D.Gray-Man Mafia-Town Wins!

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Well I'll see what you got here so far, but as it stands I'm siding with lynching July.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

Man I skimmed. I'll reread/vote July after I see a votecount.

Obtw there's way more of a connection between ****** and July than me and July. I took a firm stance and reasoning behind my (obviously wrong, but hey who knows if it's miller/insane (but unlikely if the dude's the main char)) read on July, while the Gheb side said that she's not playing like how she did in Pizza so it's all good.

July's obv our lynch. But upon a scum flip ******'s next.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Yo soup, we still tag teaming this *****? Lesss do et

AFTER I CATCH-UP SEXY </3

reading rainbows

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Really? REALLY? Bull****.

Vote: Red Ryu

I'm Lavi, Vanilla Order Member. Either someone is messing with your read or you are lying, but either way I'm town and that result is bull.

As for WL, I want to know how all of a sudden with aa's town flip Gord and I suddenly look guilty, because clearly him being suspicious was just a figment of 7 people's imagination. He was ****ing scummy and will stand behind that lynch completely.

AND I'm still freaking posting from wherever I can get wifi until at least tomorrow so until then I don't have time to reread the thread and look for reasons RR wants me lynched.



Also I'm a girl, not a big deal but you know adding insult to injury as I try to figure out how in the hell you got a guilty on me ;-;

I don't like this post, not one bit.

It's got alot of uneeded frustration and that sudden turn on WL, i find the turn to be most disturbing quota my bold.

because you instigated the attack full-force, you stood by it and merely directed with gord on aa, and saying all of the sudden looking guilty is another contradiction because hun, you are guilty.

and why the push on WL all of the sudden? explain how WL, not you and gord, are the guilty party instead.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Obtw there's way more of a connection between ****** and July than me and July.

what the **** are you doing

Obtw there's way more of a connection between ****** and July than me and July. I took a firm stance and reasoning behind my (obviously wrong, but hey who knows if it's miller/insane (but unlikely if the dude's the main char)) read on July, while the Gheb side said that she's not playing like how she did in Pizza so it's all good.

all you said about july is

":goodposting:"

that ain't much.

are you really trying to put blame on a head of a hydra because 'gheb' said she's playing differently than pizza?

really?
you serious?

is that your defense?

you die next

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

In my first post after I saw your "guilty" on me I considered both options, and just from pure experience it seems a LOT more likely that a wrongful guilty is the product of lying scum rather than a manipulative or redirective role, in fact I'm not sure I've ever played in a game with a redirective role so from experience I suspected you were scum. But I never crumbed anything or pretended to be a pr Day 1, so I don't see any reason you would want to fake a guilty on me and screw yourself over.

Experience lead me to believe that you were scum, but that doesn't make sense here, at the beginning of D2 and no reason to push for me other than a "guilty" on me. It was fair for me to suspect foul play on your part at first because I know you are wrong, and I also haven't had a very good read on you all game. Also I didn't know the flavor so that didn't mean anything to me, but common sense says you really are the cop. So it has to be a manipulative role, something that redirects or flips the results or something.

Also, is your sanity guaranteed?

blah blah blah blah all up in my ear blah blah blah all i ever hear

you're trying to say his investigation was manipulated and dousing yourself with WIFOM; ****.

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

If you are scum you have no reason to fake a guilty on me, there is no reason for you to fake a guilty on a vt, which means that someone messed with your results.

"If you are scum you have no reason to fake a guilty on me"

Scum's job is to get townies mislynched, and not themselves.

"there is no reason for you to fake a guilty on a vt"

"which means someone messed with your results"

...vote: July

 

[th3kuzinator]

Someone gogdamn unvote I don't want her self hammering and I want to re-read. That puts her at L-1 I think.

 

[th3kuzinator]

jklol that puts her at L-3.

Do whatever.

 

[Gova]

So like I was confused at first because the graver digger basically is a miller but only if they get tracked or watched and so the cop claim didn't make sense to me but then I remembered MRS and it's sorta like that. Also Kuz/Ryker I'd be really interested in this info that confirms WL as scum if you really have it because if you do, what's the point in hiding it and also because you promised me a bombshell or something.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Ghebhead here. I had quite some time to reread the thread during the longer Night phase.

I found Gordito to be the most suspicious player, other than my already existing suspicions against Asdioh. Incidentally, a July scum flip wouldn't really do anything about my reads to show that they're off so I feel like this is a very good course to take. I'm confident in my abilities to read players and neither Asdioh nor Gordito play in fashion that resembles their town play - in the same hand I don't see too much pro-town coming from their play. I also find it quite baffling how Gordito is trying to paint a connection between this playerslot and July:

I took a firm stance and reasoning behind my (obviously wrong, but hey who knows if it's miller/insane (but unlikely if the dude's the main char)) read on July, while the Gheb side said that she's not playing like how she did in Pizza so it's all good.

First of all, I didn't say anything about July because I didn't post more than on two occasions yesterDay. And even if that was the case your argument makes very little sense. Taking a "firm" stance sounds nice but adds really little to the connection between you two - and if there's one thing I've learned from being scumbuddies with her in Pizza it's that she likes to give her buddies pro-town credit, something she has been doing to you constantly. A "firm" stance is easily taken - fake or not - especially when you're scum and already know who's trustworthy or not. In the face of these facts your points hold little weight.

However, upon rereading it became obvious to me that you were rather quick to join the AA wagon for shallow reasons despite you having him mentioned as a not-scum read more than once. You got a good explanation on that? Because right now you seemed to be more scared of a July scumflip and eager to make me the blame puppet in that scenario. It's already not a pro-town action to push a knee-jerk lynch upon a correct lynch on the previous Day. Why'd you make it so obvious is beyond me.

July is lynched toDay for sure. After that I'd consider Asdioh and Gorf our best lynches.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Man I skimmed. I'll reread/vote July after I see a votecount.

Obtw there's way more of a connection between ****** and July than me and July. I took a firm stance and reasoning behind my (obviously wrong, but hey who knows if it's miller/insane (but unlikely if the dude's the main char)) read on July, while the Gheb side said that she's not playing like how she did in Pizza so it's all good.

July's obv our lynch. But upon a scum flip ******'s next.

Compared to IR's response this is very very weak.

I'm not sure how this incriminates IR any more than you.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

It doesn't. Gorf's post this phase is grody as ****.

 

[July]

I don't like this post, not one bit.

It's got alot of uneeded frustration and that sudden turn on WL, i find the turn to be most disturbing quota my bold.

because you instigated the attack full-force, you stood by it and merely directed with gord on aa, and saying all of the sudden looking guilty is another contradiction because hun, you are guilty.

and why the push on WL all of the sudden? explain how WL, not you and gord, are the guilty party instead.

What are you talking about with my "sudden turn" and "push" on WL. I asked WL why suddenly Gord and I were most suspicious people on aa's wagon, when WL hadn't suspected either of us yesterDay but that was the first thing he said. I wasn't inferring he was scum, but I want to know where that read came from all of a sudden, as it came before RR's "guilty" on me.

If you want my opinion on WL instead of twisting my words, please look at my #634 that you seemed to miss:

I lost my connection. I've had a town read on WL since D1, so unless you really have a bombshell then I don't see that read changing.

So there.

And you'd be mad too if you someone had a fake "guilty" on you, it's not particularly a warm and fuzzy feeling.

"If you are scum you have no reason to fake a guilty on me"

Scum's job is to get townies mislynched, and not themselves.

"there is no reason for you to fake a guilty on a vt"

"which means someone messed with your results"

...vote: July

Kk, so explain to me then...why would scum RR decide that on D2, when absolutely no one suspects him, he's going to fake claim cop, fake a guilty on a townie, who was somewhat suspected and would have clearly been easy to push a mislynch on anyways? What part of that would benefit him past toDay?

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

if you flip town, RR is scum.

:logic:

 

[th3kuzinator]

July. Clarify this for me.

Is RR scum fake claiming this on you, or are you being framed by a redirection role?

 

[July]

I'm being framed by a redirection role, I do not doubt that RR is cop and genuinely believes his "guilty" on me, there is no scum motivation that makes sense for him to fake claim this on me.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Why not ?

 

[July]

Because what does he gain by claiming a guilty on me the beginning of D2? The miller flipped yesterDay, so it could be inferred that there was a cop. If he were scum he would make that claim knowing that 1) he would out the real cop, which would be good for scum, and/or 2) He would push through my lynch because of a "guilty" and then upon my flip would have to talk his way out of his own lynch.

Part 1 has scum motivation to it but if he were scum, fake claiming for no reason and possibly getting counter-claimed by the real cop and getting himself lynched would cause him a lot more harm than good. Maybe if they had thought I had soft claimed or crumbed a role elsewhere it would make sense but that's not the case since I'm vt. And Part 2 is pretty self-explanatory.

Red Ryu as cop seems legit, its the "guilty" that's wrong.

 

[July]

Also bbl with home internet finally

 

[Asdioh]

The miller flipped yesterDay, so it could be inferred that there was a cop.

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Grave_Digger

I dunno why people are assuming there is a cop because of a grave digger. Just look at the role, it actually infers that there is a tracker and/or watcher.
However, cop is one of the most popular roles, and I doubt he as scum would fakeclaim it without getting CC'd, or risk getting himself lynched for just one mislynch.

Maybe if they had thought I had soft claimed or crumbed a role elsewhere it would make sense but that's not the case since I'm vt.

I can agree with this part, but...

Red Ryu as cop seems legit, its the "guilty" that's wrong.

Judging by your immediate reactions to the guilty, I doubt it.

 

[th3kuzinator]

Judging by your immediate reactions to the guilty, I doubt it.

Agreed .

 

[#HBC | ѕoup]

Because what does he gain by claiming a guilty on me the beginning of D2? The miller flipped yesterDay, so it could be inferred that there was a cop. If he were scum he would make that claim knowing that 1) he would out the real cop, which would be good for scum, and/or 2) He would push through my lynch because of a "guilty" and then upon my flip would have to talk his way out of his own lynch.

Part 1 has scum motivation to it but if he were scum, fake claiming for no reason and possibly getting counter-claimed by the real cop and getting himself lynched would cause him a lot more harm than good. Maybe if they had thought I had soft claimed or crumbed a role elsewhere it would make sense but that's not the case since I'm vt. And Part 2 is pretty self-explanatory.

Red Ryu as cop seems legit, its the "guilty" that's wrong.

first paragraph: blah blah blah blah.

you sounded very inclined to believe RR was bull****ting, in fact, if i re-call, you're voting him, or have voted him, the fact that you believe that RR is a legit cop but the investigation is wrong states that you are willing to prove that it is wrong by any means necessary, no?

how can/will you do that?

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Gord (0) -
ThePaprikaKiller (0)-
Red Ryu (0)-
July (3)-RR, WL, SOup
Asdioh (0) -
soup (0) -
laundry (1)-EBR
Gova (0)
Erupting Burning RYKERRR!!! (Ryker/Kuz) (0)
Inglorious ******* (JTB/Gheb)(0)
GLG (0)

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

What are you talking about with my "sudden turn" and "push" on WL. I asked WL why suddenly Gord and I were most suspicious people on aa's wagon, when WL hadn't suspected either of us yesterDay but that was the first thing he said. I wasn't inferring he was scum, but I want to know where that read came from all of a sudden, as it came before RR's "guilty" on me.

AA's flip made you and Gorf look much worse.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

EBWOP: Do you want me to elaborate?

 

[Gova]

http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Grave_Digger

I dunno why people are assuming there is a cop because of a grave digger. Just look at the role, it actually infers that there is a tracker and/or watcher.

Do you want a cracker?

@Kuz/Ryker or whoever posted it, can I expect a response/answer to my 650?

 

[July]

@WL: You don't really have to elaborate now on me, if you would like to for Gord go ahead.

I'm tired of addressing things piece by piece. Soup, there's nothing I can do to prove that his results are being screwed with except die, and at this point it's either me or...well me because I'm not going to support a RR lynch nor do I believe that EBR has a "bombshell" on WL.

And you can keep bringing up the fact that I originally voted RR but then you sit there and say that if I flip town RR is scum and blah blah blah but its not that simple, and wrong results make a hell of a lot more sense than RR just framing me for the fun of it.

if you flip town, RR is scum.

:logic:

Just do not follow this and lynch RR toMorrow because you will be lynching the cop just because his results are wrong, and you are not even willing to consider that, but you will need to toMorrow.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

RR would never do this as scum, Soup. Plus, there's absolutely nothing in his play that can suggest scum. July's flip doesn't determine RR's alignment. Simple.

If you guys are gonna say that I'm not lining up with my town meta as an argument, then at least check out my scum meta and see if it lines up. Ha, getting out of self meta by making you guys meta me. Like a bawss. But the point is that the meta argument is totally anulled. So don't use it.

And the only thing that I can say about my "connection" with July, is that I had a misread. Simple. And I trusted said misread.

 

[Asdioh]

So, what are we doing toDay? Is anyone here actually considering lynching anyone besides July? We're most likely going to get a scum flip, and if not, then at worst we'll know that cop results can be messed with. Unless there are two miller variants in this game, which would just be evil.

It doesn't feel like we're getting much done. The only avenues of discussion I see right now that are worthwhile are why WL thinks July/Gord scumteam, and EBR's "bombshell" on WL... and also the case that I think he promised but hasn't done anything about..?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I wanna see more of WL vs EBR about this bombshell, while I won't fish it I do want to see what EBR has to say about it as well as WL.

Since it might impact what I do toNight.

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Hey Soup, we already get that you think July is scum and I think most people already agree with it. Now that you've hammered the point home for the 7th time or so can you please start moving on to something else? You're not going to be any useful if you just quote every snippet of hers and make your comment on how this and that doesn't make sense and implies she's scum. We already *know* it and nobody is arguing against it so will you please comment on other stuff now?

If you guys are gonna say that I'm not lining up with my town meta as an argument, then at least check out my scum meta and see if it lines up. Ha, getting out of self meta by making you guys meta me. Like a bawss. But the point is that the meta argument is totally anulled. So don't use it.

Yeah, except that meta-reasoning is far from the only thing I hold against you. Your sudden flip on AA still remains unexplained and unjustified. Let's not sweep issues like that under the rug - just by itself a meta-case doesn't hold any water and you know that. Which is why the fact needs to be emphasized that there is *more* to the case than just meta. And anti-town behaviour in *combination* with meta is something completely different than just meta because you leave out an important - the most important - component of the current issue with you. Don't downplay this to a mere meta-case.

And the only thing that I can say about my "connection" with July, is that I had a misread. Simple. And I trusted said misread.

So we should accept the fact that you "misread" her but our playerslot supposedly doing it is not OK [something you have not backed up yet]? When you have both been giving each other town-credit a lot? When your play has been quite anti-town regardless of any connection to July?

Even if you have had a "misread" as town you should be able to explain in retrospect what your thought process was and what affected your read on her that gave you pro-town vibes. Just saying "oh welp I thought she's town herpaderp deal with it ololol" isn't really adding anything against the issues I have with you.

So, what are we doing toDay? Is anyone here actually considering lynching anyone besides July? We're most likely going to get a scum flip, and if not, then at worst we'll know that cop results can be messed with. Unless there are two miller variants in this game, which would just be evil.

It doesn't feel like we're getting much done. The only avenues of discussion I see right now that are worthwhile are why WL thinks July/Gord scumteam, and EBR's "bombshell" on WL... and also the case that I think he promised but hasn't done anything about..?

Be more useless please? Seriously, you've literally spent two paragraphs to say nothing [or nothing that has been untackled so far] of relevance. Some wishy-wash on July and cop-outs for you to continue to be useless and not doing stuff. Still want you dead too.

 

[#HBC | Laundry]

@WL: You don't really have to elaborate now on me, if you would like to for Gord go ahead.

Read SoupvGorf as SvT. Thought AA and Soup were a scum team, realized it wasn't. Soup's still not impressing me but I have a town read on him. AA push was weird, spent all day buddying me in some form or another when I felt it was unnecessary. Didn't care for it, don't like it now. He's appealing to meta as an excuse to get out of his lynch.

 

[#HBC | Gorf]

He's appealing to meta as an excuse to get out of his lynch.

You're either reaching or misread. Either way this sentence is bulls***. The point I'm making about meta is that you can't use it as an argument against me if you're not going to look at both angles of my meta.

Yeah, except that meta-reasoning is far from the only thing I hold against you. Your sudden flip on AA still remains unexplained and unjustified. Let's not sweep issues like that under the rug - just by itself a meta-case doesn't hold any water and you know that.

Well duh. And in this case meta in general hold absolutely no water, even as a lead.

My flip on AA was absolutely justified. In fact, I was the first person to lay a vote on AA and gave complete justification for it. In fact, YOU were on that wagon too, and I can't remember it being for anything that I didn't say. Show me what wasn't justified.

Which is why the fact needs to be emphasized that there is *more* to the case than just meta. And anti-town behaviour in *combination* with meta is something completely different than just meta because you leave out an important - the most important - component of the current issue with you. Don't downplay this to a mere meta-case.

Did I skim? Cuz I was pre' sure that the July-me scum team connection was what was really in question.

So we should accept the fact that you "misread" her but our playerslot supposedly doing it is not OK [something you have not backed up yet]? When you have both been giving each other town-credit a lot? When your play has been quite anti-town regardless of any connection to July?

First of all there's no "supposedly". You totally called her not scum (based almost purely off of meta, mind you) too.

Even if you have had a "misread" as town you should be able to explain in retrospect what your thought process was and what affected your read on her that gave you pro-town vibes. Just saying "oh welp I thought she's town herpaderp deal with it ololol" isn't really adding anything against the issues I have with you.

So I never justified my town read on her? Maybe you should read back and find where I did.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I like IR a lot more after that post.

So guys what should we do about TPK? He's not top priority but I hate inactives.

 

[Asdioh]

I think Zen might be replacing in? If not, he'll be modkilled eventually. Not much else we can do about him.

I can't say that I like IR more after that post because he called me useless and wants me dead, even though I'm absolutely right and we're not getting anything done

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Gova, GLG, and TPK I haven't forgotten about you guys why don't you guys stop on buy and drop a post or something?

Would be helpful if you did.

 

[Gova]

I kind of have and am waiting for Ryker/Kuz to respond. They couldn't possibly have just said that had a way to confirm someone as scum and aren't releasing that information. I guess it's just not that important.

 

[#HBC | Dark Horse]

Zen replaces TPK

 

[Inglorious Retards]

Can you please prod glg and EBR?

Vote: July