December 21st, 2012. The end of days?

[shadenexus18]

The videos are quite old and even the subject matter is nothing new. You keep saying 90 minutes as if that's a long time. Do you know what comas are? People go into comas for days sometimes, they see things. Most of the times it's they have convinced themselves so strongly about something, that they see it in the comatose state.

Plus, I'm not worried about December 21st, as you kept stating throughout your post. Isn't that the Winter equinox?

Guys, have you read or took a glimspe of "Dante's Inferno?" If you haven't well it's about a guy who sees Hell in a vision. Also, it just so happens to be frozen over. I believe this is a perfect example of what we are talking about. And he had to of been in a coma. There's no way in the world he could of drempt something like that in a regular 8 to nine hours worth of sleep.

And I don't know as of right now whether D. 21st is Christmas, but what I do know is that, well you know, speculation of Christ's birth, we celebrate it on that day for some reason, Santa Claus steals some of Christ's thunder, yatta yatta yatta.

 

[Zink]

when did this turn into a religion thread, gwarsh.
yo Eor... I don't think you understand what you are talking about... but before we get into anything I want to know if anyone is still interested in the main topic lol... if not... en garde...

 

[Jam Stunna]

Ha, that date is my six-year wedding anniversary.

 

[Crimson King]

Guys, have you read or took a glimspe of "Dante's Inferno?" If you haven't well it's about a guy who sees Hell in a vision. Also, it just so happens to be frozen over. I believe this is a perfect example of what we are talking about. And he had to of been in a coma. There's no way in the world he could of drempt something like that in a regular 8 to nine hours worth of sleep.

Dante is NOT a good example. A. He was excommunicated from the church due to being a heretic (by one of the Popes he blasts) and B. He was exiled from his home city of Florence. Dante was troubled and quite possibly insane due to the fact that he never saw his family again, save for rare occurances. As for the visions, his own son said he made it all up. He claims that one of the few times he spoke to him, Dante confessed the origins as madness and not something he really experience. Dante, disowned his son for that claim, believes he actually went to these places, body and soul.

And I don't know as of right now whether D. 21st is Christmas, but what I do know is that, well you know, speculation of Christ's birth, we celebrate it on that day for some reason, Santa Claus steals some of Christ's thunder, yatta yatta yatta.

Um, December 25th is Christmas. I didn't get what you mean. We do not celebrate December 25 because that is the day Jesus was, possibly, born. He was born in August or September at the latest. December 25th was chosen due to the popularity of Mithraism in the Roman empire and the ease of people adopting a date they already celebrated. Mithra, born decades before Jesus, was born on December 25th.

when did this turn into a religion thread, gwarsh.
yo Eor... I don't think you understand what you are talking about... but before we get into anything I want to know if anyone is still interested in the main topic lol... if not... en garde...

What do you expect? The date is speculated as the end of the world ANY religious person sees this as their deadline to gain favors with their god.

 

[Tryptomine]

Question time!

How do you know you're right? Thats all I want to ask. (This is mostly directed at the Christians here, but open to everyone in the interest of contrast.)

 

[Crimson King]

Question time!

How do you know you're right? Thats all I want to ask. (This is mostly directed at the Christians here, but open to everyone in the interest of contrast.)

They don't, just like we don't.

Theist have to rely on faith. Faith is belief in something without proof. They have to have FAITH that the bible/Koran/Torah are true books to the respective faith and that the authors were divinely inspired and not herbaly inspired.

Non-theist and atheist have to rely on science and logic and assume that that is all their is. It's less faith based as their are tests to prove it to an extent, but there is always the possibility that the tests could prove nothing cosmically.

In a sense, we don't know.

 

[inside]

Well they did say that we only have 10 years left.

 

[cF=)]

You don't know if heaven and/or hell exist or not. For someone so dependent on statistical verification to explain things, you sure made an unsupported leap to the conclusion that heaven and hell don't exist. It has not been proven or disproved, I suggest not contradicting yourself in making such assumptions. You have just as good of a guess of what goes on, or lack of what goes on, after someone dies as I do.

You misunderstood me. I wanted to call 'fake' the vision people had of heaven and hell during NDE, because these mere hallucinations are provoked by a drug. I don't call impossible the existence of an after-life if such exists, but when people recall seeing tunnels and the like, I don't buy it.

 

[1337ZSS]

I THINK I'll just be one of the few just trying to ignore it. I mean, come on. How intelligent can those stupid Mayans be? It's just an educated guess. They don't HAVE anything advanced to support their infamous theory.

Ok, I may be wrong, but I dunno.

 

[Zink]

I THINK I'll just be one of the few just trying to ignore it. I mean, come on. How intelligent can those stupid Mayans be? It's just an educated guess. They don't HAVE anything advanced to support their infamous theory.

Ok, I may be wrong, but I dunno.

yeah, I bet they couldn't even wavedash
This end of the world stuff is all very silly. You won't know the day or the hour and all that... besides, think about it logically. What do people do for deadlines? Slack off and try to finish everything at the last minute. And that's not really what God is going for here.

 

[dbz22]

yeah, I bet they couldn't even wavedash
This end of the world stuff is all very silly. You won't know the day or the hour and all that... besides, think about it logically. What do people do for deadlines? Slack off and try to finish everything at the last minute. And that's not really what God is going for here.

Yea no one except god can predict the fate of the world and some those mayans are PEOPLE not god.

 

[Smash bro pro]

Begining of 2000 everything would crash...............................

 

[dbz22]

Begining of 2000 everything would crash...............................

Yes that was a rumor to but did it come true?!?!?!? nope point taken

 

[1337ZSS]

yeah, I bet they couldn't even wavedash
This end of the world stuff is all very silly. You won't know the day or the hour and all that... besides, think about it logically. What do people do for deadlines? Slack off and try to finish everything at the last minute. And that's not really what God is going for here.

I know right and they're trying to have people believe the same thing the Mayans believe as far as the end of the world is concerned. Seriously they had no satellites or any other technological equipment. All they could do is stare at the sky and just predict something (and it just happens to be on a date with similar digits (12-12-2012))

 

[dbz22]

why 12-12-2012 huh mayans?

 

[teeman92]

hmm my science teacher said that the world would end in ten years by an texas sized meterriod crashing the earth with devastating result, or..jesus is comming back,

 

[commonyoshi]

You misunderstood me. I wanted to call 'fake' the vision people had of heaven and hell during NDE, because these mere hallucinations are provoked by a drug. I don't call impossible the existence of an after-life if such exists, but when people recall seeing tunnels and the like, I don't buy it.

You cant be sure that what they saw wasn't the real deal. God could very well have put this "NDE" drug into human beings as a way of calling out to people when they need Him the most at near-death experiences. When you almost die, you tend to re-examine your life, and the drug could be a way of God guiding someone into what path He wants someone to take. Who knows? Just dont write the possiblity off completely.

Honestly, I dont think they saw the real heaven. (assuming it existes) Lazarus from the Bible was medically and biologically dead, was brought back, and there wasn't a mention of him describing the afterlife. I think that'd have been pretty important to include in the Bible if he did see something. >_>

Edit: teeman, I saw that movie!

 

[dbz22]

hmm my science teacher said that the world would end in ten years by an texas sized meterriod crashing the earth with devastating result, or..jesus is comming back,

that metoer is going to miss or get blown up. jesus will kill the bad beware!!!

 

[cF=)]

You cant be sure that what they saw wasn't the real deal. God could very well have put this "NDE" drug into human beings as a way of calling out to people when they need Him the most at near-death experiences.

The same molecule is easily extracted from many plants and will give anybody consuming it the same effects recalled by people having NDE. This is a natural occurance, no godly properties are giving to DPH nor is it specific to human beings.

Yea no one except god can predict the fate of the world and some those mayans are PEOPLE not god.

Yes that was a rumor to but did it come true?!?!?!? nope point taken

why 12-12-2012 huh mayans?

that metoer is going to miss or get blown up. jesus will kill the bad beware!!!

Bloody hell, this is getting ridiculous... since when do Christians have a bible instead of a brain ?

Here's a cool picture:

 

[fluffy]

this thread just made me sad : (

too bad i can't forget things like this

 

[WaterTails]

Brawl will be released and everyone just dies from epic nerdgasms.

 

[Tryptomine]

Bloody hell, this is getting ridiculous... since when do Christians have a bible instead of a brain ?

Well, considering science is essentially just a fancy term for organized critical thinking, and many religious zealots deny or are derisive to critical thinking, it really makes a lot of sense when you think about it (which again would explain why they're so oblivious to their own idiocy).

 

[RMR]

SOme random Racist woman Says that Global Warming Doesnt exists and that USA is like heaven so we must belive her because she proclams herself as Christian and everybody knows that religion has always been right. (Sorry for going without periods and commas)

www.shelleytherepublican.com

Wow, I have never seen such crap being all-together

 

[axemangx]

Actually, the sun will crash into the earth eventually. It moves closer and closer every few ten years or so.

We have about a few malenneiums left I guess.


Also, God decides.

So dont try anything funny.

 

[DonkeyPirate]

I KNOW WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN ON DECEMBER 21st, 2012

Content Edit

 

[axemangx]

For all we know, that 6/6/6 bs could mean 6/6/66 for all we care.

 

[Zink]

You cant be sure that what they saw wasn't the real deal. God could very well have put this "NDE" drug into human beings as a way of calling out to people when they need Him the most at near-death experiences. When you almost die, you tend to re-examine your life, and the drug could be a way of God guiding someone into what path He wants someone to take. Who knows? Just dont write the possiblity off completely.

Honestly, I dont think they saw the real heaven. (assuming it existes) Lazarus from the Bible was medically and biologically dead, was brought back, and there wasn't a mention of him describing the afterlife. I think that'd have been pretty important to include in the Bible if he did see something. >_>

Edit: teeman, I saw that movie!

how could he see the afterlife? Jesus hadn't died yet :silly:
also, yeah, cf, generalizations based on a single 13 year old kid are fine right?

 

[Tryptomine]

how could he see the afterlife? Jesus hadn't died yet :silly:

Because Judaism didn't exist or anything.

 

[Zink]

Because Judaism didn't exist or anything.

Judaism doesn't have much of an afterlife, that's why people in the Old Testament were so obsessed with having children- that was seen as a way to live on, as it were.

 

[shadenexus18]

Honestly, I dont think they saw the real heaven. (assuming it existes) Lazarus from the Bible was medically and biologically dead, was brought back, and there wasn't a mention of him describing the afterlife. I think that'd have been pretty important to include in the Bible if he did see something. >_>

Edit: teeman, I saw that movie!

Perhaps Lazarus did see the afterlife, but no one recorded his talk about it. Who is to say. And I believe that's why the Bible is mainly about the Old Testament which speaks of The Messiah coming to Earth numerous times through prophecies. And then the New Testament says, yes finally, the Messiah is here...for roughly 30 yrs to carry out a mission to die for our sins. And then everything after that is basically Paul speaking to various people. Alot of people. Everything else is just in between.

 

[maxieman]

on that day super smash bros. will introduce chuck norris as a playable character

 

[cF=)]

how could he see the afterlife? Jesus hadn't died yet :silly:
also, yeah, cf, generalizations based on a single 13 year old kid are fine right?

In my sincere opinion, completely legit

Shadenexus, if you wholeheartedly believe everything in the old testament is right, mind if I ask you a question about Noah's Ark ? I'll take your answer as a yes and here's the question: During the big flood, was Earth submerged by salty or fresh water ?

 

[shadenexus18]

In my sincere opinion, completely legit

Shadenexus, if you wholeheartedly believe everything in the old testament is right, mind if I ask you a question about Noah's Ark ? I'll take your answer as a yes and here's the question: During the big flood, was Earth submerged by salty or fresh water ?

*sniff sniff* I smell a trap.....

Still, I'm game. Lets see, salty or fresh water eh, hmmm the bible doesn't say because I believe this isn't exactly important or relevant in any way. And c'mon, it was written many many years ago.

Lets see, I'll say saltwater anyways.

 

[cF=)]

*sniff sniff* I smell a trap.....

Still, I'm game. Lets see, salty or fresh water eh, hmmm the bible doesn't say because I believe this isn't exactly important or relevant in any way.

Not important ? Choosing either sides result in an additional crazy amount of animals you need to carry in your boat, plus, they need to be in aquariums. Fresh water would mean you need to carry WHALES, while salty water would require Noah's to build specific vivarium for every animals living 'in' or on the coast of a fresh water spot. Even if his boat was huge (because we don't know, maybe Noah had lots of free time), it would be impossible afterward to re-insert the fish and mammals he carried into their specific habitat.

See how ludicrous it can get ? And creationists still agree everything written in the bible is true and debate, every day, with evolutionists about this issue. Do you believe in creationism Shade ?

 

[Crimson King]

Not important ? Choosing either sides result in an additional crazy amount of animals you need to carry in your boat, plus, they need to be in aquariums. Fresh water would mean you need to carry WHALES, while salty water would require Noah's to build specific vivarium for every animals living 'in' or on the coast of a fresh water spot. Even if his boat was huge (because we don't know, maybe Noah had lots of free time), it would be impossible afterward to re-insert the fish and mammals he carried into their specific habitat.

See how ludicrous it can get ? And creationists still agree everything written in the bible is true and debate, every day, with evolutionists about this issue. Do you believe in creationism Shade ?

Would it have had to have been Freshwater since it was a flood by rain. The story never said a lake, river, ocean overflowed from it. Just a guess, but nicely played.

You managed to ignore the obvious incest angle that would have come from this as well.

Another thing that bothers me: Cain. Cain killed Abel, Adam and Eve's only noted children. Then Cain stumbles to a town. How did it get there? That also means that we are no all decedents of Adam and Eve, and even if we were at some point, they were killed in this flood, leaving only Noah's family left. Again, Incest.

 

[Zink]

Would it have had to have been Freshwater since it was a flood by rain. The story never said a lake, river, ocean overflowed from it. Just a guess, but nicely played.

You managed to ignore the obvious incest angle that would have come from this as well.

Another thing that bothers me: Cain. Cain killed Abel, Adam and Eve's only noted children. Then Cain stumbles to a town. How did it get there? That also means that we are no all decedents of Adam and Eve, and even if we were at some point, they were killed in this flood, leaving only Noah's family left. Again, Incest.

this is why fundies kinda fail. If you take everything literally, it doesn't work, and you even obstruct the ultimate meaning, anyway. Like, the important part of the Noah story is not the flood, but the covenant (whoa Halo vibes). And the Adam and Eve stories are metaphorical. They're meant to introduce the idea of original sin and show the concept of free will, not provide a geneaolgy of early man or whatever.

 

[Tryptomine]

Would it have had to have been Freshwater since it was a flood by rain. The story never said a lake, river, ocean overflowed from it. Just a guess, but nicely played.

Lets see here...

(from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresh_water)
Water salinity based on dissolved salts in parts per thousand (ppt)
Fresh water
< 0.5

Brackish water
0.5-35

Saline water
35-50

Brine
> 50

It was rainwater, so that is fresh, but the Bible clearly states that the flood covered even the highest mountains. Therefore, it would have overflowed everything, mixing with seawater. Taking into account the sheer volume of water required to cover Mount Everest and the average salinity of seawater, the flood would most likely be classified as Fresh Water, or at worst slightly Brackish Water.

Of course, the next question is where the hell all the water went afterwards.

 

[Tryptomine]

this is why fundies kinda fail. If you take everything literally, it doesn't work, and you even obstruct the ultimate meaning, anyway. Like, the important part of the Noah story is not the flood, but the covenant (whoa Halo vibes). And the Adam and Eve stories are metaphorical. They're meant to introduce the idea of original sin and show the concept of free will, not provide a geneaolgy of early man or whatever.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way. You can't pick and choose here, arbtrarily pointing out what is literal and what isn't to force it to fit. If you want to try and do that you have to be prepared to admit the entire thing is metaphorical, with the possibility of no real truth about Jesus's divinity, God's existance and intervention, and other such important details.

EDIT: D'oh, meant to edit this into previous post, so not to double post. But forgot about it while I was busy typing.

 

[Haruno Kotetsu]

Im not trying to bring religion into a discussion, but the Mayan civilization is a dead religion. You dont see them running around anymore, and they were false prophets.

No one knows the End of the world, no one ever will. Its not something you can be like, "LOL WORLDS GOING TO END 6/6/06!!" That year happens every 100 years. 1906 is 6/6/06. See? Exactly. Why would it suddenly end.. On this hundred and sixth year all of the sudden..? Ill get back to this later.

 

[Zook]

For all we know, that 6/6/6 bs could mean 6/6/66 for all we care.

That's 4 sixes.

To the extent of my knowlage, I'm pretty sure that the Aztecs (Mayans?) didn't predict that the earth ended on the day, but their calander did.