Corporal Punishment

[vato_break]

Corporal Punishment- Intentional punishment,on a child,for wrong doing such as breaking a rule and is done by an authority figure.(Not an exact Definition)

What is Corporal Punishment?
Deeper into Corporal punishment;
As some of you may or may not know Corporal Punishment or C.P is disciplinary tool used by many Parents/schools,furthermore it's the infliction of pain for misbehavior and it's used in 27 states. For parents C.P is acceptable in every single state except minnisota. It has been used for years and is still being usd in the US. Most are punsihed with paddles,hand,bat,ect.....

Supporters of C.P
Okay lets make this short. Supporters believe "to spare the rod is to spoil the child", which basically means the kid has it good cuz he's not being hit,thats pretty dumb no one likes to get hit,if the table were turned on them they wouldn't want to be physically abused.How would they feel if they got kaned for being late work? Thats builds a very bad relationship between the hitter and the hit.Also in the bible it says its okay to hit a child,if there are wounds the child has sinned,something like that but, i don't believe in the bible so i don't really care. They also believe that if they don't know who the "boss" is they will never know.

Reasons why i think it's WRONG.
Yes i believe it is wrong,why?,well let me explain. Many people beilive that once punished, a child will crime commit no more but, sorry to say this is not the case always .It's assumed maybe just maybe an injured rule breaker will be less likely to commit a crime but, this can be the other way around and a rule breaker can commit a crime again. C.p can help contribute the creation of low self-esteem,anger,feelings of helplessness and humiliation. Corporal Punishment tells the kid that it's okay to hit others to solve problems and problems solved with violence is worse than the problem itself. The whole thing is embarrassing and uncivilized.Childhood is an important stage in life,kids shouldn't have to grow up in violence. Does not show what the child did wrong or how he could of avoided the problem, just that the paddle is the answer to everything.

What Can be Done?
Banning C.P is already in the process but, doing so will take a long time soooo it's recommended that Strong disciplinary codes are used in it's place but, still give authorities the power to maintain order. So if its that easy why isn't it replaced well not everyone agrees. Even iffrequent corporal punishment is bad, teaching behavior that you want to see is a better alternitive to corporal punishment and will be more beneficial to use.

Conclusion
so i think c.p is wrong and should not be practiced because all it accomplishes is fear and does not correct the mistake and children should be counselled and givin guidence instead of a cane.

so what are your thoughts on c.p?
have you ever been cp'd?
would you use c.p on your children?

Thank you for reading and no flames plz.

 

[1048576]

I think physical pain is just as bad as emotional pain. I would rather be punched in the face than watch as someone tied bags of sand around my cat's legs and laughed at its inability to move properly. I would rather be stabbed with a pen than be called fat *** over and over. I would rather be choked until I passed out than be continually dehumanized by the religious right.

Free will doesn't exist, so I think ******* should be given the same treatment as serial killers. Serial killers impose massive costs on a few people, while ******* impose minor costs on everyone they come into contact with.

 

[Johnthegalactic]

vato must have just been spanked for stealing cookies from the cookie jar...just joking guys, j/k.

Normal bruises often heal easier than a mind that has traumatized.
Not that I was ever bruised by Corporal punishment.
Oh, at my school, students are given the option of corporal punishment in some cases...they like this choice, get it over with quick.
Oh, and hopefully the parents let their child know they love them(hopefully they do in the first place), the child should be able to understand that their parents were punishing them for their mistake and that if they make the mistake again, they will face the consequences, I did.

Edited away abbreviation of corporal punishment.

 

[Amide]

vato must have just been spanked for stealing cookies from the cookie jar...just joking guys, j/k.

Normal bruises often heal easier than a mind that has traumatized.
Not that I was ever bruised by CP.
Oh, at my school, students are given the option of CP in some cases...they like this choice, get it over with quick.
Oh, and hopefully the parents let their child know they love them(hopefully they do in the first place), the child should be able to understand that their parents were punishing them for their mistake and that if they make the mistake again, they will face the consequences, I did.

They have CP at your school? Is it a private school?

 

[Crimson King]

Can you not use CP? It has bad connotations.

 

[Johnthegalactic]

They have CP at your school? Is it a private school?

What's it matter, it is a choice punishment, you can choose this over another punishment(not sure which, I am not a trouble maker[that get's caught]), some students preference is corporal punishment over the given punishment, and anyway the punisher never gives more than 19 lashes.
Atleast they should still have it in my school, I am not one to know the procedures as I do not get into trouble.
But, it shouldn't never be a mandatory school punishment, that is silly, as a choice, and with parent approval(I don't know about parent choice though for school punishment), the student should have the option to receive corporal punishment though.

And, as long as the child is not given permanent damage or serious to mild damage, there isn't anything wrong with corporal punishment from parents. Now beating up your child is different, eww, whoever does that is disgusting.
Corporal punishment is a consequence for a mistake, some childs won't take counseling or detention seriously, hopefully you understand.

Can you not use CP? It has bad connotations.

Do you mean the abbrevation or corporal punishment, I wasn't 100% sure, so I killed my abbreviations for good measure.

More Edit: Also I don't think Corporal punishment should be seen as some solve all punishment, that is pretty silly.

More EDIT: The abbreviation of corporal punishment could also stand for the following.
1 candlepower (lolwut)
2 center of pressure
3 cerebral palsy
4 charter party
5 chemically pure
6 command post
7 Communist party
8 Congregation of the Passion
9 custom of port

 

[1048576]

I think if a child sucks at life then it should be killed. As a utilitarian, it bothers me when people detract from the happiness of society.

 

[Johnthegalactic]

I think if a child sucks at life then it should be killed. As a utilitarian, it bothers me when people detract from the happiness of society.

I hope this is sarcasm, I hope so very much.

Anyway, I never answered these questions.

have you ever been coporal punished?
Yes, and I remember it, and I don't look back at that with any bad feeling, now, I have had some things said at me...those are a different story.

would you use corporal punishment on your children?

This is situation dependent IMO, but yes, if it is what would help in getting the child to recognize that they should not do that.

Edit:

Free will doesn't exist, so I think ******* should be given the same treatment as serial killers. Serial killers impose massive costs on a few people, while ******* impose minor costs on everyone they come into contact with.

Hopefully, you are not serious.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Can you not use CP? It has bad connotations.

not to mention, emotional pain, and traumatization as a result of that.

 

[vato_break]

yeah =/.....

 

[DMG]

Corporal Punishment is silly IMO, it doesn't really deter bad behavior as well as most people hope for, and when it does deter bad behavior it has the chance of negative side effects.

Corporal Punishment should be absent at schools, the parents should have authority at home over whether or not the kid gets paddled/hit.

 

[Crimson King]

Child porn. CP stands for Child Porn.

 

[Peeze]

Free will doesn't exist, so I think ******* should be given the same treatment as serial killers. Serial killers impose massive costs on a few people, while ******* impose minor costs on everyone they come into contact with.

You cant be serious. So then why do you look down on pedophiles? If they have no choice they shouldnt be punished. Its not my fault if i **** you then. That will only have a "massive effect on a few people". Seriously dude? Think about what your saying.

Back on the topic, CP is fine. The point is to reinforce a point. Your not doing it to permanently harm the child. There's a difference in discipline and abuse. If i beat my child whenever he disobeys me the chances of him disobeying me decrease. Sure i could just talk to him, and yeah that works for some kids, but not all. Same for adults, some get counseling when they do wrong, but most time its jail time, to reinforce a point.

 

[Livvers]

Child porn. CP stands for Child Porn.

Hahaha. I was laughing at everyone taking what you said in a completely different direction.


I'd be cool with Corporal Punishment in schools if it didn't have the ability to be abused. And I think it could only be used on kids in elementary school.

Really, I think it should be left up to the parents to punish their child physically. I see nothing wrong with this as long as you're not actually hurting the kid. A lot of times it's the action, not the pain that reinforces the point.

Some of the responses to this thread makes my head hurt.

 

[1048576]

I say punish everyone, not punish noone. If you **** me, and I feel worse than you feel better (which will probably happen) then you are decreasing society's happiness. We need to eliminate this aspect of your behavior. If, on the whole, you impose more costs than benefits on society, you should be killed.

As I've said, physical pain and verbal or emotional pain are equally harmful to me.

 

[Peeze]

I dont think you even know what your talking about.

 

[Overload]

I guess sparingly spanking your child when they are younger isn't too bad, but if it is done often they may come to resent the parent. I guess it all depends on the parent. Some parents seem to use Corporal Punishment to take out their anger on the child. This teaches the child nothing. A friend of mine was taught to speak his mind and talk back to his parents, this way they could see his point of view and things could be worked out. When you hit a child send them to their room and don't listen to what they have to say or their side of the story, they might think what they say doesn't matter, and won't speak their mind later in life.

I have had corporal punishment used on me by my parents when I was younger. Like a smack to the face if I was acting up. I quickly learned to dodge and block though.

I don't think I would use corporal punishment on my children.

 

[Moy]

I say if you do something wrong, you get punished for it.

Now, this doesn't have to include physical contact. Taking away things the child likes works, and teaches them that this will continue to happen if you break the rules. I'd never want to hit a kid, especially not my own hopefully later in life.

But giving a kid pain will not only shut the kid up, but they will learn that they don't want to get hurt again.

 

[Overload]

Corporal Punishment is a method which instills fear in the child so they won't do that action again. When you aren't around, they won't get hit, so what is stopping them from acting up?

 

[Johnthegalactic]

Yeah, spanking a kid is no solve all punishment, and no parent should relish the chance to spank their child, especially since it is a punishment for a mistake(hopefully not just some stupid"oh my hands are tired, let me go spank a kid").
What Overlord is saying makes sense, parents should listen to their kids, not just spank them and send them away, and of course, is not something that should be used for every minor discrepancy found in a childs behavior.

I hope I never have to use corporal punishment on my children, but them making mistakes is inevitable(inebitable), therefore, reality is harsh.

 

[Eor]

I only support Corporal punishment if the item used is sharp, jagged and rusted, and they use it on the genitals. Anything else just won't teach kids to not make fart noises in class

 

[Darkslash]

I think if a child sucks at life then it should be killed. As a utilitarian, it bothers me when people detract from the happiness of society.

Please tell me your not being serious..

Though i believe they arn't going to learn any thing from physical pain. Its emotional that always gets you. You get traumatize and it won't leave you. Physical pain will go away some time but Emotional will go with you to the grave.

 

[Peeze]

I only support Corporal punishment if the item used is sharp, jagged and rusted, and they use it on the genitals. Anything else just won't teach kids to not make fart noises in class

Rough childhood, Eor?

 

[DMG]

I only support Corporal punishment if the item used is sharp, jagged and rusted, and they use it on the genitals. Anything else just won't teach kids to not make fart noises in class

Lol, Eor wins.

 

[1048576]

I dont think you even know what your talking about.

What part of my post was confusing to you?

 

[RizardoLawless]

I wish I was just beaten instead of having my liberties taken away. So what if they smack me upside the head, I'll obviously heal. But if I can't play video games or leave the house, I'm wasting my life and gonna go nuts.

 

[Omis]

Personally, I think it doesnt really have a place in school due to the fact that some parents have different ways of punishing their kids. At home though it is perfectly fine. The first time I got the belt I learned my lesson.

 

[Red Exodus]

I have first hand experience with CP [some people here call it flogging so I'll use that] and it's a terrible thing when abused.

When I was younger [probably 5] I went into school and from the first year to the last [when I was 11] I [and a lot of other students] got flogged as punishment for several things.

We got flogged for not doing homework.
Flogged for disrupting the class [talking, throwing stuff, name calling]
Flogged for answering questions incorrectly.
Flogged for failing tests.
And sometimes the teacher would go around the class looking for an answer and if no one got it by a certain time [as if it were a pattern of incorrect answers] the entire class got flogged regardless of whether you got a chance to answer or not.

After a while I thought that was how discipline was all over the world until I got old enough to understand that it wasn't. By the time I got in Secondary School [the equivalent of high school] I saw it as a completely unnecessary punishment and didn't agree with it's use at all but at that level they didn't use it as much. I got flogged in secondary school for getting involved in a fight, I didn't want to make a scene so I just took it but unwillingly so.

I can't say it made me a better person. I can't say I've learned my lesson the way I should. It probably made me more timid and shy than I was before [as a child] unfortunately.

 

[Overload]

I have first hand experience with CP [some people here call it flogging so I'll use that] and it's a terrible thing when abused.

When I was younger [probably 5] I went into school and from the first year to the last [when I was 11] I [and a lot of other students] got flogged as punishment for several things.

We got flogged for not doing homework.
Flogged for disrupting the class [talking, throwing stuff, name calling]
Flogged for answering questions incorrectly.
Flogged for failing tests.
And sometimes the teacher would go around the class looking for an answer and if no one got it by a certain time [as if it were a pattern of incorrect answers] the entire class got flogged regardless of whether you got a chance to answer or not.

After a while I thought that was how discipline was all over the world until I got old enough to understand that it wasn't. By the time I got in Secondary School [the equivalent of high school] I saw it as a completely unnecessary punishment and didn't agree with it's use at all but at that level they didn't use it as much. I got flogged in secondary school for getting involved in a fight, I didn't want to make a scene so I just took it but unwillingly so.

I can't say it made me a better person. I can't say I've learned my lesson the way I should. It probably made me more timid and shy than I was before [as a child] unfortunately.

Wow, I can't believe the school could even justify that. Punishment for getting a wrong answer? Some kids might think "I can't answer, if I'm wrong, I might get punished."

 

[Gamer4Fire]

Corporal punishment is just a tool, and when properly utilized, a very effective tool. There is a difference between punishment and abuse, and I think that should be made clear. A parent never wants to hurt their child (well, good parents) physically or emotionally. And the physical scars fade much faster than emotional ones. As long as they feel loved, the scars will fade to nothing more than a lesson learned.

In my job, they can use corporal punishment (they shoot you) if you refuse to cooperate. None of you losers have to worry about that from your parents.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

I've already decided that when my kid starts to bully other kids at school or starts to act violent (temper tantrums at worst case scenario, I just couldn't describe it), his punishment is to watch Kubrick's film adaptation of A Clockwork Orange.

Does that count?

 

[Pluvia's other account]

You get punished at school in America?? That's not happened from here since like the 70's.

Anyway corporal punishment is flawed, it's not as effective as people think. Hasn't anyone seen Supernanny? All her methods work, whereas hitting only works on a few people.

I think if a child sucks at life then it should be killed. As a utilitarian, it bothers me when people detract from the happiness of society.

That's a bit of a paradox, mass murder doesn't cause happiness.

 

[Gamer4Fire]

That's a bit of a paradox, mass murder doesn't cause happiness.

Yes it does, see Germany (1938-1944) for proof.

 

[Mic_128]

Yeah, that kinda caused a lot more unhappiness than happiness.

 

[Livvers]

What're you talking about Mic? That was a big ol' party!

 

[Red Exodus]

You get punished at school in America?? That's not happened from here since like the 70's.

Anyway corporal punishment is flawed, it's not as effective as people think. Hasn't anyone seen Supernanny? All her methods work, whereas hitting only works on a few people.

If you're referring to me, it wasn't in America, Corporal Punishment is still widely used in the Caribbean even though most people all over the world reject it. There have been discussions and debates about flogging but that's as far as it goes, no action has been taken.

I've watched Supernanny a few times, I'm surprised she even got through to some of those kids, some of them seemed to be so far gone.

 

[Omis]

If you're referring to me, it wasn't in America, Corporal Punishment is still widely used in the Caribbean even though most people all over the world reject it. There have been discussions and debates about flogging but that's as far as it goes, no action has been taken.

I've watched Supernanny a few times, I'm surprised she even got through to some of those kids, some of them seemed to be so far gone.

When you say flogging do you mean like spanking or what? I just cant imagine a teacher spanking a sixteen year old.

 

[Black Waltz]

When you say flogging do you mean like spanking or what? I just cant imagine a teacher spanking a sixteen year old.

I think flogging is another term for "whipping".

 

[Red Exodus]

I don't know how many different ways they do it, but went I last got flogged [2 years ago, when I was 15] they used a thick ruler on my butt. When I was younger they'd use rulers, bamboo sticks or other sticks from trees as long as they were flexible enough so it left more of a sting and they either hit you on your hand or your butt, I don't know how they choose between the two, they seem to do it on a whim.

I don't know how this is still happening is this day and age but I guess because this is a largely black society the believe that corporal punishment is the majority so it won't go away overnight. It doesn't mean that every black person agrees with it [I'm black and I completely disagree with it] but because of the "Old timer" mentality a lot of the older community has they often use the argument:

"I and many other well known and well respected people received corporal punishment and it made us better people."

When they bring up that point it pretty much ends the debate.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

"I and many other well known and well respected people received corporal punishment and it made us better people."

When they bring up that point it pretty much ends the debate.

That doesn't end the debate, it doesn't work on everyone. They shouldn't enforce it on you.