Community Create-A-Team: A New Start - Yanmega!

[Wave⁂]

Sure, why not.

Also, you should mention in the first post that the other team members are yet to be decided upon, and Starmie's lack of Stealth Rock can be worked around.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Will do, and I'll be using your descriptions. Thanks.

Instead of just a real poll I'm going to...yeah you'll see soon enough.

-Terywj

 

[mood4food77]

starmie's lack of SR can be made up for with, for example, swampert
the grass weakness is okay because yanmega can easily switch into any grass move and threaten with bug buzz/air slash

 

[UltiMario]

Since almost regardless of what lead wins Leadrachi are going to be a problem.

I vote we have Scarfzone on this team. When Jirachi tricks that scarf Turn one, it gets tricked a Scarf back and now is trapped doing NOTHING. Zone then removes Rachi from existance.

Works out just as well if Rachi gets locked into Iron Head.

 

[mood4food77]

we'll need a rock resist, lucario would be good choice as it double resists rock moves that yanmega would attract

 

[Wave⁂]

Lucario isn't someone I'd go to as a Rock-type resist, since it gets eaten up by the Quake part of QuakeEdge.

Machamp or Breloom (Cuteloom?).

 

[kirbyraeg]

I don't really want to say this, but swampert would be a good rock resist, mostly to help deal with tyranitar, get rocks up later in the game, and provide some kind of minimum insurance vs. ddmence as well as baiting out grass attacks for yanmega.

 

[Bowser_Gangsta]

So with the Starmie lead ScarfTar is pretty much a new member of the Team now? They seem pretty peanut butter and jelly together.

 

[mood4food77]

scarftar will hurt yanmega more than it would help the team
we're trying to build this around yanmega

and i forgot about the little quake-edge bit, breloom would make a great partner and we'd probably use swampert after that

so basically what people could be saying is this

Starmie
Yanmega
Swampert/Tyranitar (I'm more for Swampert)
Breloom/Machamp (I'm more for Breloom)

 

[Wave⁂]

We need a ScarfRotom counter.

SCARFTAR

Oh wait.

 

[kirbyraeg]

I did some calcs for leadMie, these might help choose its movepool and item:

Expert Belt vs. Life Orb:

Expert Belt Grass Knot vs. 252 HP Swampert: 95.05%-112.87%
Expert Belt Surf vs. Azelf: 61.92%-72.95
Expert Belt Hydro Pump vs. Azelf: 78.29%-92.17%
Expert Belt Surf vs. LeadGross: 39.01% - 46.15% (no 2hko)
Expert Belt Hydro Pump vs. LeadGross: 48.90% - 57.97% (likely 2hko, but not guaranteed)
Expert Belt Surf vs. LeadTran: 91.95%-108.98% (roughly 50% chance to 1hko, but irrelevant as far as the lead matchup goes). Anything stronger is a guaranteed 1hko.
Expert Belt Surf vs. 80 HP LeadRachi: 36.01%-42.66%
Expert Belt Hydro Pump vs. 80 HP LeadRachi: 45.15% - 53.46% (possible 2hko)

LO Grass Knot vs. 252 hp Swampert: 100%
LO Surf vs. Azelf: 80.43%-95.02% (chance to 2hko with surf+rapid spin)
LO Hydro Pump vs. Azelf: 99.99% (guaranteed 2hko if hydro pump hits)
LO Surf vs. LeadGross: 50.55%-59.62% (guaranteed 2hko)
LO Surf vs. 80 HP LeadRachi: 46.81%-55.82% (coin toss 2hko)
LO Hydro Pump vs. 80 HP LeadRachi: 58.45% - 69.25% (guaranteed 2hko)

Item choice and surf vs. hydro pump is something to consider seriously: Expert Belt keeps the ability to deal with frailer leads while letting Starmie stick around a bit longer, while Life Orb is necessary to deal with bulkier leads. Surf is again a choice of reliability vs. frail leads vs. being able to KO things like Metagross and Jirachi while also keeping greater power vs. stupid threats like scarftar/scarfrotom.

 

[Wave⁂]

Suppose we go Modest and forfeit the speed tie against Azelf.

 

[kirbyraeg]

x1.1 dmg. is it worth it just to be able to use surf to beat lead jirachi and metagross?

Losing to gengar and latias in the lategame would be frustrating though.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Hey guys, do you think the need for the Lead Poll is done? I believe Starmie has won this.

-Terywj

 

[Gates]

I still think Aerodactyl is a better lead for proactively getting rid of rocks, but whatever. Yeah let's make Starmie our lead.

 

[kirbyraeg]

As far as teammates of starmie go, I think we should go with subChamp. It can come in nice and safe on anything that would safely deal with starmie, sub on the switch, and weaken Rotom-A to the point where Yanmega could break through it safely.

I'm still confused, are we using the specs Yanmega set or the LO sweeper set?

 

[ss118]

apparently we are using specs. Why I have no idea: End-game Yanmega does so much better to base a team around compare to specs, which is better as a mid-game opener to force general holes.

I've been using a basic Starmie starter with Hydro Pump/Ice Beam/Thunderbolt/Rapid Spin @ LO. Generally powerful, forces opens teams without letting them really getting their strategies going. Brings out Blissey, so then we can plan to quickly rid of her. I wish there were better things to bring into that *****(between Toxic/Thunder Wave/Flamethrower/Ice Beam/Seismic Toss, every pokemon can be weakened in some way). Nidoking would probably be the best initial switch-in, because it likely won't Ice Beam on Starmie: but that solution is only temporary as they switch out. At that point we'd need to keep Yanmega hidden so that they'd likely let Blissey go after Starmie dies: otherwise, without some form of trapper, it will be a huge pain in our side.

Nidoking is my nomination for our 3rd team member: it does good as a general wall-breaker, comes into Blissey like no other, and gtg

 

[UltiMario]

I think we need a poll on how to use Yanmega.

Since I'm not liking the idea of Specs either.

 

[mood4food77]

i was feeling more life orb or something else
specs requires a lot of switching, something yanmega can't afford to do

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Members who support using Choice Specs Tinted Lens Yanmega please say so with your next post. - 0

Members who support using Life Orb Tinted Lens Yanmega please say so with your next post. - 2

Members who support using Life Orb Soeed Boost Yanmega please say so with your next post. - 5

Thank you,
-Terywj

 

[Bowser_Gangsta]

I support Life Orb Tinted Lens Yanmega.

Too much switching and too little versatility with the other.

 

[UltiMario]

Why can't I support Life Orb Speed Boost Yanmega? :<

 

[Terywj [태리]]

As you all know I'm basically back-plotting everything, but I'm throwing my support behind Life Orb Tinted Lens Yanmega as well.

Edit: UltiMario you can do that, my apologies.

-Terywj

 

[kirbyraeg]

Life Orb Speed Boost is the only reason to use a ****ing Yanmega in the first place.

if it isn't using specs tinted lens to support the team anyway, lol

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'll be tallying each support / vote in the last post. I'll update the thread title and OP as well.

-Terywj

 

[ss118]

Speed Boost. I'd prefer Leftovers but w/e.

 

[Gates]

Life Orb Speed Boost.

 

[supermarth64]

Lol Life Orb non-Speed Boost gets outsped by so many other Pokemon.

Speed Boost plz.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Members who support using Choice Specs Tinted Lens Yanmega please say so with your next post. - 0

Members who support using Life Orb Tinted Lens Yanmega please say so with your next post. - 2

Members who support using Life Orb Speed Boost Yanmega please say so with your next post. - 5

Life Orb Speed Boost it is.

-Terywj

 

[ss118]

So on with the team.

With that goes the poorly-made bulky offense teams, as well as the bulk of offensive teams in general.

I think stall is going to be a problem: specifically the ***** that is Blissey. And as I've stated, between Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Thunder Wave, and Toxic, there aren't a lot of switch-ins. The two main problems are the statuses: that's why I suggest the wall-breaker Nidoking as our next member for the team. It basically ****s on the majority of stall: the best part is that it's flexible:we can leave the moveset alone for a good period and figure out exactly what we want it to take out later on.

 

[UltiMario]

Breloom can absorb Toxic, block TWave with Sub, and is bulky enough to take the pitiful; Flamethrowers and Ice Beams Blissey throws out. In return it can FP opposition and Spore anything that can give it trouble.

I suggest Breloom for the same purpose, as well as introducing a physical sweeper of sorts onto the team.

 

[Wave⁂]

I suggest the wall-breaker Infernape because its ****s on the majority of stall.

 

[ss118]

I suggest the wall-breaker Infernape because its ****s on the majority of stall.

this assumption actually leads towards stall teams being heavily overprepared for infernape. Gyarados is fairly common and ****s on infernape right back.

Breloom gets too easily walled. It's called Celebi. And you can't bring a breloom directly into a blissey until it has its toxic orb activated: getting it t-wave makes it too much of a liability

 

[Wave⁂]

Celebi is weak to what Breloom is strong against: Tyranitar.

Nidoking sounds good on paper. We'll see, after some testing, if it's ideal.

 

[ss118]

well we need to get a team laid out first before we move onto testing.

The thing I like the best about Nidoking is that, unlike most other pokemon, he can change to suit the teams needs instead of the team needing to be changed around to suit his needs. And I admit it could be risky using him, but we'll see.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Nidoking can abuse Super Fang too. The immunity to Toxic and Thunder Wave is also an essential aspect which can really help Yanmega.

I know it's rare for me to be posting about the team, but that's what I think.

-Terywj

 

[Circa]

I agree with the Nidoking suggestion, for basically every reason Articanus mentioned. It's basically the safest bet you can make at this point when considering the fact that the team hasn't formulated entirely. Worse comes to worst, we can finish out the team and see if something wouldn't be more fitting. There's no harm in that.

 

[kirbyraeg]

Nidoking does not have enough staying power or offensive strength to be an OU wall-breaker. He has a good movepool and stab on ground but he has even worse attacking stats than electivire. However, going with a more defensive Nidoqueen would give the team toxic spikes+super fang support, would give similar status protection and a nice switch vs. blissey (they're not going to stay in for long once they see toxic spikes being set up and taunt keeping it from healing). Tery posted a set along the lines I'm thinking of in the RMM thread earlier.

 

[Wave⁂]

well we need to get a team laid out first before we move onto testing.

DERP


Also, I'm not sure if we need Toxic Spikes, or even want them, when we could be paralyzing or burning stuff.

 

[Riddle]

Nidoking does not have enough staying power or offensive strength to be an OU wall-breaker. He has a good movepool and stab on ground but he has even worse attacking stats than electivire. However, going with a more defensive Nidoqueen would give the team toxic spikes+super fang support, would give similar status protection and a nice switch vs. blissey (they're not going to stay in for long once they see toxic spikes being set up and taunt keeping it from healing). Tery posted a set along the lines I'm thinking of in the RMM thread earlier.

I'd just like to mention that Electivire has higher attack then lucario.