Complete roster revealed? It was true!!!! (Except for Falcon/Olimar swap)

[PrettyGoodYear]

^^^^^^3 more days.

 

[Agosta44]

^^^^^^3 more days.

Quoted for Truth

 

[Boofer]

My only bit of hope is the possibility that the leakers did not see all of the characters. Perhaps the full roster screen that they saw was not actually the final. PortraitOfRuin's character select (no, not the mock-up) leak had Bowser and Wolf in random spots. All of the characters before Bowser were lined-up just like the mock-up. Really though, it was Wolf's random placement that messed it up, because if he were to be placed under the rest of the SF characters, he would have shifted all of the other characters to the right to form perfect columns, just like the mock-up.

*thinks this post will get ignored just like all of my other posts about POR's select screen*

 

[Revven]

Anyone else just really want a newcomer to be announced that proves this roster wrong?

I know it's been gone over time and time again but 35 characters is too small a roster. The cynics that make up Smashboards all seem to want to be believe it because they're sadistic nutjobs (I mean that in a good way of course...) but it just don't seem right.

We've had a confirmed starting roster of this:

1. Mario
2. Bowser
3. Peach
4. Donkey Kong
5. Diddy Kong
6. Yoshi
7. Wario
8. Link
9. Zelda/Sheik
10. Kirby
11. Meta Knight
12. King Dedede
13. Pikachu
14. Pokemon Trainer
15. Fox
16. Samus/Zero Suit Samus
17. Ike
18. Lucas
19. Pikmin & Olimar
20. Ice Climbers
21. Pit

... which is a huuuuuge starting roster really. Sakurai has said from the beginning and right up to these Iwata Asks interviews that he has made this game like his last Smash game and therefore stuffed with gaming glory. Kirby representation has been tripled people. More and more unique fascinating characters are cropping their heads up.

But suddenly a theory has cropped up out of no where and people are taking it like the word of God (alternatively, for atheists, like the word of, erm, err, what do you believe again?) and running around with "the end is nigh!" posters around their chest and crumpled up aluminium foil hats on their heads.

35 = WRONG. The theory is wrong.
2 3rd parties = WRONG. The theory is wrong.
R.O.B = a cool idea so get over it, hope that you're part of the correct side of this WRONG theory.
Geno = IN.
Ridley = IN.

Get over it cynics and naysayers. And try and think a little bit more positively, yeah?

Your username speaks so highly of your positive attitude.

I really believe that we won't be getting anymore third parties and if we do, it's by complete luck. Sorry, but, I just don't see Geno making it much less, Megaman after what's been said for the past couple of weeks. And this isn't just a "theory", it's backed up by two NeoGAFers who have a reputation in the whole fighting community and gaming industry that wouldn't put their reps at stake just to have a laugh. It could be half right and could be half wrong, things could've changed since they saw the roster. But, if Wolf and Falco are there it proves they were right all along even if we don't get 35 characters.

21 starters... to get to 35 you'd need to unlock 14 more characters. Sounds about right to me. SSB had you unlock four characters with a total of twelve. Melee had you unlock 11 characters with a total of 25 characters. Brawl has you unlock 14 characters with a total of 35. Makes sense to me and certainly isn't too little when you go through the trilogy of unlockables.

 

[Saltwater Gem]

My only bit of hope is the possibility that the leakers did not see all of the characters. Perhaps the full roster screen that they saw was not actually the final. PortraitOfRuin's character select (no, not the mock-up) leak had Bowser and Wolf in random spots. All of the characters before Bowser were lined-up just like the mock-up. Really though, it was Wolf's random placement that messed it up, because if he were to be placed under the rest of the SF characters, he would have shifted all of the other characters to the right to form perfect columns, just like the mock-up.

*thinks this post will get ignored just like all of my other posts about POR's select screen*

Ganondorf was placed next to Captain Falcon in Melee...

 

[Okysho]

this thread is silly, the roster shown is obviously fake (as stated in the first post) so then why is there so much support for this roster? It's fake... what the crap?

 

[ShortFuse]

this thread is silly, the roster shown is obviously fake (as stated in the first post) so then why is there so much support for this roster? It's fake... what the crap?

Read "debunking the theory" #3

 

[Testament27]

its funny how it clearly says MOCK UP as in NOT REAL, yet so many people say its fake look at the picture.
cmon fellas, READ.

anywayz, the only thing that throws me off is the R.O.B. thus far on the dojo, we have had a char confirmation and then that char begins to appear in screenshots in other updates. my thing is we have known R.O.B. is in the game since the first subspace update. why would he make him a playable char after we know he is in? i know i cant articulate what im trying to say very well, but if someone understands me plz elaborate.

 

[courte]

i don't believe anyone recognizes this as true, unless they work as sakurai's ball cleaner... y'know when he goes golfing with miyamoto and iwata and he pops his golf balls in the guy/girls mouth and the come out nice and sparkly

and smashboards=insanity

 

[Gumshoe87]

Yeah the whole R.O.B thing doesn't sit well with me either. If you look back at the enemies update fro subspace it says that some R.O.B s fire beams while others fire missiles....seriously you are going to waste a character space with that!? We already have missile and beams and that stuff, if you were going to have another Star Fox xharacter why wouldn't you want something original like Krystal?!

btw I know that R.O.B isn't the same as ROOB 64 from Star Fox, but everyone is saying that the PC is R.O.B and not ROB

 

[Saltwater Gem]

Shortfuse, check your PM

 

[LucidDreamGod]

Having all the evidence before me I'd say I'm 90% sure it's real, maybe even more so.

 

[NeoZ]

Having all the evidence before me I'd say I'm 90% sure it's real, maybe even more so.

With the same evidence I can say it's 100% fake, just look at the first page(not 1st post).

 

[Icetrash]

This list is fake because my favorite character, king k.rool, isn't on the list

 

[mezbomber]

This list is fake because my favorite character, king k.rool, isn't on the list

the list is fake because it doesn't have my favorite character Pikachu on the list...oh wait. My favorite character's on the list. ZOMG!! LIST CONFIRMED!!!

 

[SuperLink9]

All the other prophets are dropping one by one... this one could be real afterall

3 days guys, not long now... Personally I'm in stage 4. Acceptance. Sonic's in it, Olimar's in it, Ness is probably returning...

If the 35 is true, then the 41 stages is also probably true...

Pretty good.

 

[Sairou]

Looks like our mystery video leaker has been proven a fraud in this video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QlOAWgGI7bo

This means that although we know the starting roster, the order of the roster may or may not correspond to the one in the fake video leak. This means that the mock-up roster has lost some credit! =D

 

[Shuma]

We already knew he was fake... at least i did.

 

[madleviathan]

God ****it...isn't there ANYTHING that can disprove this roster?

Japanese Serebii...WHY HAVE YOU FAILED US?!

 

[Revven]

With the same evidence I can say it's 100% fake, just look at the first page(not 1st post).

What evidence are you reading? I guess you don't know about Reno and Markman then with NyaseNya added into the mix with a side of Serebii and ChaosZero.

Looks like our mystery video leaker has been proven a fraud in this video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QlOAWgGI7bo

This means that although we know the starting roster, the order of the roster may or may not correspond to the one in the fake video leak. This means that the mock-up roster has lost some credit! =D

Doesn't prove anything nor make the 35 character roster go down at all. Famitsu confirmed the starting roster we saw in that first video he made. It could very well still line up perfectly regardless of whether or not that video is true.

This proves nor debunks anything.

The 35 character roster is debunk-proof, you cannot simply debunk it before release. Stop trying already. kthxbi.

EDIT: I see the may now... you can disregard some of the tone of this post. It's early morning for me so I'm slightly tired.

 

[Psbl_lkr]

Only way this leak is true that this isn't the whole truth! These is chance that all those make in and loads of other character come along with them, from unrevealed series of course.

 

[DekuBoy]

If Ridley, Krystal and Mewtwo were there it would be fine.

 

[Coselm]

We shall know soon enough...

I doubt this is true because it is entirely based off of a possibly fake nine second video and possibly fake roster.

But if it was true I wouldn't be disappointed.

 

[Boofer]

Ganondorf was placed next to Captain Falcon in Melee...

But he was also directly above Young Link, so it made sense. I don't see what you're getting at.

 

[White_Lightning]

What evidence are you reading? I guess you don't know about Reno and Markman then with NyaseNya added into the mix with a side of Serebii and ChaosZero.



Doesn't prove anything nor make the 35 character roster go down at all. Famitsu confirmed the starting roster we saw in that first video he made. It could very well still line up perfectly regardless of whether or not that video is true.

This proves nor debunks anything.

The 35 character roster is debunk-proof, you cannot simply debunk it before release. Stop trying already. kthxbi.

EDIT: I see the may now... you can disregard some of the tone of this post. It's early morning for me so I'm slightly tired.

So how do we know the guy who posted the third video is the same as the one who posted the first? I can already see the videos were uploaded by different Youtube accounts, or is there something I didn't read about?

 

[Trophyhunter]

Guys the roster is fake ROB 64 is not in it okay adn don't say oh but Star Fox 64 is where he first appeared and thats in da masterpice section!!!111 okay the Master Piece section uses the games on the VC Star Fox 64's the only star fox game on the VC so far.

 

[soviet prince]

I am starting to suspect the ancient minister is ROB

 

[Pandanda]

I call BS on this roster for the fact that there are only 3 newcomers in the unlockables.

Surely Sakurai would put more effort into the secret character lineup than that.

 

[smash_lord1050]

its most likely fake.

 

[Wyvern]

I'm not sure about the theory as a whole, but I think the nine-second video can be declared definitively false now. Look at this demo video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c45h8cCMd4I

Note that the announcer declares the name of the characters when they are selected.

Of course, in the nine-second video, there is no announcer on the character select screen. Pit shouts out some random phrase that just so happened to also be in a commercial a few days before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VxrQiCz4_o

In addition to plain old common sense, we now have actual proof that the announcer continues to be responsible for declaring the characters, like in previous games. Why is a generic shout used instead of the announcer's voice in the video? Because we've never heard the announcer say Pit's name and it would have been impossible to fake. Every last sound effect could have been recycled (the "Vs...Link!" voice is almost painfully recycled given how similar it is to the Melee announcer), and the visuals, while very elaborate, are all things that could have been faked with sufficient skill (like the Link screen being from the Dojo...any talented animator could have segmented and animated that if they wanted to). Every aspect of the video ranges from "suspicious" to "almost definitely fake", nothing in it serves as definite proof, and it's been a week and the only other videos we've seen are obvious fakes. I see no reason left to give any further consideration to the nine-second video, aside from applauding its creator for the talent involved in its fabrication.

Seeing as how half of the reason everyone believes in the 35-theory so much is "OMG THE ORDER IS THE SAME AS IN THE VIDEO", I'd say this is pretty significant. Hell, it could have been faked specifically to corroborate those very rumors (why else go through so much effort?).

 

[Pandanda]

I'm not sure about the theory as a whole, but I think the nine-second video can be declared definitively false now. Look at this demo video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c45h8cCMd4I

Note that the announcer declares the name of the characters when they are selected.

Of course, in the nine-second video, there is no announcer on the character select screen. Pit shouts out some random phrase that just so happened to also be in a commercial a few days before.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VxrQiCz4_o

That's already been pointed out in other threads, but I honestly found that pretty suss too. I watched the 'leak' and thought 'hey cool, the characters speak when selected.' But I thought about it later and realised the announcer said their names when they were selected in the E4All vids.

 

[CapnJack]

The 35 character roster is debunk-proof, you cannot simply debunk it before release. Stop trying already. kthxbi.

Hahahaha, the truth is, the supporters of this silly rumour are logic-proof. As in, you guys support leak no matter how much evidence is standing against it.

Of the evidence against it:

- Sakurai, Iwata, and others claiming how massive the roster is.
- The EXTREME unlikely hood of ROB (Just read the newest part of Iwata Asks. ROB is clearly too simple of a character to be anything more than an Assist Trophy, but even that is unlikely)
- Why was ShortFuse SO adamant about this in the first place? Because the mock-up roster made the alleged "leaked starting roster" line up reasonably.


You guys are just developing a theory based on RUMOURS from a bunch of "prophets". You can't put 5 different "leakers" together and believe that what they are saying is likely. The amount of fail in that logic is so unbelievably ridiculous.


But I'm glad you guys are letting your hopes down, you'll be pleasantly surprised soon.

 

[blayde_axel]

- Why was ShortFuse SO adamant about this in the first place? Because the mock-up roster made the alleged "leaked starting roster" line up reasonably.

Because Marth was in it. No joke. lol.

But yeah, the reason this is "debunk-proof" is because it can't be proven wrong... because there's so little concrete evidence either way. So, no matter what we say, you can always say, "Well, you're not Sakurai! You don't know!"

 

[Starphoenix]

Hahahaha, the truth is, the supporters of this silly rumour are logic-proof. As in, you guys support leak no matter how much evidence is standing against it.

Of the evidence against it:

- Sakurai, Iwata, and others claiming how massive the roster is.
- The EXTREME unlikely hood of ROB (Just read the newest part of Iwata Asks. ROB is clearly too simple of a character to be anything more than an Assist Trophy, but even that is unlikely)
- Why was ShortFuse SO adamant about this in the first place? Because the mock-up roster made the alleged "leaked starting roster" line up reasonably.


You guys are just developing a theory based on RUMOURS from a bunch of "prophets". You can't put 5 different "leakers" together and believe that what they are saying is likely. The amount of fail in that logic is so unbelievably ridiculous.


But I'm glad you guys are letting your hopes down, you'll be pleasantly surprised soon.

Unless it is Megaman AND Wolf, no I will not be suprised. Plus you forget it is not some random prophet looking for fame; these are respected leakers who have proven themselves true and have absolutely NO reason to lie, especially at the cost of what they will go through. NyaseNya, Reno, Markman, PortraitOfRuin, all of them even Serebii said he cannot disconfirm it!

Also, about R.O.B; you have to consider the fact that there could be a bigger playable version of R.O.B.

Spoiler

It has been speculated that the Ancient Minister is a R.O.B

, so right now he has as much of a shot as anyone.

 

[blayde_axel]

Spoiler

It has been speculated that the Ancient Minister is a R.O.B

, so right now he has as much of a shot as anyone.

Wait, what?! How in the bloody hell does this make sense?

Seriously? Please. Explain this speculation to me. Spoiler it just in case.

 

[rykall]

R.O.B. the accessory can be collected by the trophy stand item as a generic enemy is SSE. OUT!

R.O.B. 64 can be seen collected in the Coin Launcher mini game.. OUT...

Here's a pic for the last one:

Yeah, but... Isn't the Dragoon also on that pic?

 

[blayde_axel]

Yeah, but... Isn't the Dragoon also on that pic?

Comparing a possible character to an... item?

Yeah...

 

[Starphoenix]

Wait, what?! How in the bloody hell does this make sense?

Seriously? Please. Explain this speculation to me. Spoiler it just in case.

Spoiler

Well it has to do with this picture:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/CloakedShadow/robministeroverlayc5292zw8.jpg

It is kind of weird how it lines up with the body and everything, and no one really knows how, where or why this picture came into beint it just did. Also, it is speculated that the fact that there are R.O.Bs everywhere where he goes that it goes to prove that he may be the head R.O.B. Hence he could be playable.

 

[blayde_axel]

Spoiler

Well it has to do with this picture:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v322/CloakedShadow/robministeroverlayc5292zw8.jpg

It is kind of weird how it lines up with the body and everything, and no one really knows how, where or why this picture came into beint it just did. Also, it is speculated that the fact that there are R.O.Bs everywhere where he goes that it goes to prove that he may be the head R.O.B. Hence he could be playable.

But they have smaller eyes... Check out the Enemies from Subspace image of them.

 

[Starphoenix]

But they have smaller eyes... Check out the Enemies from Subspace image of them.

I know, but because he may be a bigger, stronger playable version of R.O.B that may be why his eyes are different.