D.Gray-Man Mafia-Town Wins!

[#HBC | Gorf]

It's pre' fun ain't it?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Washed Laundry’s main reason that he’s getting mad at Soup is revolving around the fact that he doesn’t think Soup is looking around the connections made with July to incriminate him. Correct? Well… yea. Unless I’m reading http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13023294&postcount=915 wrong of course. So there’s an obvious stance on the matter.

As far as everybody remembers, Laundry had a town read on me throughout all of D1. Yes, ever since the beginning, and for good reasoning too. Cuz lol I’m town. There wasn’t a damn thing that changed it either. Sure, he alluded to how my buddying of him was weird, but that’s nothing. Cuz he still called me town (hell, I can say that was a scummy way to give himself leeway on his stance on me for future reference, but let’s not even go there). D1’s over, biggity bang boom.

Red Ruy makes his 580, which is him claiming his cop guilty on July. Oof, I didn’t see that one coming. So it looks like the obvious lynch candidate is July. Cool, looks like we can take some time into the Day to find things out. EBR comes in and says that I’m a prime candidate based off of my connections with July. But you know who else says it? http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12968663&postcount=591. Laundry. ESPECIALLY after his latest two stances on me were http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12934482&postcount=486, where he calls me town, and http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12934587&postcount=491, where he’s basically saying I can go either way but ehh town. Haha BULLSHIZ. If town Laundry can think I’m scum solely off of a July cop guilty then he’s got to get his head out of his ***. He had ZERO intention of agreeing with EBR and Soup when they were tooting their scumJuly horn. So if I was as town as he made it out to be, and she was as not scum as he made her out to be, then how is it that he can incriminate me for scumJuly = scumGord? A town Laundry shouldn’t. A town Laundry should be able to take into account that I had a misread, just like him. But where I was more confident about my misread, he’d beat around the bush.

By the way, scumLaundry and scumRetard could totally make sense, but we're gonna cross that bridge when we get there.

 

[Gova]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13022816&postcount=904

scumslip? You called her your scumbuddy

Don't see how he called her his scumbuddy.

First one that comes to mind is he thought I was scum... which he hasn't said anything about toDay, either before or after cop clear. Don't you think a townie that thought SO STRONGLY (see: D1 voting history, or lack thereof) somebody was scum, and has barely focused on anyone else, would bring up the possibility of a godfather or something? Instead, he just assumed I was clear and didn't bother mentioning me at all.

You do realize you're doing the same thing T-Block did to me in Pizza Mafia right? Instead of "He didn't shoot me so he must be scum!" although we can change that to "He doesn't think I'm godfather because I have a cop clear on me so he must be scum!" Unless you care to admit that you're the godfather don't expect me to be pushing your lynch.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Washed Laundry’s main reason that he’s getting mad at Soup is revolving around the fact that he doesn’t think Soup is looking around the connections made with July to incriminate him. Correct? Well… yea. Unless I’m reading http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13023294&postcount=915 wrong of course. So there’s an obvious stance on the matter.

He's saying your not basing it on his play, only that it links with July, which is the same for you.

As far as everybody remembers, Laundry had a town read on me throughout all of D1. Yes, ever since the beginning, and for good reasoning too. Cuz lol I’m town. There wasn’t a damn thing that changed it either. Sure, he alluded to how my buddying of him was weird, but that’s nothing. Cuz he still called me town (hell, I can say that was a scummy way to give himself leeway on his stance on me for future reference, but let’s not even go there). D1’s over, biggity bang boom.

Did he? Things can change over the course of flips and such, a guilty on July changed a lot of reads on people. Reads don't stay in stone, they change over the course of the game based on events.

Heck Asdioh was on my scum list til I got a not guilty on him.

Also got quotes for these moments?

Red Ruy makes his 580, which is him claiming his cop guilty on July. Oof, I didn’t see that one coming. So it looks like the obvious lynch candidate is July. Cool, looks like we can take some time into the Day to find things out. EBR comes in and says that I’m a prime candidate based off of my connections with July. But you know who else says it? http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12968663&postcount=591. Laundry. ESPECIALLY after his latest two stances on me were http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12934482&postcount=486, where he calls me town, and http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12934587&postcount=491, where he’s basically saying I can go either way but ehh town. Haha BULLSHIZ. If town Laundry can think I’m scum solely off of a July cop guilty then he’s got to get his head out of his ***.

I don't think it's weird at all, especially since players have noted July is hard to read as is. Again reads change, just because he agrees with you as a likely scum pick doesn't incriminate him. I mean if I got a guilty on EBR that would sure as heck change reads on him even if he was as town as he has been.

Hey he wrote you off as town, then July reveals himself as scum and that changes with your connection with July, I do not like how you are playing it off either. Most of these are also D1, which only shows me he changed reads on you with what looks like logical progression.

That's not scummy.

He had ZERO intention of agreeing with EBR and Soup when they were tooting their scumJuly horn. So if I was as town as he made it out to be, and she was as not scum as he made her out to be, then how is it that he can incriminate me for scumJuly = scumGord? A town Laundry shouldn’t. A town Laundry should be able to take into account that I had a misread, just like him. But where I was more confident about my misread, he’d beat around the bush.

When did he have zero intention? Maybe he does have a connection but at the same time your blowing off the accusations on you.

He may be taking a misread into account, but what of the opposite, to me I find it far more likely for you to be scum than him based on pure play.

By the way, scumLaundry and scumRetard could totally make sense, but we're gonna cross that bridge when we get there.

Say what?

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Ruy, you're dense.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

You and Soup are denser.

Still holding that bombshell. We'll get to it tomorrow, providing I'm not dead.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Good question.

EBR took the game and flipped it upside down, gave a re-read on gord and said "nope, don't see him as scum" so i kinda discarded my own thoughts about it, and was like "well maybe he isn't seeing what i'm seeing" and then afterwards July got lynched and flipped scum and here we are @_@

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

This isn't normal for me? Particularly being indecisive (see: claimed guilty on TDW + his unusual reaction to the guilty in Bingo mafia) .. and posting pictures

This makes more sense.

This is cool and all, and I agree with parts of it, but you do realize you're looking at it just from the perspective of July's stances, and not WL's, right? I know you're better than this. Sure, she may or may not have reacted a certain way with her scummates, but how can you know which interactions are fake and which aren't? You need to look at WL's stances faaaaar more importantly than hers.

Then WL says pretty much the same thing:
There you go, the perfect defense.

It's pretty funny though, how everyone seems to be assuming IR is scum without a guilty or a flip. Do most of you think IR (and Gova) are scum from mostly connections with July or is it because of their actual play? For me, it's mostly the latter.

Why did it take you getting cop-cleared to make you actually worthwhile? Is it because you spent most of D1 with no actual reads?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

and for that, i apologize to WL for being an idiot.

I take back my previous insulting reaction gif. Make-up sex later?

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Dunno, Asdioh, i just don't see it, Gova hasn't done much this game, and i don't think he has commented on flips or anything, he's kinda been a wandering presence.

Trust me, I don't think anyone saw it except EBR until rereads happened. I'll get the case up in a little bit.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I take back my previous insulting reaction gif. Make-up sex later?

Meet me in kuz's backy- i mean my backyard and we'll talk.

Anyways, re-reading, gonna do stuff because i'm bored, prepare your anus for what will probably be the greatest moment of your life.

soup actually doing something of merit.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

As far as everybody remembers, Laundry had a town read on me throughout all of D1. Yes, ever since the beginning, and for good reasoning too. Cuz lol I’m town. There wasn’t a damn thing that changed it either. Sure, he alluded to how my buddying of him was weird, but that’s nothing. Cuz he still called me town (hell, I can say that was a scummy way to give himself leeway on his stance on me for future reference, but let’s not even go there). D1’s over, biggity bang boom.

Man, rereads are a funny thing. With new information coming out as the game progresses, new lights are cast on posts that allow me to read things with a different perspective.

Don't be stupid, stop assuming things. I'm obviously not changing things on a whim. That bombshell's gonna come down tomorrow.

Red Ruy makes his 580, which is him claiming his cop guilty on July. Oof, I didn’t see that one coming. So it looks like the obvious lynch candidate is July. Cool, looks like we can take some time into the Day to find things out. EBR comes in and says that I’m a prime candidate based off of my connections with July. But you know who else says it? http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12968663&postcount=591. Laundry. ESPECIALLY after his latest two stances on me were http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12934482&postcount=486, where he calls me town, and http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12934587&postcount=491, where he’s basically saying I can go either way but ehh town. Haha BULLSHIZ. If town Laundry can think I’m scum solely off of a July cop guilty then he’s got to get his head out of his ***.

Again, bombshell coming tomorrow.

He had ZERO intention of agreeing with EBR and Soup when they were tooting their scumJuly horn.

Yo Gorf, I'm happy for you, and I'mma let you finish, but answer my gogdamn question.

Gorf, did you read July as town?

So if I was as town as he made it out to be, and she was as not scum as he made her out to be, then how is it that he can incriminate me for scumJuly = scumGord? A town Laundry shouldn’t. A town Laundry should be able to take into account that I had a misread, just like him. But where I was more confident about my misread, he’d beat around the bush.

It's funny we just had a lynch like this early this gogdamn game and it was an ML.

Regardless, I waffled. EBR kept saying you were scum. I glanced at some precursory things around the AA wagon and got a slight negative feeling. You looked a lot like July. It may be mechanical scumhunting, which is why I'm not that sure of it and why I waffled on it. But I started to question my read on you.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: gogdammit image fail because of CENSORS

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Meet me in kuz's backy- i mean my backyard and we'll talk.

Anyways, re-reading, gonna do stuff because i'm bored, prepare your anus for what will probably be the greatest moment of your life.

soup actually doing something of merit.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

So i'm re-reading.

I really think the inactives hold a scum more then the people who are here right now, and to be honest i would like to get them off the chopping block.

Anyways, IR is still scummy as ****, my re-read just makes me hate him more, his reasoning for relying on meta with bardull or using it as an easy pass, Gheb's babysitting of JTB when he screws up, his reaction towards the whole AA scuffle, which kuz highlighted, and also what happened during the July guilty, it's just ****ing scummy and i want him dead right now.

anyways, still re-reading, did zen replace GLG? he's scummy in his 267(?).

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

I'm also re-reading gova, alot of his posts contain nothing at all, and quite literally nothing at all, in his 263 all he does is literally say "I don't know."

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

EBWOP: GlG's 257.

I think.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yeah, i'm leaning less on WL and more on Gova and GLG, and whoever his replacement is.

IR is still scum, his flip means fast times in ridgemont high for GLG and Gova.

Gord is still town, his case is based on connections and not individual, but as WL has been saying, that's purely not his fault what july says unless you are looking at it with tunnel vision.

tl;dr?

Town -
WashedLaundry
Gordito
Asdioh
Red Ryu

Scum -
Inglorious *******
Giraffelasergun (or his replacement)
Gova

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

wait wait.

can't be 3 scum if one already flipped.

WELP.

THAT CAN JUST BE MY "MOST LIKELY TO FLIP SCUM CATEGORY."

*embarassment*

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

if IR doesn't happen to flip scum, i'll have to re-think this.

100000000000000000000000% percent sure of it though.

RR, i take back my request to investigate WL, i want you to investigate Gova or GLG, and if you feel the need to do so, Gord.

 

[Gova]

Uh, WL, why can't you drop this "bombshell" toDay?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

My head hurts for some reason, need an ibuprofen before i continue with this, not because of mafia, just in general.

anyways, yeh.

 

[Asdioh]

cool story soup.

WL, Gova makes a good point, even if he is scum.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Ruy, you're dense.

Neither you nor Soup are showing me why he is scum really definitively or how it is worse than my scum read on you.

~

Soup seriously stop posting town lists, those only benefit scum, keep the town lists to yourself please.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Uh, WL, why can't you drop this "bombshell" toDay?

Washed, just post it, unless you need to find something first. No need to hold it off.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Hmm... make a post at 4:30 AM, can't post it now cuz the "token expires"? Gg SWF.

Basically I mapped out a worst case scenario of using ML's. We have AT THE BARE MINIMUM 1 ML that we can use throughout the game, but we really have two. So I have no problem with lynching an inactive toMorrow just to take variables away (but hey Ruy you should totes cop one of Zen/GLG just so we can narrow down which inactive we lynch (anyone that disagrees should tell me a reason why)).

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Who I cop shall remain a mystery.

I don't think we have 1 ML imo, 2 I thinks but let's avoid the speculation for now.

Hey Zen, wanna talk some more? I'd really like to get to know you better in this game.

 

[Asdioh]

[url]http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr15/obachuka2/ThumbsUp-2.gif[/url][img]

Why did it take you getting cop-cleared to make you actually worthwhile? Is it because you spent most of D1 with no actual reads?[/QUOTE]My play hasn't been different though? My reads are the same, and I did have reads D1: Gova scum, IR scum. AA managed to convince me he was scum near the end of D1. I had a read on you (or lack thereof) which changed once I was satisfied. All I'm doing right now that's making you give me a thumbs up gif is defending you against ******** crap. You're probably not scum, but if you are, we're certainly not going to find it [I]just [/I]by looking at July's opinion of you.

[quote="WashedLaundry, post: 13026935"]Trust me, I don't think [i]anyone[/i] saw it except EBR until rereads happened. I'll get the case up in a little bit.[/QUOTE]Are you saying nobody but EBR thought Gova was scum? Even though I tried to push him D1? ..and got ignored?
Oh well, I'm at least glad EBR has the influence that I somehow lack, and brought it to your attention.

 

[Asdioh]

I wonder if asking for a votecount is too much with DH on a vacation or whatever.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

How would people feel about an inactive lynch if it came to it? I really do not like how inactives Zen and the GLG slot have been.

 

[Asdioh]

idk. Zen is "here" but not really, and the other slot is a likely modkill since we can't seem to find a replacement. It would be fine with me though, like when I suggested an inactive lynch in Mindgamed <3

good luck convincing people like Gord to lynch anyone other than IR though

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Yea we're totes lynching IR just saying.

The point of me saying that I'm fine with lynching inactives toMorrow is BECAUSE we're lynching ****** toDay, and it'll give us room with the assumed 3 man scum team (there should be no indy considering the fact that it's a 12 man game, but that's simply speculation :/)

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

Uh, WL, why can't you drop this "bombshell" toDay?

There's a variable.

 

[Xivii]

Well I can claim if you want O_O

I will get some content eventually.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

If zen replaced the bardull slot I'm fine with him, hell, even the tpk slot.

 

[Gova]

GLG replaced Bardull, Zen replaced TPK.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

There's a variable.

Ok I'll leave it here.

Well I can claim if you want O_O

I will get some content eventually.

Don't claim just post content, please.

 

[Asdioh]

Letting you guys know that Gheb is gone for a tourney and I'll be at a lan party until tomorrow. I already know who I'm going to be looking at, I just don't have the time to make the case right now.

I'm assuming the deadline means next Saturday, not tomorrow at midnight.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Don't pressure him to post Asdioh. If he's smart scum he'll just stay lurking (read: Dissidia D2).

 

[Asdioh]

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