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Dexter Mafia ~ ...?

#HBC | J

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Tanny, I've done that though and I'm still banging my head against the wall. x_X

I need a breather. Brb later. RR, I would like your town list when I get back, thank you.
 

Choice

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my opinions/reads on everyone are as follows
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.Myself - duh
.Tandora - her play is really consistent
.Ryker - his play so far has been strongly protown. he's a jerk sometimes but thats more just of how he deals with people he finds scummy i guess, which honestly makes me think all the more that he's town.
.Asdioh - caz of being masoned mostly, although his play has been pretty decent too. i think he slipped the fact that he had a quicktopic before he even claimed mason, or i had some tabs out of order, but unless theres something really funky going on, he's looking town.

Null
.Glyph - the only significant posts i've seen are those related to his counterclaim on red ryu. however, the flip essentially guarantees either town or scum in my mind. i don't believe there would be 2 cops without being in communication with one another. i don't care about flavor possibly saying there could be, this is still mafia w/some dexter flavor and not some game based off of dexter that is similar to mafia.
.WashedLaundry - (leaning town) its mostly just that i'm having a hard time reading him that's keeping him from being in my town list.
.J - (leaning town) i don't get it, but it feels as if maybe i just want to put you into the same list as tandora and ryker since it seems like theres some same-team chemistry there. nothing that's made me think you're scummy, but not fully convinced i would put you in my town list
.Gheb_01 - (leaning scum) theres still just not enough from ghebby. i feel like maybe since he's had so little attention put on him, he's allowing himself to just kinda coast.
.JTB - where is this guy?
.Zen - theres been like nothing from him
.Gordito - same as zen, but slighly more input. i think inactivity isnt a scumtell, its a lazytell.

Scum
.Red Ryu - he got CC'd, also i really don't like how he was dealing with his wagon in the first place. i said it seemed like he was getting desperate, and now with a CC it makes sense in my head as to why he would be. regardless of flip, i think it'll be really important to look at where he was trying to throw the attention at
.Soupamario - his play recently has been better so it makes me think better of him, but that doesn't erase the past. i'm still very confused at his reactions to my vote/case but i don't think he's the right lynch for toDay so that's being delayed. on top of that, he's said that his play will improve so i'm keeping an eye out for that.
.Rajam - he's just generally been really quiet and his reaction to his wagon wasn't that great. i feel like he's been quiet since he realizes how close he was to being lynched and how he did not deal well with that pressure, but i dunno.
.Dark Horse - he said in one of his posts that he's scummy. also i'm just not liking how he responds to things. i don't know what relationship he has with RR, but maybe he's just trying to create all this drama since RR is prolly going to be lynched and then he hopes people will be like "oh, yea dark horse had a terrible connection with him, so they can't be working together"
.T-block - he's had some weird posts, and though it may be just some unsteady play at the start it feels like its reoccuring even still. i haven't seen anything from him that would make me believe he is town.
 

#HBC | J

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I ask for simple scum-picks and I get what I was expecting from RR.

@_@

I'll read that completely when I get back.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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It's a bit late for town to decide on a specific player, though, Tandora. If this happened yesterday, I might've agreed to it, but having played in as many games as I have, getting a group of sixteen people to sit down and debate out the best case at the moment is going to take a lot of time and that's becoming more of a premium as time goes on.

I'll give it a shot--my scum reads have died--but I'm not holding my breath.

Why do you need to know his town list, J?
 

#HBC | Laundry

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unvote

i wanna die to out glyph though...i think he's scum since he vanished against after making two posts with nothing and leaving.
so put your gogdamn vote on him and make others do it too
 

#HBC | Dark Horse

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You skipped some of my pointts, there were around 14 quotes in my original post and you have around 5 in big bold letter while also not addressing most if any of them, very cool.
Hmmm...maybe it's because they're not really attacking me?

Point#1: No you didn't state it black and white try again.
WL be skimming.
Attack on skimming
Both of these were in my catchup post.

Point#2: No it isn't that point was brief at best and you brought in nothing else.
Clarify this. You're saying that what I used wasn't enough to dislike J?

Point#3: No but you excluded them all and only looked very minimally at Ryker at best.
Ryker because he was the only one in the group who shouldn't be under a hair of suspicion from the wagon

Point#4: Ok so pressure is a dead giveaway, where is it at anyone else at the wagon, why ignore them?
Ignore them? What do you think I should've done? Saying " X,X, and X are scum because of their wagon" is almost the exact same as pressure, except in an argument.

Tan's support of RR is two things:

Flavor

The final line confirming his sanity is an awful specific detail and I have been in that situation where I didn't completely read my pm (aka Dissidia) because I figured I knew my role and didn't need to read thoroughly.
Here's the thing. I have suspected from the beginning that there may be several cops in this game, all with differing sanity.

Angel, Doakes, Guerta, Debra, Mizuka, Quinn are all cops that Dexter works with in the show. I could very easily see Doakes as a paranoid cop or he could get a guilty on Dexter regardless of Dexter's alignment since he is VERY suspicious of Dexter.
Wifom

In short, don't depend on either character claims or role claims too much guys. Look at motivation. As I said before in this game, WHY and HOW someone says something is more important than WHAT they say. (Yet this and flavor are the only things tan has that helps prove RR's claim)

RR has been a huge lynch target and it's 72 hours in a large game until deadline. I don't think his claim was premature and scum would have waited a lot longer.
And this:

Everyone take a moment to do a reread. Hell, take a random player and just ISO them. Step back from the situation and really read their posts.
She's trying to get attention away from the cops, with 72 hours until deadline.

Choice, the reason I spazzed out was because RR was a apparently going by the "If it isn't typed, it doesn't exist" theory.
 

#HBC | Dark Horse

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Choice, what do you think of scum players lurking to avoid suspicion? You seemed to not realize this while saying "inactivity is a scumtell"
 

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@Tandora:
just caz there may be several cops from the show in the game doesn't mean that they would have the same role though. like one of the mafia games i've played in the BBR was DeathNote mafia. The good guys were all for the most part cops of some sort, but we had only 1 that was known as town cop, i think. for sure there was only 1 person that could carry out the standard cop ability of knowing someone is scum or not at night.
rajam or t-block can you confirm what i said about DNM? i realize its been quite a long time so i might have the details wrong. ah i should just go and check it and stop being lazy.

what i'm pretty much getting at though, is that you can have these characters be cop, tracker, etc.

the situation here though is that both have claimed town cop, knowing that they are sane. RR asked glyph like right away pretty much.
 

#HBC | Ryker

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We lynch Red Ruy and if he flips town, we lynch Glyph. It really is that simple. Are you guys dumb?
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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I'm perfectly fine with going if need be, however my last request is to address Dark Horse and give J what he asked.
 

#HBC | J

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I am so conflicted about this. Gimme a couple of minutes to respond to some posts and think more. I am thinking alot lately....
 

#HBC | Ryker

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I am so conflicted about this. Gimme a couple of minutes to respond to some posts and think more. I am thinking alot lately....
I'm pretty much fine with lynching Ruy and then Glyph if he's town.

If Ruy flips town, he's accomplished his job anyway and if he goes, I'll spoil Gurren Lagan and he can go out with a bang.
 

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Choice, what do you think of scum players lurking to avoid suspicion? You seemed to not realize this while saying "inactivity is a scumtell"
i said inactivity isnt a scumtell. people lurking without posting i think would only bring them into more suspicion. its like you know what's happening but you're not saying anything because you're ok with where everything is going. if you're like where things are going and you are town, you would be prone to give input though.

complete inactivity, like we see with Gordito, JTB and Zen pretty much (as well as glyph - like 3 posts), displays disinterest/lack of time/low priority/laziness instead to me. it hurts town for sure, so its not like inactivity means you're perfectly fine, but its a stretch to say that its scummy. i guess its sorta like a hierarchy in my head.

scumtell from posting > "scumtell" from inactivty

i have a hard time believing that anyone would sign up to play a game of mafia and seriously go with the strategy of "i'm not gonna post so i can win" as well, but maybe i just havent played enough online games or think too well of people =3
 

#HBC | J

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Why do you need to know his town list, J?
I need his town list because he is a lynch target and the most likely to be lynched so regardless of flip his reads will be important since they will be the last thing he gives us. If he is scum, we will find inconsistencies and connections drawn from them, if he is town we will see true intent and intel from them.

I'm pretty much fine with lynching Ruy and then Glyph if he's town.

If Ruy flips town, he's accomplished his job anyway and if he goes, I'll spoil Gurren Lagan and he can go out with a bang.


I'm gonna wait till I see RR's town list.

Ryker, if RR does flip town. I want Gheb after Glyph.
 

#HBC | J

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i said inactivity isnt a scumtell. people lurking without posting i think would only bring them into more suspicion. its like you know what's happening but you're not saying anything because you're ok with where everything is going. if you're like where things are going and you are town, you would be prone to give input though.

complete inactivity, like we see with Gordito, JTB and Zen pretty much (as well as glyph - like 3 posts), displays disinterest/lack of time/low priority/laziness instead to me. it hurts town for sure, so its not like inactivity means you're perfectly fine, but its a stretch to say that its scummy. i guess its sorta like a hierarchy in my head.

scumtell from posting > "scumtell" from inactivty

i have a hard time believing that anyone would sign up to play a game of mafia and seriously go with the strategy of "i'm not gonna post so i can win" as well, but maybe i just havent played enough online games or think too well of people =3
Choice, what's your opinion on what I should do in this dilemna I am in?
 

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i really dont even get what your dilemma is. i also don't get why you keep posting all these girls with parasols. is this what you meant when you said there is a meme regarding that you're a girl?
 

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ebwop: like i think i missed where you said what you're conflicted about
 

#HBC | Ryker

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I'm gonna wait till I see RR's town list.

Ryker, if RR does flip town. I want Gheb after Glyph.
I make no promises. There's other people I want to look into, like TBlock. Gheb's cool to check out (if he lives oooooooo~OOOOO~oooooo), but idk who the play will be.

Also, Choice, incoming rant about lurkers being anti-town.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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I get that you want his reads but shouldn't his scum picks be enough? Scum look for highly esteemed townies to target when a confirmed townie isn't

And yeh, you really shouldn't schedule lynches unless it's something obvious like this Glyph/Ruy situation.
 

#HBC | J

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My dilemna is this situation revolving RR. What is your opinion as to what you think I should do and what you would suggest to others to do.

Also, I love Dahlia Hawthorne to absolute pieces and that's the reason why I love posting with gifs of her since I am a big Phoenix Wright fan as well (the game she comes from). I am called a girl because of the way I post and so many people mistook what I was ">.> Think of all these gifs, plus pink txt, a Dahlia ava, and more emoticons. Yeaaaaa.

@Ryker: I know you make no promises. I wanna look at TBlock as well but Gheb is bugging the hell out of me this game and personally I am gonna be looking at him more.

@WL: I guess it's a matter of opinion to what I find helpful.
 

#HBC | Ryker

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Okay, Choice. Lurking is completely anti-town, regardless of the motivations behind it. It is THE BEST strategy for scum if they're allowed to. They sit there and make no paper trail and let town destroy themselves. They need to be lynched so that they don't lurk/coast. You get more out of the lynch of an active scum than a coasting scum, so forcing them to be active is wonderful. However, townies do it too. They also need to be lynched. They LET scum coast because they're allowing for mislynches within the lurkers. They aren't scum hunting and they're a liability because they're soooooooo easy for scum to push a mislynch on.
 

#HBC | Ryker

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@Ryker: I know you make no promises. I wanna look at TBlock as well but Gheb is bugging the hell out of me this game and personally I am gonna be looking at him more.
Don't tunnel.

Don't let him get to you. Being a **** isn't a scum tell. I've done much worse to everyone.

Keep a clear head and don't pad your case.
 

#HBC | J

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But Ryker, with you I know it's different. Gah, fine. I'll do a re-read of him depending on flip. No promises, kay?
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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J - Town, he actually reads what I am saying and doesn't remove any of the cases and comments I made, also his calls out on Gheb are 100% legit. I don't get this fluff stuff he is talking about, I see concrete and good content in his questions seeing where they are going. The follow ups are good

vVv Choice - Super de dopper town, I like his play he doesn't immediately vote or make silly comments, very intelligent. He takes time to read and respond to people to get a better understanding of situations and well as making sure he has the right choice, lolpuns, with it. I can't find anything scummy with him at all tbh.

WashedLaundry - Despite how much he wants me to die, I think he is town. His play he good and his follow ups seem to be well worked on before he goes through with anything. He was right to call me out on the Glyph is posting elsewhere on the site yet this game is going on and he is ignoring it on purpose. Since it's not exactly a scum tell or scum hunting, I hate inactives so much though :(,

Rajam - I know this is weird but meta tells me he is town. He plays catch up in any mafia he is in so it is not a scum tell, however when he does post he makes it count at times he does. For now I would somehow tell him to play immediate catch-up so he doesn't fall so far behind he loses sight of current events. But at the very least his play is matching his town play, so I feel confident about him.

Tandora - She is openly working on getting reads on situations rather than hiding and playing it safe. I'm not seeing this BS busing or BS reasoning to call people out. She hasn't made any slips or even did anything inconsistent. I love her more pro town attitude. Town.

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Asdioh - Null at this point, what is bothering me the most about him is his claim of mason so early and the fact. I feel more scum from him because he is coast way more at this point rather than starting wagons like he did earlier before with me.

Ryker - Might be play style but I hate how he is shrugs off and calls out posts telling people to read him like it's some kind of easy thing to do with him. He's dead wrong, you need clarity to people or people are going to get mixed feels from them. I feel like he has townie play at times the more I look at it but really it's more likely to be legit, I'm not putting him into a town read though.

JTB - I like his input but I want more from him to help me feel better about him, he's not cleared for me at this point and he should post more so town can get a better read on him.

Zen - Post more, I got almost little too nothing.

Gordito - At least he posted more than Zen but I want to see a bit more he posted a while back commenting on the situation and the deadline, but I hope to see more from him so other can get a better read on him.

T-Block - He was leaning town til his I don't believe you posts. He doesn't even question anything and put a label on me, feels like scum T-Block but I'm not sure I can follow this meta read, T-Block scum is hard to nail down since he can hide as scum very very well.

Gheb_01 - He is the closest of the nulls to going into scum. He isn't contributing as much as he could. J has pointed this out and I went at him a bit due to him doing this. I wouldn't have as much of a problem if it wasn't the fact I feel like this game he is playing differently way differently as himself. I want to see him make more input and more clearly with what town needs. If I lived to D2 I was gonna cop him first over anyone else since he is hard as hell for me to nail down and I felt scum from him a bit. His larger response back to me felt townie which is why he is null. So be wary of him.

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Soupamario - Your play screams scum but meta says otherwise, your not gonna be good for town if you don't shape up, you never have shaped up. Your scum. His idiotic questions and making almost obvious scum tells is like he's trolling us. He needs to be lynched.

Dark Horse - His limited content and BS responses are being noticed by town which is very good. I really don't like him and his OMGUS behavior, he never went this far with it as town. He still hasn't clearly shown any true answer to anything about his scum team, he never hinted at a scum team like that, or that J was scum. His play is awful with scum hunting. What has he done after his good post? tunnel'd me all day, when I flip town look at him.

Glyph - Lying CC is a lying CC lynch him.

Time to move closer to the moment, OMG spoilers. Good Luck town.
 

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Sgt. Doakes, town cop, responding to prod, *****es.

You know, the guy who's investigative abilities caught Dexter himself, Former Army member, good friend of LaGuerta, doesn't take ****, etc.

vote: RR
freaking Glyph

Is it possible for two cops? Idk but grah head malfunction x______X
It is very possible, unfortunately. If we get two mislynches because one cop was scummy and the other was inactive, I'm going to be pissed.

Ohhhhh RR, the fun you're about to have. Yes, my sanity is confirmed. Now enjoy being dead!
Two cops with confirmed sanity? Now that sounds fishy, unless it is balanced by like... no doctors/watchers/lots of roleblockers/a godfather/some millers/stuff

ugh. But yeah it's a 16 person game, and the flavor makes sense for multiple cops, so I'm considering it a possibility.

We both look at the same person and compare results.
This is stupid

People need to see that I'm being pro-town regardless of my masonry with Ryker, pay attention guys


Ryker, do you think it's possible that RR and Glyph could both be cop? Do you think we should lynch an inactive instead?
 

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please don't spoil Gurren Lagann when I'm in the process of watching it :|
 

#HBC | J

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Vote: Red Ryu

Red Ryu, I will personally make sure Gheb/DH get looked into more if you do flip town. If you flip scum, then your AtE at the end is making me second guess myself so horrendously and I applaud you. ;_;
 

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The deadline has been set for 9:00pm EST on May 12th

With 16 players alive it takes 9 to lynch!

Tandora (0) -
Glyph (0) -
JTB (0) -
Rajam (0) -
vVv Choice (0) -
WashedLaundry (1) - Rajam,
Ryker (0) -
Gordito (0) -
Zen (0) -
Red Ryu (8) - WashedLaundry, Ryker, Dark Horse, Glyph, vVv Choice, T-block, J, Red Ryu,
Gheb_01 (0) -
Soupamario (0) -
T-block (1) - Soupamario,
Dark Horse (1) - Tandora,
Asdioh (0) -
J (1) - Gheb_01,

No Lynch (0) -

Not Voting (4) - Gordito, Zen, JTB, Asdioh,
 

#HBC | J

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Uuuuuuuggggh that is such a good ending and it had to be ruined by one vote short.

Someone hammer the guy. =/
 

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Okay, Choice. Lurking is completely anti-town, regardless of the motivations behind it. It is THE BEST strategy for scum if they're allowed to. They sit there and make no paper trail and let town destroy themselves. They need to be lynched so that they don't lurk/coast. You get more out of the lynch of an active scum than a coasting scum, so forcing them to be active is wonderful. However, townies do it too. They also need to be lynched. They LET scum coast because they're allowing for mislynches within the lurkers. They aren't scum hunting and they're a liability because they're soooooooo easy for scum to push a mislynch on.
alright, that makes sense.
 
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