally arbitrary.
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Concepts like masculinity or femininity are not some arbitrary standard passed down to people by some assholes. it's a cross-cultural concept that exists naturally because of biology. if you're a man your brain is wired different from a womans. that is a fact. this is where masculinity, femininity, and gender roles come from. maybe you don't feel any drive towards being masculine, but don't believe that the men that do are brainwashed or forced into doing it. most men, id' say 99%, feel like men. I don't really want to take care of children. I want to go out and earn money. that is because i am a man. My GF has a job, but her life goal is to be a nurturer and a caretaker. because she's a woman. we both naturally want these things.

 

[#HBC | BadWolf]

Concepts like masculinity or femininity are not some arbitrary standard passed down to people by some *******s. it's a cross-cultural concept that exists naturally because of biology. if you're a man your brain is wired different from a womans. that is a fact. this is where masculinity, femininity, and gender roles come from. maybe you don't feel any drive towards being masculine, but don't believe that the men that do are brainwashed or forced into doing it. most men, id' say 99%, feel like men. I don't really want to take care of children. I want to go out and earn money. that is because i am a man. My GF has a job, but her life goal is to be a nurturer and a caretaker. because she's a woman. we both naturally want these things.

Psychologically speaking most people don't associate with one gender or the other alone. People are unique. It's hard to categorize people into masculine and feminine because there are people who associate in the middle or even not even with their own gender at all. Take me for instance. I like MLP and I like League of Legends. You can't say that I'm only male oriented because of the crap that I was born with in between my legs.

 

[Ashemu]

I like MLP and I like League of Legends.

wow badwolf is the biggest manchild on teh site, who the hell likes league of legends