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Aesir

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I don't see anything wrong with pornography, if the woman wants to reveal her body in such a way like that then it's her body and she has every right to do so.

I've honestly never agreed with prostitution being illegal, it's just another law that'll always be broken. Lets face it's going to happen guys right? lets just accept that make it legal and tax it.
 

-Nana-

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Ok. I did I little research and found this article. Here are a few exceprts.

"one crucial question about pornography and violence concerns the conditions under which the women work in pornography. There is evidence that force and coercion are sometimes used to secure women's participation ( Lovelace, 1980, 1986),"

"As pornography has become more acceptable, both legally and culturally, the level of brutality toward, and degradation of, women has intensified ( Jensen, 2004). As one pornography director put it, "People just want it harder, harder, and harder...what are you gonna do next?" ( Adult Video News, 2003, p. 60). Another director was blunt in describing his task: "[O]ne of the things about today's porn and the extreme market, the gonzo market, so many fans want to see so much more extreme stuff that I'm always trying to figure out ways to do something different. But it seems everybody wants to see a girl doing a d.p. (double penetration) now or a gangbang. For certain girls, that's great, and I like to see that for certain people, but a lot of fans are becoming a lot more demanding about wanting to see the more extreme stuff. It's definitely brought porn somewhere, but I don't know where it's headed from there" (p. 46)."

It's fairly well known as well that some women do pornographic films for money simply because they have a drug/alcohol addiction of some sort, just like prostitution. How can you argue prostitution doesn't increase STD's? The same women sleep with different guys everynight for money of course they get STD's and it spreads. I will find a statistic for you in a minute. Here's another.

"( MacKinnon & Dworkin, 1997), my interviews with pornography users and sex offenders, and various other researchers' work, have led me to conclude that pornography can: (1) be an important factor in shaping a male-dominant view of sexuality; (2) be used to initiate victims and break down their resistance to unwanted sexual activity; (3) contribute to a user's difficulty in separating sexual fantasy and reality; and (4) provide a training manual for abusers"

It can clearly be proven Jam. Pornography messes people up. Again:

"And from three different men in my study who had been convicted of sex offenses ( Dines, Jensen, & Russo, 1998):
From a 34-year-old man who had ***** women and sexually abused girls: "There was a lot of oral sex that I wanted her to perform on me. There were, like, ways that would entice it in the movies, and I tried to use that on her, and it wouldn't work. Sometimes I'd get frustrated, and that's when I started hitting her. ...I used a lot of force, a lot of direct demands, that in the movies women would just cooperate. And I would demand stuff from her. And if she didn't, I'd start slapping her around"

Now this clearly does not prove to an end that porn increases violence or degredation of women or whatever but it is an example and shows that it's definately true. Of course not all people are affected in this way but enough are to the point where you can Google something about it and you'll find a plethora of articles, research done, interviews etc.
 

-Nana-

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I don't see anything wrong with pornography, if the woman wants to reveal her body in such a way like that then it's her body and she has every right to do so.

I've honestly never agreed with prostitution being illegal, it's just another law that'll always be broken. Lets face it's going to happen guys right? lets just accept that make it legal and tax it.
There's no reason it shouldn't be. Pornography is.
 

-Nana-

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Here's the statistics I said I would get:

In discussing STDs, it is important to distinguish between prostitution in America and in the Third World. Within countries like Thailand, prostitution unquestionably spreads even AIDS -- a relatively difficult STD to transmit. Consider the following excerpt from a yet-to-be published paper (reprinted with author's consent), "Globally, the incidence of HIV seropositivity among prostituted women is devastating. 58% of prostituted women in Burkina Faso, West Africa and 52% of Kenyan women in prostitution tested positive for HIV (Lankoande et a.l, 1988; Kaul et al., 1997)."

The PRM counters that: 1) American prostitutes are no more likely to be HIV infected than the normal female population because of widespread condom use; 2) the real vector of transmission is drug use; 3) criminalizing prostitution would increase infection by making prostitutes reluctant to seek medical information or assistance.

Nevertheless, the same paper claims, "Rates of HIV among U.S. prostituted women vary. For example, 57% in New Jersey. In Atlanta, Georgia -- 12% among women, 29% among men, and 68% among transgendered people in prostitution. (Elifson et al., 1999)."
 

_milktea

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FTTTT, you had me all impressed and everything. *Throws rock.* Even so, I'm impressed that you, on such a male-dominated community, stepped up to say that porn was gross. <3 Love.
 

Jam Stunna

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None of those articles prove that pornography is a causation for anything. All they're saying is that the problems you listed and pornography are correlated.

For comparative purposes, it would be like me saying, "Gun owners commit more murders". While that statement may be factually true, it would be a mistake to take that statistic and then say that guns cause violence. Guns are correlated to violence as a tool, not a cause. Likewise, viewing extreme pornography may be a symptom of dangerous sexual deviations or misogyny, but it is not a cause of such behavior.

Do you really think that 34 year-old man would have never ***** and killed if he'd never seen pornography?
 

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Haha don't worry...I was kidding.

Well, I would still love to, but I never have.

I love sex. Having sex is not my main goal in life, but I still love it.

It is natural.

It is beautiful.

It is fun for both parties!

I never objectify women. I do not take advantage of anyone. I am safe. I am not some horrible monster.

I enjoy making other people feel goooooooooooood :)
 

_milktea

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To add on to a tidbit Nana mentioned earlier, about porn somehow "correlating" to women being degraded or seen as valueless...*too lazy to find it and quote it.*

I was thinking today about how much more I can do to make myself more physically appealing, and it hit me, why is being so sexually attractive to the opposite sex such a priority to me and other women? To some women, it's far more important than even having morals in the first place, SIGH SIGH SIGH. Why why why. Knowing that the entire world sees you as nothing more than an object they'd like to **** rotten is a good thing D:? It gives us confidence, but whyy. I am in such an emo mood >_>;. Forgive me.

I should just go to sleep ;___;.
 

-Nana-

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None of those articles prove that pornography is a causation for anything. All they're saying is that the problems you listed and pornography are correlated.

For comparative purposes, it would be like me saying, "Gun owners commit more murders". While that statement may be factually true, it would be a mistake to take that statistic and then say that guns cause violence. Guns are correlated to violence as a tool, not a cause. Likewise, viewing extreme pornography may be a symptom of dangerous sexual deviations or misogyny, but it is not a cause of such behavior.

Do you really think that 34 year-old man would have never ***** and killed if he'd never seen pornography?
No I don't that's why I stated that they do not prove that pornogrphy is causatious to the acts people committed. That wasn't really my argument in the first place I said it was immoral and wrong and affects people which is does. Obviously the population affected would be viewers of pornographic material. One director stated clearly people keep constantly asking for more extreme scenarios....that doesn't show a degregated view towards women? Double penatration of a person isn't enough so the general viewer asks for more hardcore and extreme situations. The part about porn contributing to seperation from reality and fantasy is true and you will find that anywhere in countless articles.

And do I think that man did it because of his viewing of porn? No. But I do believe hebecame far more provoked to act in such a mysognistic and violent way because of the content and even if it only pushed him to act that way just slightly it still shows porn is "wrong" and morally demeaning. There is a reason that pornography was much, MUCH more acceptable to today's standards in the 50s and 60s and so on. Would it not make sense that the reason porn has become so intense and hardcore today is because that's what people want? There are so many sites that aren't just simply a woman showing her body and having sex with a man, but gross, perverted and violent things along with that. How doesn't that show a growing tolerance for degrading, violent and immoral acts done in pornography?
 

-Nana-

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To add on to a tidbit Nana mentioned earlier, about porn somehow "correlating" to women being degraded or seen as valueless...*too lazy to find it and quote it.*

I was thinking today about how much more I can do to make myself more physically appealing, and it hit me, why is being so sexually attractive to the opposite sex such a priority to me and other women? To some women, it's far more important than even having morals in the first place, SIGH SIGH SIGH. Why why why. Knowing that the entire world sees you as nothing more than an object they'd like to **** rotten is a good thing D:? It gives us confidence, but whyy. I am in such an emo mood >_>;. Forgive me.

I should just go to sleep ;___;.
Good question. Speaking of sleep I have work at 730...I'm down to 4 hours of sleep now whoo!
 

Jam Stunna

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To add on to a tidbit Nana mentioned earlier, about porn somehow "correlating" to women being degraded or seen as valueless...*too lazy to find it and quote it.*

I was thinking today about how much more I can do to make myself more physically appealing, and it hit me, why is being so sexually attractive to the opposite sex such a priority to me and other women? To some women, it's far more important than even having morals in the first place, SIGH SIGH SIGH. Why why why. Knowing that the entire world sees you as nothing more than an object they'd like to **** rotten is a good thing D:? It gives us confidence, but whyy. I am in such an emo mood >_>;. Forgive me.

I should just go to sleep ;___;.
You don't have to make yourself attractive to anyone. The fact that you do shows that you enjoy and value the attention that being attractive brings you, just like how all people do. Women are not the only ones who go out of their way to attract the attention of the opposite sex.

Physical appearance is a key part of self esteem. If you look good, you feel good. And objectification is an over-used term. One of your goals should be to appear physically appealing. What exactly would you be proving or accomplishing by walking around, looking plain?

Nana said:
No I don't that's why I stated that they do not prove that pornogrphy is causatious to the acts people committed. That wasn't really my argument in the first place I said it was immoral and wrong and affects people which is does.
This is a contradictory statement. Like I said, if you personally feel that pornography is morally wrong or visually unappealing, that's one thing. But you can't say that pornography is a cause of misogyny or violence, because the evidence does not exist to support that claim.
 

trademark0013

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I love sex. Having sex is not my main goal in life, but I still love it.

It is natural.

It is beautiful.

It is fun for both parties!

I never objectify women. I do not take advantage of anyone. I am safe. I am not some horrible monster.

I enjoy making other people feel goooooooooooood :)
*hi-*****-five*

so whats been going on in the ct thread? lets recap:

2 pages of FF7 vs FF6

2 pages of porn with a splash of sexual appeal(?)

Nana, why are you against porn exactly? i havent read anything bcause i'm tired as balls, but i garuntee you u have no valid arguments against it besides "morals"


dont i owe this thread an essay of some sort?

in closing, marth is gay and WoW is gay... and i play both of them... i hate my friends so much :(
and axel/chum cuz Type 2 = expensive
 

-Nana-

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About to go to work now my eyes burn. I'm so tired.

That statement is not contradictory. I said it affects people as in alters the situation as in they are more likely to act a certain way or view things a certain way though I'm sure there have been cases where porn caused people to view/act differently. I've given you examples where people admit it so you can't really say it's not backed up.
 

tarmacker

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I love Dazwa, in the midst of a giant pr0n battle hes posting Diddy freeze glitch, thanks for the info. Its pretty cool. I wonder if has anything to do with the footstool jump or whatever its called.
 

Laijin

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The way porn affects people is pretty similar to the way people are affected by almost anything. Through watching movies, people are affected in many ways. So not everything is going to always give out a completely positive effect.
 

Zombie Lucille Ball

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stop hitting me, Ricky
See I've never even heard of Opeth, and I just listened to them and I think they sound just like every other band in that genre. So does that mean I have bad musical taste? I don't think so...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otmtn3hvrkI
Folly is good hardcore and the sshhiitttttt
they're not so good.
http://www.myspace.com/lifeinyourway click on threads of sincerity. ct pride too
and I don't even like LIYW that much (tho they are friends of friends-as are about 90% of CT hardcore bands lol)
Well to name a few that are on the heavier side (since opeth is a relatively heavy band)

Earth Crisis, Between the Buried and Me, Shai Hulud, The Acacia Strain is alright. I don't know I find most heavy music to be immature it's like only for kids idk.

I really love bands like The Mars Volta, The Dear Hunter, The Grateful Dead, Moneen, (older) Deathcab for Cutie, Jimmy Eat World, At the Drive-in, Bob Dylan, The Beatles obviously. Too much to say. Yourself?
my friend plays guitar for Shai Hulud :)


Porn: I'd say a (strong) correlation is enough to find fault with something.
There are about a thousand reasons to not like it, as well...
 

Zombie Lucille Ball

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double post time!

You don't have to make yourself attractive to anyone. The fact that you do shows that you enjoy and value the attention that being attractive brings you, just like how all people do.
have you never met a girl with low self esteem or an eating disorder (MOST girls these days)? they don't enjoy anything about that.

Physical appearance is a key part of self esteem. If you look good, you feel good. And objectification is an over-used term. One of your goals should be to appear physically appealing. What exactly would you be proving or accomplishing by walking around, looking plain?
Wow I'm tempted to say that attitude is part of the problem...but in an ideal world yes that would work. Everyone would try their best to look good and no one would worry about what other people thought and everyone would be happy.
Unfortunately that's not how it works, and physical attractiveness for females has been twisted and warped and broken to such a point that it's almost impossible to feel good about yourself today. I won't speak for Lil but I'm no stranger to that ****.
 

-Nana-

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they're not so good.
http://www.myspace.com/lifeinyourway click on threads of sincerity. ct pride too
and I don't even like LIYW that much (tho they are friends of friends-as are about 90% of CT hardcore bands lol)

my friend plays guitar for Shai Hulud :)


Porn: I'd say a (strong) correlation is enough to find fault with something.
There are about a thousand reasons to not like it, as well...
This is the last thing I'm gonna say about this I'm done arguing over porn. He's right there are too many reasons to dislike it on so many levels.

Trademark- I have no valid argument? Ok sure. How can you say there's nothing wrong with it at all even if you watch it? Morals in quotations are you serious? What does that mean your questioning whether or not pornography is immoral? That's almost rock bottom as far as morality goes dude there are plenty of reasons to be against it I said enough if you want to know what I think about it read what I said.

Cog do you know On Three at all?
 

drSuper

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listen to metal fingers
they're not so good.
http://www.myspace.com/lifeinyourway click on threads of sincerity. ct pride too
and I don't even like LIYW that much (tho they are friends of friends-as are about 90% of CT hardcore bands lol)
oh my...I don't know how you can say folly isn't so great. I think they're one of the better not-well-known bands. Perhaps it's just because they're from my area and I grew up going to a lot of their shows, and have met them on various occasions
Either way their random syncopated ska breakdowns are one of my favorite things. Very few bands outside this area even attempt this. Rather most just drop to D and play the same riff found in hundreds of other songs.

Have you heard The Flaming Tsunamis? They're local, and I think they're pretty awesome especially live.
No matter how a band sounds on the computer, it does not compute to the energy at their live show. Which is what makes or breaks a band I feel (sadly the populous culture disagrees)

_______

On porn: I think laijin was correct in saying it effects everybody differently, and was can be said about one person may be completely different for another. I don't believe it is a horrible thing that is a downfall of society. We are animals after all, and a dog humping a pillow isn't all that different. If dogs and cats had the ability to take pictures I wouldnt be all that surprised to see kitty porn behind the litter box XD

Also there are different levels of pornography. Theres naked sculptures and pictures in museums from brilliant accident societies, and then theres the truck stop with 25 cent viewing booths. Although both may be a result of lusting over women's bodies, they are completely different from one another. Porn can be beauty or the beast in that case. I'll stop here
 

Zombie Lucille Ball

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oh my...I don't know how you can say folly isn't so great. I think they're one of the better not-well-known bands. Perhaps it's just because they're from my area and I grew up going to a lot of their shows, and have met them on various occasions
Either way their random syncopated ska breakdowns are one of my favorite things. Very few bands outside this area even attempt this. Rather most just drop to D and play the same riff found in hundreds of other songs.

Have you heard The Flaming Tsunamis? They're local, and I think they're pretty awesome especially live.
No matter how a band sounds on the computer, it does not compute to the energy at their live show. Which is what makes or breaks a band I feel (sadly the populous culture disagrees)
The random ska breakdowns are unique but I don't think they fit so well, and being unique isn't enough to be great. I mean other than the random ska breakdowns they sounded like every other riff/breakdown/riff HC band. Honestly I could do without 99% of modern hardcore.
I maintain that the most interesting hardcore band of the past 5-10 years is the Blood Brothers.

_______

On porn: I think laijin was correct in saying it effects everybody differently, and was can be said about one person may be completely different for another. I don't believe it is a horrible thing that is a downfall of society. We are animals after all, and a dog humping a pillow isn't all that different. If dogs and cats had the ability to take pictures I wouldnt be all that surprised to see kitty porn behind the litter box XD

Also there are different levels of pornography. Theres naked sculptures and pictures in museums from brilliant accident societies, and then theres the truck stop with 25 cent viewing booths. Although both may be a result of lusting over women's bodies, they are completely different from one another. Porn can be beauty or the beast in that case. I'll stop here
Porn is created for masturbation. For people to get off looking at it. That's it. Do not try and compare ancient or even modern art that features nudes to something that's designed and created solely for lust.
 

-Nana-

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[/QUOTE]
Porn is created for masturbation. For people to get off looking at it. That's it. Do not try and compare ancient or even modern art that features nudes to something that's designed and created solely for lust.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.
 

DarkDragoon

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Porn is created for masturbation. For people to get off looking at it. That's it. Do not try and compare ancient or even modern art that features nudes to something that's designed and created solely for lust.
>_> QFT!
Although some of those art pieces were made for lust too :3.
-DD
 

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Porn is created for masturbation. For people to get off looking at it. That's it. Do not try and compare ancient or even modern art that features nudes to something that's designed and created solely for lust.
I'm not necessarily pro-porn (though I do watch it from time-to-time), but I will say this:

If any of the Greco-Roman societies back wayyyyyyy before our times had a method to record their endeavors via film, they would have no doubt preserved many of their orgiastic exploits. As to whether they would intellectualize it and broadcast it to the rest of society, who knows? I'm not saying Cog is wrong, per se, but DD also had a point about some of the work being created for that purpose. Artistic purity, sometimes, is a blanket concept that masks some of our basest impulses (though as a writer I can honestly say that there are moments in time where it does actually exist, especially when it comes to our line of work. No doubt anybody else in the thread shares a similar perspective).

It's morally reprehensible, sure, but I hold porn in the same regard as somebody willing to imbibe narcotics: If you wanna **** with your body, it is YOUR right to do so. Nobody should stop you from getting shafted by Joe Blow in an adult movie because it is your choice. Horrible, HORRIBLE exceptions to this do exist (i.e. child slave rings and what not) but I am talking about the people who, while down-and-out, have the ability to make a choice. Just because these down-and-out people make the decisions to sell their body doesn't necessarily make them disgusting creatures, either. It's their choice, it's their lifestyle---if it screws them over in the long run, so be it. They took a gamble.

That's my two cents.

Smooth Criminal
 
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