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The top 20 and rest of top 50 have been confirmed by player cardsLumirank dropped their first video on the LumiRank 2024.2 rankings. As usual, parenthesis denote secondaries.
41st: Sin
42nd: Peabnut
43rd: M0tsunabE
44th: Sisqui
45th: Shirayuki
46th: AlanDiss
47th: Fui
48th: Jahzz0
49th: 33peranBOX
50th: Lvl. 1
HM: Lea
HM: Dabuz
HM: zackray
As a reminder: honorable mentions are basically players that would've likely made a specific section of the rankings if they had more attendance, but they did not have enough attendance to qualify for the rankings.
Dabuz is a special case for the entire rankings, as he initially planned on attending just enough events to not meet the attendance requirements (guess he didn't feel like getting ranked this season ¯\(ツ)/¯ ); however, the changes to the requirements mid-season meant that he had inadvertently attended enough to qualify. LumiRank team treated it as a special circumstance and allowed him to opt out.
Lea is another special case for the entire rankings, as he missed out on being a Top 50 HM, but was grouped with them anyway due to only being 0.04 points behind #50.
LumiRank 2024.2 Release Schedule and Honorable Mentions - Luminosity
It’s that time of the year again. Welcome to LumiRank 2024.2, the definitive Super Smash Bros. Ultimate ranking for the second half of 2024. Join us in celebrating the 50 players who set themselves apart from the field as some of the strongest in the game right now.
Here are the rankings for 51-100 and 101-150, with their respective honorable mentions.
51st: chicken
52nd: Kome
53rd: Nyonoknb
54th: Candle
55th: crêpe salée
56th: Toriguri
57th: Gorioka
58th: Jogibu
59th: Akio
60th: Skeleton
61st: Tsuna
62nd: HaunterGV
63rd: Yamanaction
64th: RIMU
65th: Carmelo
66th: Mr. E
67th: MildnaH.O
68th: Anarchy
69th: Umeki
70th: Raflow
71st: Shion
72nd: uame
73rd: MuteAce
74th: Ouch!?
75th: Luugi
76th: TM7_ZAP
77th: MKBigBoss
78th: Eik
79th: Karaage
80th: Monte
81st: drybie
82nd: Neo
83rd: Just Blue
84th: ElleGo
85th: Miko
86th: Bruho
87th: Tas
88th: Yone_pi
89th: Supahsemmie
90th: Nao
91st: Goblin
92nd: AndresFn
93rd: DieGorou
94th: Ocha
95th: Mao
96th: Leaf
97th: Tarik
98th: kept
99th: Beastly
100th: tamiego
HM: Toura
HM: Guilheww
HM: Rox
HM: Moe
HM: Dynamite
HM: quiK
HM: Ploopy101st: Tsubaki
102nd: Furararamen
103rd: Kurofune
104th: omega
105th: Reno
106th: mzk
107th: PkChris
108th: yuzu
109th: tomisa
110th: Kuroponzu
111th: Noi
112th: Dominator
113th: Marcos
114th: syadou
115th: Gachipi
116th: Chase
117th: Kuhaku
118th: Omuatsu
119th: Gackt
120th: Shupi
121st: Shinnnnnji
122nd: Oryon
123rd: Romeo Santos
124th: PeW
125th: Malk
126th: Endothia
127th: IcyMist
128th: ATATA
129th: Leon
130th: SPARKLE
131st: NaetorU
132nd: AwDaSea
133rd: JDV
134th: Wolfen
135th: Niyae
136th: Futari no Kiwami Ah~
137th: Chag
138th: Free KayFlock
139th: sssr
140th: Akari Mizunashi
141st: Tsumusuto
142nd: Raarchyor
143rd: Ryopei
144th: Jakal
145th: Sonido
146th: JeJeJeJa
147th: Lax
148th: LiiMac
149th: Soar
150th: Mezcaul
HM: Leaf
HM: Many
HM: Bobo
HM: Char
HM: Xerzal
HM: Space
HM: ΩRugal
HM: LittN!
HM: Ogatou
HM: Skinny the Pooh
As of right now, the only characters in the game not represented in the rankings as a main or secondary are:
If HMs are excluded, then the list will include:
If secondaries are excluded, then the list will include:
Now obviously
I am 50/50 on whether or not Lumirank will count Miya's secondary
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You know they weren't supposed to come out at this time, right? They released early and now you leaked them.
Oh really? I was simply looking at their website and noticed that it was there, so I assume it is public knowledge now.
vs Dabuz vs Hurt vs Wrath vs MkLeo
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doesn't seem to have ended with how many upset's Luigikid64 made. Wins over players like MuteAce and Tilde are quite nice. The breakout run of the tourney honestly. Just gonna say that Luigi is a really good character despite his exploitable disadvantage state and recovery, and Raru has figured out how to deal with some of Luigi's bad matchups. I don't really think touch of death characters can really be bad in Ultimate because there's just times where if a player makes a single error like misspacing an attack, suddenly they get hit and take a lot of damage or lose their stock. Punish games are getting really important in Ultimate overall so those characters just get better and better.
Play someI'm bored so I'm going to throw out some hot takes. I think
Sword Fighter is really bad. The devs tried to make him a jack of all trades but he ends up being worse at any specific thing than the characters who specialize in it. His zoning is really underwhelming, his swordplay is slow and not particularly powerful or oppressive. He's just an all around underwhelming character.
Everyone knows why Mac is bad. I've been watching a lot of games by Peanut and Major, the best Mac and Ganon players, respectively. With Ganon's terrible recovery it's hard to put him above anyone but Mac's recovery is almost as bad and he's a lot lighter. Mac gets gimped or even outright KOed so easily I think he has overall worse survivability than Ganon. Mac's KO punch gets hit out of him so easily that he rarely lands it. A lot of MUs seem hopeless for Mac.
Ganon's still really bad but he can be more oppressive than the other two characters. His attacks are huge and hit super hard so he's actually really scary in advantage. The meta is leaning more toward strong advantages than strong neutrals: look at DK's rise.
please. He really isn't even bottom 10. Mostly lacks kill power, but if you know how to use him, he's good. Still 100% the WORST Mii character though, by far. I'd say he's bottom 20ish, maybe bottom 15.
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This list should certainly be taken with a grain of salt but it does shed some light on discussions we've had in this thread. Luigi vs Kazuya for example. Luigi has been pulling ahead lately but Kazuya still has better results. That could change in the future but it's hard to predict trends. Kazuya might not have as good a player as Raru but he has more lower rank results. He's definitely someone who's doing good all over.Been a quiet week in Ultimate, since this weekend's tournaments have been B tiers.
Instead, I found an interesting article by Luminosity earlier this month (posted back at January 9th).
It is a tier list based purely on results and it ranges from October 2021 (when Sora released) to December 2024 (last month).
Smash Ultimate Results-Based Tier List: December 2024 - Luminosity
Welcome to Luminosity’s Official Results-Based Tier List for December 2024, presented by LG Schu.
S+
S
S-
A+
A-
B+
B-
C+
C-
D
F
I personally don't hold much weight into this list, since it covers such a wide date range and the meta has evolved so much in the past year that it is almost unrecognizable from the early portion of this date range, but I think it is interesting enough to warrant a bit of discussion.
the last couple tournaments. Although Link does seem like a strait downgrade from Wario. IMO Link's a solid mid tier but he struggles from poor mobility and frame data. He has some good things going for him like excellent offstage intercepting with arrows and bombs and the best ledge trapping of the Links. Unfortunately he struggles with similar issues as other big sword characters like needing space to activate his slow cuts. He's generally best as a zoner who uses his big sword and projectiles to force approaches then walls the opponent before they can get close enough to do damage. Unfortunately there are a good many characters who can destroy this gameplan like Falco who has a reflector and laser that can nullify Link's projectile game. Shiek and Fox can be hard because they can slip in and vortex Link and Link doesn't have good options to escape. Then their are characters who simply have a better midrange game like the little Links and Minmin who force Link to approach, which he is not good at. Furthermore, Link lacks the sauce to makeup for his shortcomings; his damage is okay but not great and his kill power isn't outrageous like top tiers. He's a fun character to play but if Glutonny is looking to win he should look elsewhere.
According to some of his streams, Gluto's Link is the character he has the most fun with outside of Wario and he feels content enough with his placings that he wants to try and push another character to the highest level. From what I'm getting, he knows Link isn't THAT good compared to Wario but doesn't really care? Although he did say he's going full Wario for Genesis so he probably won't bring out the Link at a supermajor for a long time if ever.It's interesting Glutonny has been going
vs Hurt vs Luugi vs Zomba vs Tweek
I had a sneaking suspicion it was going to be released right after Genesis X2 lol (for reference, the previous list was dropped the day before Genesis X).The third official tier list dropped
There are a lot of things I find weird about this list but I'll just go over the biggest. 1st why is Minmin so high? What has she ever done? It's weird to see her above characters like Cloud, which brings me to 2, Cloud's underrate as sword characters tend to be. I realize Cloud only really has spargo but he should definitely be top tier. He's below characters like Yoshie ffs. 3 I disagree with Toon Link above Young Link. Neither have done much but I think YL has a lot of tools TL lacks but I already went over that in a previous post. 4 I think Krool and Ike are both criminally underate; I'd put them both 2 tiers higher but I'm sounding like a broken record at this point. Weight in general is an underrated character trait and therefor heavyweights are often slightly underrated. Is Bowser really 2 tiers worse than DK? I could nitpick a lot but that's the gist of it.The third official tier list dropped
One of the Japanese players who thinks Kazuya is #1 is acola.
Oh, that's interesting, especially since acola has a Kazuya himself but hasn't used him in nearly two years.
Raru won 2 majors and a supermajor in 2024 with the character, and he and other Luigi players have been placing top 8 consistently in major events throughout the 2nd half of the year.
Doramigi was ranked 11th on the most recent LumiRank, and he won two majors with solo Min Min (Sumabato SP 54 and Sumabato SP 49). ProtoBanham has also gotten good results with Min Min in the past (though he also used Lucina). Omuatsu is also fairly notable, 118th LumiRank 2024 season 2 and 83rd 2024 season 1. There's also Justice who got 149th on the 2024 season 1 LumiRank. Dabuz also got some results with her as a secondary.
Isn't Min Min doing better in Japan than Roy is? And what is Cloud even doing in Japan? Other than Sparg0 the character doesn't seem to be doing too much, and Sparg0 doesn't even seem to believe the character is top 10.
This kind of logic could also be said about Luigi, for example, who isn't top tier. He's just A+ tier and he's gotten a tidal wave of results lately. Like I said, there are about 20-25 characters deserving of top 15. Minmin's the one the tier list chose. It could easily have been Luigi up there in S- tier instead of Minmin and he'd have been just as deserving. The tiers are largely based on player perception.
Yes, I get the impression that many people voting are going by what feels correct to them rather than trying to systematically look at various results etc for each characters (which would be time intensive and wouldn't necessarily result in a better tier list anyways).
I think it's fairly clear that there's a noticeable gap between Japan and the US, and a noticeable gap between the US and Europe. The US was long considered the #1 region in Smash games (seems to still be the #1 region in Melee), but it is no longer the case in Ultimate. Europe, with France in particular, is catching up a bit to the US but I would still say there's a noticeable gap between the US and Europe. The gap between the US and Europe has long been acknowledge, and we should also acknowledge that there's a noticeable gap between Japan and the US. Currently, 54 of the top 100 are Japanese (55 if you count Neo, although he's currently living in Indonesia). US? 24. Mexico? 6. Canada? 3 (Riddles, Ouch, and Anarchy). Europe 9 (France 3, Germany 2, Spain 2, the Netherlands 1, the UK 1). And then one from the Dominican Republic (Sonix) and two from Guatemala (ShinyMark and Haunter). Even if you want to lump NA together as one region (which I find questionable*) it seems that it's plausible that Japan is stronger than NA (going by LumiRank, 55 Japanese players vs 36 NA). I don't think we should disregard what is happening in the US, Mexico, Canada, France etc, but Japan is currently the #1 region by quite some margin and it makes sense that our main attention should be on what's happening in Japan (although it's understandable that many people prefer watching tournaments with commentary in English and not all Japanese tournaments have English commentary, so I understand why so many prefer watching US majors over Japanese majors).
