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D.Gray-Man Mafia-Town Wins!

#HBC | Red Ryu

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How do you feel about order of that though?

Like if we do it tomorrow, assuming a ML on IR, We could go into lylo with an unwanted Indy or other issues. I feel like, if we do go that route, we should do an inactive today over tomorrow.
 

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I've been lurking but idk what to say. Still fine with Gova, will most likely go IR with the way things are going. Their lack of anything speaks louder than words. Cop should choose whoever seems most reasonable to him.
 

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Lol, I thought Gord called Zen a ******. Anyways RR, there are definitely isn't an indie unless it's an abductor otherwise this 12 man wouldn't be balanced. I'm fine with lynching IR or the inactives.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Derp I'm dumb, 13 I can see an indy thought this was, 12 man different story.

Ok guess I'm fine waiting a day then, still gotta wait on IR I suppose.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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A lot of this banks on the IR flip. Conveniently enough, that variable is also the variable my bombshell depends on! Can we just get that first and discuss the rest later?
 

#HBC | Laundry

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You know another thing that bugs me as well, though?

When both IR and Gova were pressured they came up with the response that scumJuly likes to give her mates pro-town points in thread. Like carbon copy same reasoning as one another.

I already explained July's interactions with IR and why they're hella scummy (she says she hates his play but won't board him because they don't look like scumGheb and she doesn't like the people on her wagon). She has done the same thing with Gova on the exact opposite spectrum. She has always sort of labeled him as town but never really pushed as to why she likes him (just saying that he has given enough content to suffice with a slight town read).

I could see that being the scumteam's goal. Telling others how scumJuly refers to her scumbuddies just to have her purposefully classify them as something else.

I pretty much talk about why IR is clearing Gord more than incriminating him above and if you want some further info on why Gova is gross (more than what you've already stated), read the interaction we had on page 20.
Reading back through the thread ISOing July is funny because she literally starts off the game saying IR's play hasn't been great and then goes on to flat out ignore any of the bad posts he makes following her. She always finds away to comment on something else related to Asdioh or Laundry but never addresses anything IR does regardless of how bad it looks.
Put these in perspective when making the Laundry-July connection. There's a huge contrast between what she did with Asdioh and I and what she did with IR and Gova.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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Actually, changed my mind.

IR/TPK/WL

^

One of them is scum, if IR flips scum, WL, we're gonna have a nice chat.
Was too pissed off at the time, but let's talk about you having a scum read on a guy who made one post in the thread and his replacement, at that point, had all of two. All three consisted of the same message: "I'll catch up."

Why
 

#HBC | Laundry

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ALRIGHT.

As it stands, IR, Gova, and Gorf are my remaining scumpicks. Zen is an absolute non-****ing-factor this game so I can't even read him (and am perfectly fine with someone vigging him if there somehow is one in this game, though I doubt it at this point). GLG, on the other hand, reads town. Kuz convinced me of that through the limited number of posts he could use to convey town vibes. There were some incredibly obvious tells that really revealed innocence.

However, I have a bombshell.

If IR flips scum, we can just lynch Gova tomorrow and be done with it because if that somehow doesn't end the game, I'll piss myself. Pics will be included.

If IR flips town, which I have a continually creeping suspicion that things here are not as they seem (I never ruled out Asidoh vs. IR as TvT), then Gorf hops onto my scum list. This is why:


Ghebhead here. I had quite some time to reread the thread during the longer Night phase.

I found Gordito to be the most suspicious player, other than my already existing suspicions against Asdioh. Incidentally, a July scum flip wouldn't really do anything about my reads to show that they're off so I feel like this is a very good course to take. I'm confident in my abilities to read players and neither Asdioh nor Gordito play in fashion that resembles their town play - in the same hand I don't see too much pro-town coming from their play. I also find it quite baffling how Gordito is trying to paint a connection between this playerslot and July:



First of all, I didn't say anything about July because I didn't post more than on two occasions yesterDay. And even if that was the case your argument makes very little sense. Taking a "firm" stance sounds nice but adds really little to the connection between you two - and if there's one thing I've learned from being scumbuddies with her in Pizza it's that she likes to give her buddies pro-town credit, something she has been doing to you constantly. A "firm" stance is easily taken - fake or not - especially when you're scum and already know who's trustworthy or not. In the face of these facts your points hold little weight.

However, upon rereading it became obvious to me that you were rather quick to join the AA wagon for shallow reasons despite you having him mentioned as a not-scum read more than once. You got a good explanation on that? Because right now you seemed to be more scared of a July scumflip and eager to make me the blame puppet in that scenario. It's already not a pro-town action to push a knee-jerk lynch upon a correct lynch on the previous Day. Why'd you make it so obvious is beyond me.

July is lynched toDay for sure. After that I'd consider Asdioh and Gorf our best lynches.

And you know that this is exactly what discredits Gorf's "case" on our playserslot so much? I highly suspect that you don't even understand the implications of his actions / posts. The problem is not that his interactions with July are what make him scummy - the problem is that he can't use that argument on us and in the same hand expect them to not apply to himself as well. If he says our interactions with July make us scum, then he's literally saying exactly the same thing about himself so I don't see why you'd earnestly agree with him there. He's essentially been doing X yesterDay and now he accuses *us* of being scum because we did X.

But I'm not saing he's scum because of that. It's his irrational flip onto AA that makes a lot less sense and that he's been constantly trying to marginalize and act as if our case on him was based on meta and his interactions with July. But meta is only a smaller part of our issues with him and his interactions with July are only problematic because he acts as if it was a scumtell in our case but it's supposed to be a null-tell in his case. It's a null-tell in *both* cases though.
In both of these posts, IR is essentially putting unnecessary suspicion onto Gorf. At this point in the game, when IR is on the chopping block and July just got lynched, there is no way way IR would be bussing the remaining scumbuddy or intentionally throwing suspicion onto him. It'd be dumb as **** to do that and both Gheb and JTB are not that dumb. If IR flips scum, I will not question Gorf's alignment at all for the rest of the game.
 

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Gord I don't think I've ever seen you so sure of your reads o_o
He's at L-2 right now right? So I should wait to vote?
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Bro IR's been scum D1 and if I don't drill the point that he absolutely needs to be the play toDay people like Soup are going to come in here and suggest a lynch of some other player for god knows what worse reasoning than reason to lynch IR. Pretty sure he's at L-3 but I'll get a votecount up and ready for ya Asdioh just cuz I like ya ^_^.
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Gordito- (1) Red Ruy
Zen-
Red Ryu-
GLG-
Asdioh-
soup-
laundry-
Gova- (2) Asdioh, Laundry
Inglorious ******* (JTB/Gheb)- (1) Gord

Been the same since DH's count if I didn't miss any. So L-3. Assuming Zen moves his vote that's L-2. But there's totes room on this wagon for you Asdioh.
 

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unvote
Vote: inglorious *******


uuuuuuy7

there was some crap on my keyboard i was trying to get off
 

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btw gord
asianaussie (0)
Gord (1)-RR
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Asdioh (0) -
soup (0) -
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Gova (2)-Asdioh, WL
Inglorious ******* (JTB/Gheb)(2)- Gord, Soup
did Soup unvote? because yeah
 

#HBC | Gorf

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Welp. I dunno if I dun goofed. Doesn't matter really, he can confirm whether he did or didn't cuz at the most ******'s at L-2.
 

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yeah with 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch, if Soup's still voting he's at L-2 right now.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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Yeh, IR is the play today, regardless. The only inactive that's completely a non-factor is Zen and we have enough time and ways to remove him. Don't know why people are trying to divert from it today but it's two of my strongest town reads so the dude can abide.
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Bombshell makes a lot of sense. I'll unvote when I get bacl but yeah I'm going with the IR push over Gord. Gord is on my watch list still unless IR flips scum.

Guess I gotta wait on this one.

:phone:
 

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Database errors yesterday and 502's today made rereading a pain. I'm not finished yet but I'm definitely not the play. I can claim if needed be even though I think we're better off lynching glg/Zen or Gorf. Not sure where the Gova suspicions are coming from.

:059:
 

#HBC | Red Ryu

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Database errors yesterday and 502's today made rereading a pain. I'm not finished yet but I'm definitely not the play. I can claim if needed be even though I think we're better off lynching glg/Zen or Gorf. Not sure where the Gova suspicions are coming from.

:059:
I'd like a claim.

Everyone else down?
 

#HBC | Laundry

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Database errors yesterday and 502's today made rereading a pain. I'm not finished yet but I'm definitely not the play. I can claim if needed be even though I think we're better off lynching glg/Zen or Gorf. Not sure where the Gova suspicions are coming from.

:059:
Fight me on it. I've got enough from the paper trail to do it and will even post that case if I have to.
 

#HBC | Laundry

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I'd been saying Gorf is scum all day. I'm pretty sure changing that to "Gorfscum only if IRtown" is kind of a bombshell.

And, no, Zen, I'm not. Your recent posts have all been "Gorf, what should I do?" and then doing what he tells you.

So, for clarity's sake,
 
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