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i think just because the series is popular doesn't mean we have to throw in as many reps as we can. the zelda series could make do with 3, while the mario series clearly needs more room. also, at this stage how is it clear that ridley and DS are not competing for a spot? we don't know for sure if zero suit is all sakurai plans to do to expand on the current metroid lineup. it'd be very disappointing, but we can't rule it out.
its difficult to compare to the kirby franchise, mainly because sakurai is bound to be biased towards his own games. additionaly, i haven't played the kirby games so i can't comment on whether or not there are any other viable choices for kirby spots.
right. so your saying im a gay troll. thanks for that homophobic opinion.
um, yea.... it is. explain how 2 or 3 is not greater than 1 please.
Unless you stick a Space Pirate or Metroid in there, you really don't have any other reoccurring characters of any importance (some of the creatures are in multiple games but with different names or looks, or are just unimportant in general). Dark Samus is technially the main villain in the entire Metroid Prime series, while Ridley only acts as a normal boss fight. That does not necessarily demean his importance, but it shows that Dark Samus is more important to the specific three games than he is, although not to the franchise.
For right now, he has hardly reped the series better considering the much larger cast of playable characters expected. Even with just Samus anda transformation character who cannot be used in general play since you need an item first, that is still not much representation at all. Throwing in the banned dragon would be better than nothing, but it is deserving of three character slots. Basically, it's more... but when compared relatively, not much more at all.
Having 5 Reps going down to 3, is very idiotic. It'd go from 5-6. I mean, Melee was rushed, and we STILL got 5. Your arguements are REALLY getting inane.
That's why he has SOOO many characters in the Kirby series. Right?
No, no, thank YOU for pinning the blame on me and purposefully misunderstanding what I meant. Trolling is gay. Not the trolls. They in particular are annoying.
Explain to me how one more rep (Ridley) is a much more vast representation than 2.
Ones a transformation, so we got 2 characters and a rep... oh wow that is so much better than having 4 characters, after all metroid HAS becomed more popular recently, but I bet one more character and a transformation only activated by an item is A-ok![/sarcasm]
first off, i never said that zelda reps would go down, i just said that 3 would be more than enough to represent what the series is about.
not really sure what you were trying to say with this...
im sorry to have taken up your valuable time, but if you convince me of how great Dark SAmus is, then she'll have an extra fan! no, i like dark samus, i just don't like the idea of her in brawl for some reason.
where did he say "more vast"? thats you reading into that what you want to see. he said he wanted to give it better representation. at this point, whether you want to believe it or not, he HAS given the metroid series better rep, with zero suit. what you're arguing is how much more rep he was going to give, but he never specified so its impossible to say. i cant say he won't put both ridley and dark samus in, you cant say he will definitely put both in to any degree of certainty.
again, you're arguing semantics. we don't know whether or not "better representation" to sakurai is simply a transformation for samus, or another 5 characters so the series can be on par with mario and zelda. neither of us is right or wrong at this point, its just about how we interpret sakurai's words.
thats a fair point. i guess i might be a little more inclined to support dark samus if ridley was confirmed. however as i've said before i don't think 2 reps for the metroid franchise would be unrepresentative of the series as a whole. especially since the prime series is less highly regarded in japan. even though, as wu tang gang pointed out earlier, ridley has only been a boss in the prime series while DS has been the primary antagonist, i've still felt more exhilarated in the samus v ridley fights.
No one said EVERY series that only had one rep before. Metroid is far more popular internationally than Game and Watch was though, or Mother, or Yoshi (who basically has a Mario spinoff series anyway). DK has been given two full reps, and people are expecting a third one even though there is a lot of doubt as well.
A transformation after a FS is hardly a whole new character. I mean, there is no way to start a match with her and you just have to hope for a Smash Ball just to use her, as far as we know. Unless that changes, I won't call Zamus a whole rep since she is literally unusable with items turned off, or if you don't get a Smash Ball while they are on. At least you could start a match with Sheik, regardless of items.
as a character in the prime games, i love DS. as a PC in brawl, im not so sure. for starters i prefer ridley, so its only natural that im gonna butt heads with you guys a bit. furthermore, i think that its a bit eager to assume that sakurai saying metroid is going to get more representation means tat he's going to put 2-3 more character in (depending on whether you consider a transformation a new character or not). but mainly, i just don't think she represents the franchise as a whole enough to be justified a place in brawl. i'm sure there are other examples of characters that don't do this that someone will probably use as a rebuttal to what i've just said, but metroid for me has been about samus and the space pirates (and ridley and mother brain).
I think the majority of the people here know that Ridley is the better candidate (it's even mentioned in the first post). The difference in opinion is just how much representation the franchise will get.
Exactly what he said
You don't have to butt heads with us. I support Ridley as much as anyone here, but there's nothing wrong with wanting both in the game, or putting both in the game.
i thought i made that point..... oh well....
I assume you mean *Dark* Samus.
..Umm I don't see what that's trying to prove.
....The Paper Mario Series sold so well because of you giving me on spoiler on Super Paper Mario..There's a thing called the spoiler tags y'know! Oh, and how can a series sell well because of a character that appeared in the latest,(not reoccurring -like Dark Samus/Metroid Prime-) and greatest game?
..This is completely ruled out for the fact that you have an obvious bias for Dark Samus being in Brawl. Oh, and stop putting words in my mouth. I'm not the Phoenix Wright Objection Maker.
That pretty much said it. You only don' want her because of an opinion. How could you NOT like her? She's the commander of
"What I want to see"? It's like thesaurizing what he said. More vast representation=Much more representation.
1st We all support Ridley, some more than you'd think, so it really should just be a peaceful discussion.
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im trying to prove that a series, no matter how popular doesn't necessarily need as many reps as possible to accurately represent it.
im not putting words in your mouth. you said that it wasn't like meta knight and dedede were competing, therefore you were assuming that a 1 rep series previously could become a 3 rep series no problems.
um, and you want her in because of your opinion.
and as i've said i do like her... please read my entire posts.do you read what i type? i said that he DIDN'T say "more vast" he simply said "more". and as chaos blade has already pointed out, interpreting that statement is the crux of this argument. additionally, i never said DS should be a costume. i've been saying not in the game, not a costume. its really difficult arguing with someone who isn't listening.
for starters, i am the one who brought up the argument that he never specified anything. secondly, more characters = more money? maybe, but that character spot could go to NiGHTS for instance, so perhaps more franchises = more money.
Ouch, way to make her sound like a completely useless, terrible character. At least that is how it sounded. But meh, yeah, she isn't a alt, and has a lot more potential than what she could fill as AT... then again so did Lyn.
Don't forget adult Link, too. While I understand the vast relative importance of the Zelda franchise, adult Link has only appeared in two games: Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess. Even still, he is chosen as the primary rep. of the Zelda universe.
The revival of the Metroid series' TEN YEAR HIATUS has a low chance for Brawl. Please elaborate.This thread fails
lol, jk
but seriously, I dont think Dark Samus's chances are high... at all... ever...
Hm..How 'bout just an alt costume for Ike rather than Roy taking a spot on the roster.(notice the complete irony and no question mark?
How about you come up with an idea that is:
Well Ridley is a Space Pirate when you're talking about the organization. But he's obviously a different species. I don't think 'Space Pirate' is a species, and there are bound to be some of those creatures outside of that society.
adult link was also in Zelda 2, A Link to the Past, and Link's Awakening. don't downplay the man just cause he's only been in 3D twice.
Link to the Past he's an adult?? You sure about that?
What's with your name...? It reminds me of a captain falcon avatar.Link to the Past he's an adult?? You sure about that?
i am. the official artwork, tv show, and comic book back me up.Link to the Past he's an adult?? You sure about that?
How about luigi be a mario alt? how about roy be an alt for marth?
But its link, who represents the series...
why ain't they high? cuz u said so? were Ice climbers chances o returning very high?This thread fails
lol, jk
but seriously, I dont think Dark Samus's chances are high... at all... ever...