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Ridley makes sense as he has been surrounded in ambiguity; E3 would be the time to unveil such a behemoth. So he seems likely enough. The only downside is that if we were not to receive any Zelda newcomers (which doesn't seem plausible) then we would probably only get Ganondorf for our Zelda "fix."
I honestly thought that Ghirahim had the most supporters out of any Legend of Zelda character.
But they blatantly gave Ridley and Palutena away, didn't they?
Well, realistically yes, especially in the case of Palutena. But technically no, because those series already have representation.
He will appear in all three of them.
I am also going with Hyrule Warriors.
Agreed. Personally I can imagine Ghirahim repeatedly battling Link throughout the game on orders of Ganondorf in order to test him.
Their reasoning is completely and utterly fallacious too. I mean, if Ghirahim appeared in just one other title, he would all of a sudden be a prominent character. His role obviously doesn't matter, just the notion that he appears. He could be a cameo for all they care.
I can't imagine seeing him in Zelda U, but I think he has a good shot at appearing in smash bros and hyrule warriors.
To explain a couple of things:
1. Both Sheik and ZSS are alternate versions of incredibly popular and important characters. They got in mainly because they were originally just transformations of their more iconic forms, and stayed because in Smash, they are popular characters with unique movesets, regardless of the role they play in their series. Roy was the main protagonist in his game and Fire Emblem, like Pokemon, is completely different from every other series due to the massive number of characters. It's not just that a one time villain from a series that already has one is unlikely to get in, they also shouldn't get in when characters like Ridley, K. Rool, and even Samurai Goroh and Porky are still unplayable.
I don't really see him as likely in and of himself considering the idea of getting another Zelda character is just very strange to guess at because it recycles a small cast of people that we already have for the most part and rarely revisits anyone else that they've introduced as a major character. That makes the entire business of it very ambiguous. Not to mention Toon Zelda and Sheik/Tetra.
Among the characters that are in the same position as him, as in, potential one-offs, we have characters like Midna and Majora-kid who've both been deconfirmed via assist trophies, and were both less praise (I think) and no longer relevant to what is being shown in Smash Bros. or modern relative to the audience (while Ghirahim and his game are the most relevant to Smash and to what has recently come out which Sakurai to a degree values), and even during the pre-Brawl days they battled with each other for a chance along with Wolf-Link and Zant, meaning among what was popular and relevant than wasn't very clear. Vaati and Tingle remain, and only the former is liked to a remarkable degree worldwide (as does Ghirahim) and has tons of potential (as does Ghirahim), while the latter is more of a Japan favorite (who is less liked than Ghirahim's similar-but-very-different flamboyant style; not to mention, many of Tingle's bonus points are from a spin-off which isn't related to the Zelda and thus a tad divorced from the Zelda representative issue). So it really comes down to whether Vaati's several appearances or Ghirahim's spotlight and relevancy (and what seems like more popularity) is worth more, and on a personal level I think the latter wins, and also from what we've seen with the Assist trophies and newcomers, I think his values might be a bit more aligned with the Demon Lord and not the Wind Mage. You've mentioned Impa, but I don't really see what's so interesting about her as a recurring character that has a small role, how she brings anything new to the table, or why Ghirahim wouldn't do a better job stepping in from Skyward Sword, being incredibly prominent in how it played out. And yeah, you can bring up Sheik as a potential detractor for her. So... Ghirahim is the front runner with all of this in mind, to me. This is ignoring the confusion that is the Toon Zelda thing.
Sure, but I don't see your point. We're not trying to say that he's a shoe-in, or at least I'm not. He's just the best choice out of what we've seen for this iteration.
Well, Sakurai's lack of conern for what you think we need aside, you mustn't look at this like Ghirahim getting in means the rest of the roster is stagnant. Why couldn't we get some of those villains at the same time, as if his inclusion denies their possibility? It doesn't.
You made a claim and refuted it in the next sentence, regardless of how little you think it is. And it isn't, because it goes to explain something that never was before, something that apparently has been kept in a secret file for a while, something that apparently justified creating a timeline and creating the Hyrule Historia. So evidently Nintendo thinks something of it. The entire game of Skyward Sword offered explanations to things, and with it being most relevant on the home console series and with Smash Bros., having such an important game to the series AS A WHOLE isn't too out there and by virtue of itself sets Ghirahim apart from those you go onto list after this.
Yeah but we'd be playing as him only because he's being possessed with Majora, so really calling him Skull Kid is somewhat misleading and the other appearances don't really add to why anyone would want him in, even his Assist trophy has nothing to do with Skull Kid at all. Just a small point in passing here.
I agree that he'd make a great assist trophy and I'd be delighted to see that, but it's a bit much to assume that's the best case scenario. Without a doubt though, we'll be seeing a collectable trophy.
Believing anyone will be playable, as far as newcomers goes, is setting oneself for disappointment. No one has even the slightest clue what they are talking about. Not even me, I'm just explaining why it seems from our limited perspective that Ghirahim seems like the most probable option if we are to receive one.
We are getting content from games from 2013, I don't see how it would be hard to have a character from 2011, Ghirahim is more important than any of the villains you mentioned as his actions are far more important than what any of those guys did, and, ghirahim has the potential to return in the future unlike many other villains in the franchise
I agree with you and this wall of text. I'm just hoping that maybe there's a chance he gets included in a future Zelda game so that his potential inclusion in Smash would be more justified.
I feel as though they could be pretty interesting vertical projectiles. Something that you can necessarily jump over, you would have to shield or dodge.
What about both? can I dream?
I would really like them to be able to surround a character like they do in Skyward Sword.
He might. Though he might use just one, or none at all.
Personally, I would want him with two swords. That is one of the only reasons I would be okay with Toon Ganondorf over Ganon. But yeah, I doubt he would use just one sword if he had the option to use two. It would be such a missed opportunity!
My gripe with two swords is that it gives him little opportunities with which to snap his fingers.
You are right. I just assumed that he would snap them anyways! Maybe he could have one sword, but he pulls out the second one for Smash attacks or something. That would be pretty cool.
I had an idea where he uses one sword, and his Down Special creates a second one as an item, effectively giving him two swords (until he throws the item)
That would be a really interesting move, I really enjoyed it when he grabbed my sword and threw it at me. I wanted that incorporated into his Smash 4 move-set, but I didn't really think it was possible. But that, now that is a GREAT idea.
Yep, he can and that would be really awesome
