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Yeah, I did miss that. My bad.
I feel like J's defense of kuz is a scummy defense. He completely dismisses the possibility of noobscum, when several people have pointed out contradictions in what kuz was asking - if he'd read any of those guides, I have a hard time seeing how he wouldn't know what a cop was. J also didn't do any scumhunting outside of the chainsaw defense - and he did focus on you as opposed to me, even though I was making the same exact case. That's mostly why I wanted to point out that it was Gboy following me and not the other way around - IGMEOY because I think what you're doing is borderline buddying, and I want people to know IGMEOY.
As to why buddying as opposed to handholding, is there a significant difference? I phrased the bolded part badly; I mean "A case could be made" in the "I could argue that TW's behavior is buddying" not "I could write a case based on the buddying behavior TW is displaying."
Cello asked me why I would vote the person I did, and I responded truthfully.Cello said:@Kuz: If you could lynch any one person right now, who would it be, and would you do it to gather information about other players or would you do it because you think that person is scummy?
1&2) You have to able to differentiate between scummy contradictions, and plain contradictions.1) Did you read his previous post, Swiss? The one where he doesn't think I'm scum but he'll vote me anyway?
2) I'm not buying noobtown. I'm not even sure I'm buying noob any more - there are too many contradictions.
3) As for how Gboy was buddying me, go back through the thread and count how many times he says some variation of "what she said". And you didn't say how handholding is different from buddying.
4) There's scummy buddying and there's town working together. Right now I feel like this is the townie sort, but I wanted to keep an eye on it in case something changed. It's really not a big deal, from my point of view.
kuz: OMGUS (voting someone for voting you) only works if that "for voting you" is the only reason you vote/suspect them. I suspect you because of the way in which you voted me. Especially after your most recent post saying it was a pressure vote - you never say something was a pressure vote (until the pressure is off). It defeats the purpose.
Umm idk...Yeah, and then I conceded the point once it was pointed out that the assumption - that you had some environmental exposure to mafia - was false. Why are you bringing that up?
Because you just called me out on it 10 posts ago?smarg said:I feel like J's defense of kuz is a scummy defense. He completely dismisses the possibility of noobscum, when several people have pointed out contradictions in what kuz was asking - if he'd read any of those guides, I have a hard time seeing how he wouldn't know what a cop was.
So the way I voted for you, with the suspicion there may be a facade/scum alliance between you J and TW, made you vote me?
That is the exact OMGUS thing you posted above, is it not?
How does the fact that it is a pressure vote tie into this at all?
Cello asked me why I would vote the person I did, and I responded truthfully.
I am trying to answer all your questions btw, but I keep getting ninjad while trying to look up the posts I am commenting on
1&2) You have to able to differentiate between scummy contradictions, and plain contradictions.
2) I buy it. He's like superduper obv town.
3) So, let me get this straight. You GMEOY Gord (well, TW - that's me too, that's not a good idea) for adding pressure to a wagon you were attempting to form? Did you merely want to appear as if you were pressuring, or did you feel that the way in which Gord added pressure was scummy? You'll say the latter so I'd like to know how.
4) Do you think it would be beneficial for Gord to buddy up to you (after you post that pic confirming you are willing to hold hands) if he were scum?
Gord thinks you're town by the way. He said in our chat.
I called you out ten posts ago for not knowing what a cop was. Cop is the most common non-vanilla town role in the game of mafia. It's like sitting me down two years after having me play chess once and asking me what the most powerful piece in the game is, and me not knowing. That was not the same argument.Umm idk...
Because you just called me out on it 10 posts ago?
You also tie this back to J to further incriminate him who I am beginning to feel is the town scapegoat of your scummy ways. If you realize your assumption was wrong, why use it further to attack J?
TW's reactions are not telling me that much about his involvement with either of you.
J & TW: how do you both feel about smarg's insistence that I am noobscum, and what are your thoughts about his accusations?
I like bananas. I hate bananas.1 and 2: We disagree about the nature of the contradictions, then.
3. I have a town read on you, but I'm not sure how much of that is genuine and how much of it is an artifact of Gboy agreeing with me. The IGMEOY is more to remind myself that my early town reads aren't always town.
4. Uh, yeah, that's kind of the point of buddying.
I have a hunch that there is at least 1 scum between J, TW, and Smarg. If J were to flip scum, my opinion of smarg would probably change a bit, but nothing drastic.@Kuz: If J were to flip scum, how would that affect your opinion of TW and smarg's alignment (town or scum)? If smarg were to flip town, how would that affect your opinion of Rockin and J's alignment?
Think before you post.12. Do not quote logs of communication with other players.
The question to Tandora shows his interest in the case against J.Well guys, I come in after RoM results and see 14 pages.
*READ READ READ*
IIRC, I was in a game run by Rockin a year ago. That was it.
I like the Lynch All Liars approach. Innocent people should have no reason to lie.
This includes lying by omission, such as ignoring a question asked to you.
Cello_Marl: What made you so sure that Smargaret is town?
Tandora: What is your opinion on J's responses to Cello's claim that he is scum
Also, good night!
Lol. First of all that fos was complete jokes. Re-read that post if you have to.Unvote: Vote:Kuz
He's been playing the noob card ("Shut up! I'm new, be nice to me!", which i find scummy
And he fos'd me for no reason.
Upon thinking about it, I will revise this statement. If smarg were to flip town then I would probably suspect either you or J as scum, but probably no alliance.kuz said:If smarg were to flip town...then I would either suspect a J, TW scum alliance or at least one of them being scum.
Never have I gone prancing around, saying I'm new, don't hurt me. I think he's being sconces by a person to keep the noobcard going.[17:20] t_swiss@hotmail.co.uk: Elaborating on the 'LOL DH log' - DH, considering you have extensive experience on being called out on tells similar to this (when town), why are you voting Kuz? The time for a pressure wagon has passed, so you actually find him scummy? Why?
Wouldn't this mean that J is now equally good as a source of information? Would it be worth it to you to switch over to him as a show of good faith to me?Kuz said:If you and smarg were to both flip town, then I would be all over J as scum. In this case, smarg was doing legitimate town scum hunting and you may have backed him up a little which I feel is justifiable. If J were to flip town I would then be looking at you and smarg as a possible alliance or at least one of you as scum.
[17:03] gorditoboy69: DARK HORSE IS AN IDIOT
[17:04] t_swiss@hotmail.co.uk: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[17:04] t_swiss@hotmail.co.uk: I was just thinking that
[17:04] t_swiss@hotmail.co.uk: Like, word for word
Do it again and you will be modkilled.12. Do not quote logs of communication with other players.
I'm replying to you, but This goes for everyone: it's important to remember that people's actions are reflective BOTH of their PERSONALITY as well as their ALIGNMENT.Never have I gone prancing around, saying I'm new, don't hurt me. I think he's being sconces by a person to keep the noobcard going.
Fine by meLol. First of all that fos was complete jokes. Re-read that post if you have to.
That was an exaggeration. You've been more like "Hey, why are so many people avaunt me? I'm new"When did I ever tell people to 'shut up and be nice to me'? When I confirmed I just let everyone know I was new and was just saying it in a normal fashion. Smarg has already called me out on the noob card and I have already discussed my stance on the issue
You had done it a couple of posts back. Not exactly dead & gone(and if you have read my last few posts, I think I am getting less noobish so I dont know why you are bringing that point up when it has already been discussed by other people)
Abusing it is scummy in my bookAnd, besides J backing me up way back when in early RVS, no one has vouched for me on the basis that I am a noob and therefore I should not be suspected. Cello and TW have made comments that I am noob town because that is how they view what I have posted so far, not just by the simple fact that I am new (which I fricken am)
...and now you're skimming. I gave a reason why.Staying quiet this whole time and then coming in to piggyback on smarg's argument a whole day later?
You mean telling everyone why i've not been posting.I saw you viewing this thread at other times so you cannot simply dismiss yourself that you were absent. You also posted something trivial a page back or so and made no attempt to continue or contribute the conversation from the previous night.