Community Create-A-Team: A New Start - Yanmega!

[Terywj [태리]]

Gyarados a wall? I havent played OU for long but I dont think thats a wise choice.

What about CroCune if we need a Bulky Water.

I know I'm limited when it comes to OU, but Bulky Gyarados is completely viable with Intimidate and a defensive EV spread. It can also use RestTalk.

-Terywj

 

[Gates]

Gyarados can be bulky but it can't be a WALL. It's just too easy to deal with for most teams.

 

[Bowser_Gangsta]

Oh goshness, completely forgot about Intimidate. Something like this?

Gyarados @ Leftovers
248 HP /248 Def / 12 Spe
Impish Nature
~ Rest
~ Sleep Talk
~ Roar
~ Waterfall

 

[Wave⁂]

so we have this now

Starmie
Yanmega
Nidoking
Breloom
Heatran

Breloom and Heatran make a great duo together, hitting at opposite sides of the spectrum and covering each others weaknesses quite well, and they also pretty much **** each others counters

as a 6th member, what should we look for?
revenge killer?
anti-metagame?
dragon type?
annoyer?
wall?

me, i say we go for a wall, we have nothing truly defensive on this team, while it's definitely not a frail team, it's defense is actually quite lacking

any suggestions? i'm feeling gyarados would do a pretty good job here

http://tracymorgan.ytmnd.com/

First off, I already posted a better version of this.

Second, we don't know if our Heatran OR our Breloom are going to be sweepers.

Therefore, we can't decide on a sixth member because we only have two.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So then we now shift our focus to each individual member and working with the specifics.

-Terywj

 

[mood4food77]

we really need something that can use SR or decide whether or not heatran or nidoking are going to take that job

OU pokes that can learn SR:
Aerodactyl
Azelf
Blissey
Bronzong
Celebi
Empoleon
Forretress
Gliscor
Heatran
Hippowdon
Infernape
Jirachi
Mamoswine
Metagross
Skarmory
Swampert
Tyranitar

and for the sake of it, here are UU pokes that can use SR:
Aggron
Claydol
Clefable
Donphan
Dugtrio
Kabutops
Mesprit
Milktank
Nidoking
Omastar
Regirock
Registeel
Rhyperior
Steelix
Torterra
Uxie

the problem with most of these pokes is that they add a weakness to our team that we're already fairly weak to (fire, ice, ground)

we could always use blissey as we do need a wall and blissey is the best special wall in the game and the combo of breloom and heatran can take the hits on the physical side and it's not really adding much in terms of weaknesses since our team does great against fighting

any other suggestions?

 

[Wave⁂]

Swampert has already been mentioned.

How about we have an informal Breloom vote?

Possible options:

SubPunch
Swords Dance
CuteLoom
Spore + Three Attacks

 

[UltiMario]

How about Pure Offense?

Spore/[FP/SE]/Seed Bomb/Mach Punch

 

[Wave⁂]

Sure, I guess.

Heatran:

Life Orb
Scarf
HeaTrap
Substitute

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Let's do one poll at a time. Current poll - Breloom..

Breloom Poll
SubPunch - 1
Swords Dance
CuteLoom
Spore + Three Attacks - 2

Please bold the option you would prefer.

-Terywj

 

[CRASHiC]

Spore plus 3 attacks.

 

[Gates]

SubPunch

To clarify, Cuteloom is with spore and stun spore right?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I'm not sure. You'd have to ask CRASHiC on that one.

-Terywj

 

[mood4food77]

spore + 3 attacks

 

[CRASHiC]

SubPunch

To clarify, Cuteloom is with spore and stun spore right?

Cuteloom is the standard Breloom with this EV set, designed specifically to counter any form of TTar.
172 HP / 204 Def / 132 Spe
The gist of how it works, switch into a TTar. Leech Seed. set up substitute. You don't have to waist a spore, you have 0 risk of being 2hk0ed even with a choice band TTar, and you will heal enough after leech seed and spore to set up a substitute and kill TTar or threaten a switch, where you can still cause havok with Focus Punch and Spore. Though its designed to fight TTar, it still works wonders against many other physical attacks, and what I love most about it is that Spore is not its focus, but its backup weapon, namely for those pesky Rotom forms.

 

[Bowser_Gangsta]

SubPunch

Unstoppable little *******.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Breloom Poll
SubPunch - 3
Swords Dance
CuteLoom
Spore + Three Attacks - 4

-Terywj

 

[Circa]

Cuteloom is the standard Breloom with this EV set, designed specifically to counter any form of TTar.
172 HP / 204 Def / 132 Spe
The gist of how it works, switch into a TTar. Leech Seed. set up substitute. You don't have to waist a spore, you have 0 risk of being 2hk0ed even with a choice band TTar,

Apart from MixTar. It outspeeds Adamant Breloom and OHKOs with either Flamethrower or Ice Beam.

Luckily for you, very few are cool enough to actually consider using MixTar. So the point is pretty void.

Spore + Three Attacks

 

[Riddle]

I'm cool enough to use Mixtar but not in ou...

Spore and 3 attacks

 

[Wave⁂]

SubPunch

Also SubPunch

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Should I just narrow the poll down to SubPunch vs. Spore+3 Attacks? Lol.

-Terywj

 

[Moozle]

Spore + 3 attacks.

Uxie with SR/light screen or reflect/ yawn/ thunderbolt is so good if pursuit didn't exist

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Breloom Poll
SubPunch - 3
Spore + Three Attacks - 6
Swords Dance
CuteLoom

-Terywj

 

[ss118]

Spore + 3 attacks

 

[CRASHiC]

Why are people voting for Sub punch if this is suppose to be a TTar counter? Cuteloom does the same thing, but more efficiently.

 

[ss118]

or you could vote 3 Attacks and use mach punch to hit tyranitar.

 

[CRASHiC]

I did.
I simply don't understand why you would vote for an EV spread that doesn't fit the purpose of the pokemon when you have the EV spread to do so as another option.

 

[ss118]

I think the difference between the two is that cuteloom forgoes an extra attack for leech seed, whereas subpunch uses either SE or Seed Bomb

Edit: for this team this is what I have
Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt
- Rapid Spin
Good coverage + power with Rapid Spin to keep SR off..... maybe we should reconsider using this as a starter and use something that doesn't lose to the current metagame(known as ScarfTar).

Yanmega (M) @ Life Orb
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 104 HP/152 Spd/252 SAtk
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Bug Buzz
- Air Slash
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Protect
Max Sp. Attack for sweeping, Dual STAB, HP Ground to hit Heatran/ Magnezone/ some other steels, Protect to scout and ensure a chance to sweep. Speed hits 264 which, after a Speed Boost, beats all base 130's. Rest went into HP for random bulk.

Nidoking (M) @ Nothing
Ability: Poison Point
EVs: 252 Atk
Lonely nature (+Atk, -Def)
Earthquake
Needs max attack to hit blissey, and needs the sp. defense to come in a couple of times. EQ 2HKOs blissey and provides the main STAB attack: but what do I do with the rest?

Breloom (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 72 HP/252 Atk/184 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Seed Bomb
- Stone Edge
- Spore
- Mach Punch
Seed Bomb for primary STAB, SE to hit common switch-ins, Spore is gay and Mach Punch for revenging/ checking threats. Max attack with 222 speed to beat adamant T-Tar. Rest was put into HP for random bulk(like Yanmega).

Heatran (M) @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 4 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Stealth Rock
- Explosion
I decided that since we have Nidoking coming into Blissey all the time we didn't need to rely on this to OHKO her: meaning we could keep the bulk and use the resistances available. Fire Blast + Earth Power provide good coverage, where SR is for the first switch-in. Explosion provides the final bang, killing stuff.

 

[UltiMario]

Not sure about EVs at this point, but I'm seeing a Nidoking... say...

Nidoking@Leftovers/Life Orb
Lonely/Poison Point
252Atk/X
EQ
Toxic Spikes
Ice Beam
Sucker Punch

Maybe TBolt over something?

EQ gets rid of Blissey, he provides TSpikes support, Ice Beam provides coverage, and Sucker Punch or TBolt I guess are toss-ups. Sucker Punch lets you take down Latias. But TBolt, assuming we run enough speed and SpA, can take down Gyara if it switches in before it can do anything.

 

[Gates]

Why not use TBolt over Ice Beam and Toxic over Toxic Spikes? Toxic seems like it would be better since you can hit Gliscor, Latias, and others with it. The only thing we'd really need Ice Beam against instead of TBolt would be Latias (who we have Sucker Punch for) and Gliscor (who we lose to anyway).

I'm tired so pardon me if my thinking is askew.

 

[UltiMario]

I was thinking TBolt over Ice Beam, but I wasn't sure.

Also Toxic Spikes for actually hitting things later in the game after Nidoking is dead.

 

[mood4food77]

for heatran, i would replace explosion with dragon pulse, we dont' have anything that hits dragons for SE damage really and heatran can switch in on latias A LOT better than nidoking can

 

[Riddle]

Nah last pokemon needs to be a latias counter anyway.

Scarftar is good

Spoiler

if you are uncreative

 

[UltiMario]

We could use BaitTar.

 

[mood4food77]

wouldn't tyranitar really hurt yanmega though?

and outside of HP ground, what is latias hitting heatran with?

 

[Riddle]

We could use BaitTar.

What is BaitTar going to bait though?

In case you couldn't tell there is a spoiler in my last post.

and outside of HP ground, what is latias hitting heatran with?

Surf. Also if he calm minds even once then dragon Pulse does like nothing.

 

[mood4food77]

i completely forgot latias has surf

i mean, dragon pulse can help check latias
it's obvious we need something to stop it, among other thigns

 

[Wave⁂]

Also if she calm minds even once then dragon Pulse does like nothing.

Blissey counters all Latias without Refresh. Throw on Ice Beam to hit Salamence switch-ins, maybe.

 

[mood4food77]

i was going to suggest blissey

and with blissey, it can run SR, allowing heatran to be a complete sweeper, and help us with the special defense since our physical defense is stronger (most of our pokes counter physical sweepers as opposed to special sweepers)

 

[UltiMario]

New info from trying out team:

We need something to get rid of Mence.