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Custom Robo's Holosseum Champion - Ray for Smash Switch!

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LMAO.

Honestly, Smash bros may be the only way to revive him. But even then, it's a slight.

He may just turn into Captain Falcon, where he only lives on in smash.
(God, as an F-Zero fan, that hurt.)
Honestly, this has been on my mind for a while now...

Considering how NOISE appears to be all but outright dead at this point, Ray feels like one of those characters that practically NEED Smash in order for him (and his entire series, by extension) to stay alive.

Heck, even if he gets that lucky, he might still end up being another repeat of the fate that's befallen Captain Falcon and just about everyone from EarthBound (MOTHER) where Smash is the ONLY place to find him in anything relevant which I REALLY hope doesn't end up being his ultimate fate...
 

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Honestly, this has been on my mind for a while now...

Considering how NOISE appears to be all but outright dead at this point, Ray feels like one of those characters that practically NEED Smash in order for him (and his entire series, by extension) to stay alive.

Heck, even if he gets that lucky, he might still end up being another repeat of the fate that's befallen Captain Falcon and just about everyone from EarthBound (MOTHER) where Smash is the ONLY place to find him in anything relevant which I REALLY hope doesn't end up being his ultimate fate...
Sigh. If he does get in, that might be what he deals with for the rest of his life.

Are you okay with that?
 

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Sigh. If he does get in, that might be what he deals with for the rest of his life.

Are you okay with that?
*sigh*...

You know what? I would take it, if only because it's not looking like Custom Robo will be getting anything anytime soon. That is, unless Smash ends up helping out Custom Robo to get new games...
 

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*sigh*...

You know what? I would take it, if only because it's not looking like Custom Robo will be getting anything anytime soon. That is, unless Smash ends up helping out Custom Robo to get new games...
I mean, it helped fire emblem.

But...It didnt help F-Zero...

I don't know.
 

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I mean, it helped fire emblem.

But...It didnt help F-Zero...

I don't know.
Fire Emblem was a series Nintendo seemed to really want to succeed. While Smash helped the series, it took until Awakening for the series to finally find the success it was looking for.

As far as it goes it really relies on what the market is calling for and what Nintendo is willing to do to obtain it. RPGs are always in high demand and the many Nintendo publishes always do ok, racing games however are hit and miss, so it's easy to see why F-Zero was given up on. If Custom Robo is to return it's because the genre has gotten a bit of a revival and Nintendo's trying to capitalize on it, which is possible in the era of esports.
 

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Fire Emblem was a series Nintendo seemed to really want to succeed. While Smash helped the series, it took until Awakening for the series to finally find the success it was looking for.

As far as it goes it really relies on what the market is calling for and what Nintendo is willing to do to obtain it. RPGs are always in high demand and the many Nintendo publishes always do ok, racing games however are hit and miss, so it's easy to see why F-Zero was given up on. If Custom Robo is to return it's because the genre has gotten a bit of a revival and Nintendo's trying to capitalize on it, which is possible in the era of esports.
I actually used F-Zero as an example because...no one from Nintendo wants to work on it.

Let's face the facts. Fire Emblem is still worked on because Intelligent Systems is still around and has a close relationship with Nintendo.

Noise is basically dead, and not even the original creators want to work on it.

Everyone who /ever/ worked on f-zero is basically busy with other things.

Basically, there needs to be someone in Nintendo or any other company that /needs/ to have interest in bringing it back.

Golden sun at least has Camelot's creators still around and have a close relationship with Nintendo.

Custom Robo doesn't even have that...
 

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I actually used F-Zero as an example because...no one from Nintendo wants to work on it.

Let's face the facts. Fire Emblem is still worked on because Intelligent Systems is still around and has a close relationship with Nintendo.

Noise is basically dead, and not even the original creators want to work on it.

Everyone who /ever/ worked on f-zero is basically busy with other things.

Basically, there needs to be someone in Nintendo or any other company that /needs/ to have interest in bringing it back.

Golden sun at least has Camelot's creators still around and have a close relationship with Nintendo.

Custom Robo doesn't even have that...
Yeah, a lot of Nintendo's franchises seem to sit around for quite a while. Donkey Kong Country was dormant for 14 years since Rare was bought by Microsoft (not that I know if they had future plans anyway). There's a 10 year gap between Star Fox Command and Star Fox Zero, except for a SF64 remake on 3DS. Not to mention Sakurai reviving Kid Icarus after 20 years.

In that regard it's not that surprising that things like F-Zero and Custom Robo have gone silent, considering they were never really on the level of DK or Fox. Especially F-Zero, Nintendo could easily say that they have Mario Kart, and any other racing games they make just aren't going to be able to compete in terms of sales, so why bother. There was Fast RMX, but it's only on the eshop, as far as I know.

Heck, they don't even put Captain Falcon in Mario Kart, even though they put in characters like Link, Villager, and Inkling into Deluxe.

Custom Robo is a little different because unlike F-Zero, I can't really think of anything that really fills that genre mixture of RPG and arena fighter. Maybe it's just too niche? It seems like Nintendo Franchises only get so many attempts before they're scrapped. And when you look at the era both franchises existed in, which was largely the 64 and Gamecube era (F-Zero did exist earlier, obviously), Nintendo was just getting completely outsold by Sony. I never even realized how badly until looking at the numbers. Of course, Nintendo would never admit that. Or at least, they're not looking back. So you really do just have to hope that someone from that era of gaming grew up and thought "Why do these not exist anymore?" and will push for them from inside the company. Barring that, there's not a lot of reason to expect they'll come back.
 
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Yeah, a lot of Nintendo's franchises seem to sit around for quite a while. Donkey Kong Country was dormant for 14 years since Rare was bought by Microsoft (not that I know if they had future plans anyway). There's a 10 year gap between Star Fox Command and Star Fox Zero, except for a SF64 remake on 3DS. Not to mention Sakurai reviving Kid Icarus after 20 years.

In that regard it's not that surprising that things like F-Zero and Custom Robo have gone silent, considering they were never really on the level of DK or Fox. Especially F-Zero, Nintendo could easily say that they have Mario Kart, and any other racing games they make just aren't going to be able to compete in terms of sales, so why bother. There was Fast RMX, but it's only on the eshop, as far as I know.

Heck, they don't even put Captain Falcon in Mario Kart, even though they put in characters like Link, Villager, and Inkling into Deluxe.

Custom Robo is a little different because unlike F-Zero, I can't really think of anything that really fills that genre mixture of RPG and arena fighter. Maybe it's just too niche? It seems like Nintendo Franchises only get so many attempts before they're scrapped. And when you look at the era both franchises existed in, which was largely the 64 and Gamecube era (F-Zero did exist earlier, obviously), Nintendo was just getting completely outsold by Sony. I never even realized how badly until looking at the numbers. Of course, Nintendo would never admit that. Or at least, they're not looking back. So you really do just have to hope that someone from that era of gaming grew up and thought "Why do these not exist anymore?" and will push for them from inside the company. Barring that, there's not a lot of reason to expect they'll come back.

Yeah, Nintendo was really wanting to dump a few franchises off it's back. Which is sad. Those franchises, if done well, can still make a decent profit. :(
 

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Yeah, a lot of Nintendo's franchises seem to sit around for quite a while. Donkey Kong Country was dormant for 14 years since Rare was bought by Microsoft (not that I know if they had future plans anyway). There's a 10 year gap between Star Fox Command and Star Fox Zero, except for a SF64 remake on 3DS. Not to mention Sakurai reviving Kid Icarus after 20 years.

In that regard it's not that surprising that things like F-Zero and Custom Robo have gone silent, considering they were never really on the level of DK or Fox. Especially F-Zero, Nintendo could easily say that they have Mario Kart, and any other racing games they make just aren't going to be able to compete in terms of sales, so why bother. There was Fast RMX, but it's only on the eshop, as far as I know.

Heck, they don't even put Captain Falcon in Mario Kart, even though they put in characters like Link, Villager, and Inkling into Deluxe.

Custom Robo is a little different because unlike F-Zero, I can't really think of anything that really fills that genre mixture of RPG and arena fighter. Maybe it's just too niche? It seems like Nintendo Franchises only get so many attempts before they're scrapped. And when you look at the era both franchises existed in, which was largely the 64 and Gamecube era (F-Zero did exist earlier, obviously), Nintendo was just getting completely outsold by Sony. I never even realized how badly until looking at the numbers. Of course, Nintendo would never admit that. Or at least, they're not looking back. So you really do just have to hope that someone from that era of gaming grew up and thought "Why do these not exist anymore?" and will push for them from inside the company. Barring that, there's not a lot of reason to expect they'll come back.
It's realities like that make me pretty appreciative of Smash's existence, as it's probably the one game series that would WILLINGLY showcase things like Custom Robo, Chibi-Robo, Golden Sun, Jam with the Band, Sin and Punishment, and so on.
 

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That is quite an interesting view on things and choice.

Do you want for Custom Robo to go back to life or join Smash and become a Captain Falcon and live from, to, about and with Smash.

Ooof, what a fate that would be...

:dizzy:.
 

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I dont think we necessarily have to choose one or the other though.

Imo most characters probably get a second look because of Smash if people show a response to them. If Ray gets in and everyone gets hyped for one of the coolest looking characters out there, then that hype may cause Nintnedo to wanna bring the series back for another round. Falcon had games after his inclusion in Smash. It's not like him being in Smash killed F-Zero, it just didn't help it.

What I'm trying to say is, Ray getting in Smash couldn't hurt
 

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It's realities like that make me pretty appreciative of Smash's existence, as it's probably the one game series that would WILLINGLY showcase things like Custom Robo, Chibi-Robo, Golden Sun, Jam with the Band, Sin and Punishment, and so on.
Smash is and will always be a celebration of nintendo.

Even when 3rd parties clearly are clearly in the sidelines.

*Now Ray just needs to get noticed by sakurai. His competitors above him are what hold him back.*
That is quite an interesting view on things and choice.

Do you want for Custom Robo to go back to life or join Smash and become a Captain Falcon and live from, to, about and with Smash.

Ooof, what a fate that would be...

:dizzy:.
It would be tragic.
I dont think we necessarily have to choose one or the other though.

Imo most characters probably get a second look because of Smash if people show a response to them. If Ray gets in and everyone gets hyped for one of the coolest looking characters out there, then that hype may cause Nintnedo to wanna bring the series back for another round. Falcon had games after his inclusion in Smash. It's not like him being in Smash killed F-Zero, it just didn't help it.

What I'm trying to say is, Ray getting in Smash couldn't hurt

Yeah, Ray getting into smash wouldnt hurt him. But i think is his issue is that i'm not too sure who would be qualified to make a custom robo game.
Like, didn't Noise do a majority of the work when it came to the series? If that's the case, CR shouldnt be made by them.
I don't know.
 

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Yeah, Ray getting into smash wouldnt hurt him. But i think is his issue is that i'm not too sure who would be qualified to make a custom robo game.
Like, didn't Noise do a majority of the work when it came to the series? If that's the case, CR shouldnt be made by them.
I don't know.
I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, I think if the desire for a new Custom Robo game was shown, the people that made the originals, no matter where they are now would be interested in coming back together and reviving the series as long as Nintendo is on board. If not I'm confident Nintendo could still find the right people for it. Either way, I can't see Ray making Smash as anything but a good thing for Custom Robo as a series.
 

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Thinking about Ray in smash makes me excited for a little while and then depressed. Custom Robo being discontinued may be the biggest waste of potential in gaming history. I really wish Ray had even a small chance, but I'd honestly rate him at 0%. Ray will always be my number one most wanted character but it's unfortunately never going to happen, as much as it pains me to say it.
 

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Yeah, Ray getting into smash wouldnt hurt him. But i think is his issue is that i'm not too sure who would be qualified to make a custom robo game.
Like, didn't Noise do a majority of the work when it came to the series? If that's the case, CR shouldnt be made by them.
I don't know.
HAL Labs. also had a hand in the first two games. Maybe Nintendo could look to them for a new game?

Smash is and will always be a celebration of nintendo.

Even when 3rd parties clearly are clearly in the sidelines.

*Now Ray just needs to get noticed by sakurai. His competitors above him are what hold him back.*
Precisely. Though, Sakurai should really try throwing a bone to the retro/obscure/Japan-only side of things just a bit more than he's been doing as for recent...

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, I think if the desire for a new Custom Robo game was shown, the people that made the originals, no matter where they are now would be interested in coming back together and reviving the series as long as Nintendo is on board. If not I'm confident Nintendo could still find the right people for it. Either way, I can't see Ray making Smash as anything but a good thing for Custom Robo as a series.
Thank you. This is pretty much summing up what Ray needs at the moment. Hey, if worked for Fire Emblem and Kid Icarus (and even Jam with the Band, Sin and Punishment, and Golden Sun to an extent, Custom Robo might luck out, who knows?)

Thinking about Ray in smash makes me excited for a little while and then depressed. Custom Robo being discontinued may be the biggest waste of potential in gaming history. I really wish Ray had even a small chance, but I'd honestly rate him at 0%. Ray will always be my number one most wanted character but it's unfortunately never going to happen, as much as it pains me to say it.
Well, this is why we need to keep advocating for Ray. I mean, look at characters like the Ice Climbers. Their playstyle is unique enough that had it not been for the 3DS, they would have appeared in EVERY Smash game to date.

That said, while it looks like custom moves are no longer a thing anymore, Ray could still make use of his customization abilities. Maybe via taunting, he could switch weapons and other gear.
 

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HAL Labs. also had a hand in the first two games. Maybe Nintendo could look to them for a new game?
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wait, what? I didn't hear that before. Where did you get that info?


I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, I think if the desire for a new Custom Robo game was shown, the people that made the originals, no matter where they are now would be interested in coming back together and reviving the series as long as Nintendo is on board. If not I'm confident Nintendo could still find the right people for it. Either way, I can't see Ray making Smash as anything but a good thing for Custom Robo as a series.

It's kinda hard to see that happening, when even the creator seems to have no interest in making a spiritual successor. There's also a lack of info online on who exactly made the games, and they have little online presence.
 

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wait, what? I didn't hear that before. Where did you get that info?
The end credits to Custom Robo and Custom Robo V2 has them listed in the credits as a sort of "Special Thanks" credit. That said, looking close at it... Custom Robo and its V2 sequel DO feel like HAL games, don't they?
 

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The end credits to Custom Robo and Custom Robo V2 has them listed in the credits as a sort of "Special Thanks" credit. That said, looking close at it... Custom Robo and its V2 sequel DO feel like HAL games, don't they?
I mean, i played only the first one. But Custom Robo in terms of combat and story has stayed kinda consistent. (The story in BR is an exception.)
 
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At the end of the day, the only thing to do is wait for a miracle or a sign of something going on regarding CR's possible rep if it happens at all.

:c.
 

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I just got an idea. There was post awhile ago on how Sakurai had bought a robot model to use a reference (Though only for the gun).

What do you guys think of Sakurai perhaps designing a brand new Ray model to use exclusively in smash?
 

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I just got an idea. There was post awhile ago on how Sakurai had bought a robot model to use a reference (Though only for the gun).

What do you guys think of Sakurai perhaps designing a brand new Ray model to use exclusively in smash?
Sakurai designing a brand new Ray would be bonkers. Especially since a new design implies a new game for it to be used in...

(Alternatively I guess he could just call it like Ray 4 and have it be sort of a ‘what-if’, not really canon but close to canon character, based on the legacy title of Ray. That’d be neat too.)
 

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I just got an idea. There was post awhile ago on how Sakurai had bought a robot model to use a reference (Though only for the gun).

What do you guys think of Sakurai perhaps designing a brand new Ray model to use exclusively in smash?
It's been discussed before, mostly during the smash 4 times cuz it'd make a bit more sense. Smash 4, Ray 4, lotsa 4's. At this point, I'd rather see Ray Mk. III cuz he was the assist trophy, but I will never say no to a CR rep, even if it's a donut steel one.
 

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I totally support Ray in Smash. Custom Robo is great I hope Sakurai and NOISE realize this.
Noise is far too gone to care anymore. Rip.


It's been discussed before, mostly during the smash 4 times cuz it'd make a bit more sense. Smash 4, Ray 4, lotsa 4's. At this point, I'd rather see Ray Mk. III cuz he was the assist trophy, but I will never say no to a CR rep, even if it's a donut steel one.
I mean, it worked for Ridley, didn't it?

also, add me to the supporters please. :)
 
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I really want ray in. But does he have enough support? Does he have any chance?
Ray doesn't have as much support compared to say Banjo or Isaac but he still does appear decently high in some polls. He has decent support from Japan, and since Smash Ultimate would likely get many fan requested characters out of the way it will give him less competition in the future. In the poll below which was compiled by collecting results from various big Smash Ballot polls online and removing confirmed/deconfirmed characters, Ray was ranked 13th.
 

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I mean, 13th place isn't bad.


I also wanted to ask anyone in this thread what the Final Smash of Ray would be if he is to "hypothetically" be in ultimate.
 

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I mean, 13th place isn't bad.


I also wanted to ask anyone in this thread what the Final Smash of Ray would be if he is to "hypothetically" be in ultimate.
A few years ago, I would've said soul boost, but maybe now it'd just be some array of illegal parts, perhaps the Wyrm Gun as it seems pretty popular.
 

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Ray doesn't have as much support compared to say Banjo or Isaac but he still does appear decently high in some polls. He has decent support from Japan, and since Smash Ultimate would likely get many fan requested characters out of the way it will give him less competition in the future. In the poll below which was compiled by collecting results from various big Smash Ballot polls online and removing confirmed/deconfirmed characters, Ray was ranked 13th.
Oh sweet! That kinda gives him a chance. I wonder how many new characters will be added by the time all dlc ends for this game. There are like 15 characters that really need to get repped.

This is of topic, but does anyone know where shovel knight and waluigi landed on this chart before they were at's?
 

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Oh sweet! That kinda gives him a chance. I wonder how many new characters will be added by the time all dlc ends for this game. There are like 15 characters that really need to get repped.

This is of topic, but does anyone know where shovel knight and waluigi landed on this chart before they were at's?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...w5m-b4JHJ0_cGRKU15KYlTe1E/edit#gid=1483868529
This is the original data before the confirmed and deconfirmed characters were removed. Shovel Knight came 5th and Waluigi came 12th. Keep in mind this was made when people thought the Smash Ballot was for Smash 4 DLC and Waluigi was already an assist so he got lower than expected
 

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A few years ago, I would've said soul boost, but maybe now it'd just be some array of illegal parts, perhaps the Wyrm Gun as it seems pretty popular.
Wyrm gun sounds cool tbh. But how would you think it should go?

Should it be like Samus's beam where it's super powerful for a limited amount of time, but is able to get a huge amount of people? Or should it be like a quick beam that has a small range?

*i'm asking this as a 3D environment is different from a 2D one.*
 

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Wyrm gun sounds cool tbh. But how would you think it should go?

Should it be like Samus's beam where it's super powerful for a limited amount of time, but is able to get a huge amount of people? Or should it be like a quick beam that has a small range?

*i'm asking this as a 3D environment is different from a 2D one.*
If I were designing it, I'd just make it more like the arrow that sheik and zelda have. Like a one shot kill sort of final smash. Except it'd have 5 "arrows" that can track since that's how the Wyrm Gun works.
 

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If I were designing it, I'd just make it more like the arrow that sheik and zelda have. Like a one shot kill sort of final smash. Except it'd have 5 "arrows" that can track since that's how the Wyrm Gun works.
I feel like Sakurai could take code from that final smash and apply to that how Ray's final smash works, if ya catch my drift.

(speaking of which, i need to make that moveset for ray.)
 

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Ray doesn't have as much support compared to say Banjo or Isaac but he still does appear decently high in some polls. He has decent support from Japan, and since Smash Ultimate would likely get many fan requested characters out of the way it will give him less competition in the future. In the poll below which was compiled by collecting results from various big Smash Ballot polls online and removing confirmed/deconfirmed characters, Ray was ranked 13th.
Wow, I'm pretty sure this is a new poll. Ray's STILL ranking THAT relatively high? Well, at least he's still on people's minds after all this time, right?

I mean, 13th place isn't bad.


I also wanted to ask anyone in this thread what the Final Smash of Ray would be if he is to "hypothetically" be in ultimate.
Considering Ray's current situation, that's certainly true.

Honestly? While I know it's cliche (and probably won't even happen due to another character using this EXACT same FS), weeelll...
 

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Wow, I'm pretty sure this is a new poll. Ray's STILL ranking THAT relatively high? Well, at least he's still on people's minds after all this time, right?
It's more based on exit poll data ranking that happened in 2015 during the days of the Ballot. Since the rest of the competition is gone, he's been put onto #13.
 

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Only ever played Arena because it's the only CR game that came out in Europe but looking at Ray 01, I get kinda jealous cause he looks so much better than MK3. Anyways, I don't care which model, as long as Ray gets into Ultimate at all! So sad CR died when it had so much potential.
 

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Only ever played Arena because it's the only CR game that came out in Europe but looking at Ray 01, I get kinda jealous cause he looks so much better than MK3. Anyways, I don't care which model, as long as Ray gets into Ultimate at all! So sad CR died when it had so much potential.
Yeah. CR honestly would be a much bigger Nintendo competitive game if they bothered to advertise it.

I just wish for Isaac and Ray at this point. So that way interest in their respective series can be revived.
 

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Gonna key on a lot of things I read since I'm just catching up on Ray's support.


A lot of Nintendo franchises are getting license renewals so other companies don't snag anything. Which, to some degree, does show that at least have these games in mind.

As for Ray's current standing, I'm pretty sure Shovel Knight was ranking in around the upper half of the polls with Shantae before he got confirmed for an Assist Trophy. I don't want to sound like a downer, but it sounds like he may end up making a return to form as an Assist Trophy if anything at all.

That being said, I'd be more than happy to see him. Loved Custom Robo and I've supported Ray since the Project M voting thread days.
 
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