Clone Ganondorf or Sword Ganondorf?

[Tacel]

Clone Ganondorf (Captain Falcon's moveset)
or
Ganondorf with his sword?

Which one would you rather play as?

(This is a "Which one would you want to play as?" thread.
Don't turn it into a "Why doesn't Ganondorf has his sword as a weapon?" thread.)

 

[bleyva]

ganondorf uses his twin blades from wind waker with a few attacks borrowed from the CF moveset.

PIMP

 

[n88]

Do you know how many people complain, rightfully, that Sakurai put tripping in the game? Well, there are just as many who complain that Ganondorf has a sword. NOBODY LIKES GANONDORF BEING A CLONE OF CAPTAIN FALCON

 

[kr3wman]

I'd rather play a Viable Ganondorf than a gimmicky and slow as **** one with a sword.

But both and you got me.

 

[Project D]

I'd imagine how many more people would use Ganondorf if he was equipped with sword(s) (wind waker version) or twilight version (which is 1)

I doubt many people even like clones, but made slower/more powever etc.

 

[kingdomofthehearts_snucas]

Personally, I like the clone, works fine for me :D

 

[goodoldganon]

Are we talking about the Phantom Wings Sword Ganon hack or just if Ganon was designed from the ground up to have a sword?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsGm3XsBFmI

 

[Shadow13]

i think that gannon would be better with a sword, even in melee when he didn't suck
granted, i think a trident would be cooler, that was more of his defining weapon, not even mentioning the fact that that wouldn't add another sword character to the game

 

[BloodBird]

Sword for anyother reason that I hate clones, there are way too many of them, like the creators are super lazy or something.

 

[T-block]

I think most people would say they'd prefer an original character over a clone character =\

 

[:mad:]

I don't consider him a clone.
He's hardly like CF at all. And he's a powerhouse, he doesn't need weapons. You're all women and don't even use Ganondorf in the first place and you're bad and you should feel bad.

 

[BloodBird]

I don't consider him a clone.
He's hardly like CF at all. And he's a powerhouse, he doesn't need weapons. You're all women and don't even use Ganondorf in the first place and you're bad and you should feel bad.

Yes he's not a clone in the sense that he's "slower, more powerful, heavier and looks different" but that's not what makes him a clone, his moveset is way to similar to Falcon, to be considered an original character. Now I am specifically reffering to his Melee form, perhaps for Brawl they individualized him a bit, but even so, he still has a clone background and still even in brawl has clone moves, lots of them.

 

[Shadow13]

I don't consider him a clone.
He's hardly like CF at all. And he's a powerhouse, he doesn't need weapons. You're all women and don't even use Ganondorf in the first place and you're bad and you should feel bad.

what is Gannon's nB base off of, in Zelda when he goes ROOOOOAAAAWWWW! and uses the "Gannon Punch"?
most of their moves are about the same

 

[:mad:]

You don't quite understand.
That was me trolling.

Define clone, by the way.

 

[Shadow13]

You don't quite understand.
That was me trolling.

Define clone, by the way.

oh, ok about the just trolling
but a clone has a near identical moveset, and with CF and Gannon, that is it
i say having all same special moves and sharing FS makes a character a clone, too
yeah, the Star Fox Triple Fuc* (Falco and Wolf are good, but still)

 

[:mad:]

Their moves have different properties, they just look the same. Same with Melee Mario and Doc.

Still. You're wayyy too opinionated.

 

[mofo_]

sword ganondorf, i hope pw or some other hacker improves him (stupid saber sound)

 

[kr3wman]

Doesn't Ganondorf have a jablock with the melee weapons?

LOL 60% combos-at-any-%.

 

[BloodBird]

Just to straighten things out, here is a list of Clone's and who they are clone's of and btw I consider someone a clone when at least 4 of their moves are the same or variations of other characters.
I mean characters only have like "not counting arial" 7 or 8 moves, thats about half.

Dr. Mario - 100% Direct Clone of Mario, biggest clone ever.
Falco - Clone of Fox - less of a clone in Melee, but still clone
Ganondorf - Clone of Captain Falcon, not much less in Melee
Young Link - Clone of Link
Pichu - Clone of Pikachu
Roy - Clone of Marth
Toon Link - Clone of Link (can you believe they actually made another clone)
Wolf - Clone of Fox (again? cmon a triplicate is just stupid.)
Lucas - Clone of Ness

Point of refference time, what makes someone not a clone, Ike is not a clone, because even though some of his moves are like Marth's not enough of them are similar making him his own character.

Tally of clones?
9, 9 wasted character movesets, that could otherwise have been made much cooler, or in the cases of Dr. Mario and Pichu, could have been used for better characters.

Just a little sidenote here, out of the 10 characters in the original Smash Bros, 6 of them as you can see had clones made of them.

 

[Shadow13]

Just to straighten things out, here is a list of Clone's and who they are clone's of and btw I consider someone a clone when at least 4 of their moves are the same or variations of other characters.
I mean characters only have like "not counting arial" 7 or 8 moves, thats about half.

Dr. Mario - 100% Direct Clone of Mario, biggest clone ever.
Falco - Clone of Fox - less of a clone in Melee, but still clone
Ganondorf - Clone of Captain Falcon, not much less in Melee
Young Link - Clone of Link
Pichu - Clone of Pikachu
Roy - Clone of Marth
Toon Link - Clone of Link (can you believe they actually made another clone)
Wolf - Clone of Fox (again? cmon a triplicate is just stupid.)
Lucas - Clone of Ness

Point of refference time, what makes someone not a clone, Ike is not a clone, because even though some of his moves are like Marth's not enough of them are similar making him his own character.

Tally of clones?
9, 9 wasted character movesets, that could otherwise have been made much cooler, or in the cases of Dr. Mario and Pichu, could have been used for better characters.

Just a little sidenote here, out of the 10 characters in the original Smash Bros, 6 of them as you can see had clones made of them.

I call the triple clone the Star Fox Triple Fuc*
lol

 

[:mad:]

Dr. Mario and Mario were different in more ways than you know. Seriously. Although it's cute you try to list clones.

And you're seriously trying to make me believe Lucas is a clone of Ness?
lololololol.

And Wolf is completely original, he's in no way a clone.

10idiots.

 

[Shadow13]

Dr. Mario and Mario were different in more ways than you know. Seriously. Although it's cute you try to list clones.

And you're seriously trying to make me believe Lucas is a clone of Ness?
lololololol.

And Wolf is completely original, he's in no way a clone.

10idiots.

uh, let me see
Wolf has reflector? check, gun? check, illusion move? check, up attack that you aim then quickly go that direction? check
Tank for FS? check
and Dr. Mario's trophy in melee says something along the lines of "Dr. Mario and Mario are about the same, so the choice is mainly by taste"
duh Straked

 

[kr3wman]

The term Spacies is like shotos of street fighter.

Same special, yet work differently and different moveset/hitbox/properties etc.

Not clones :/ Pichu/Y.Link/Dr.Mario were totally clones tho.

 

[JigglyPunch]

I prefer sword Ganondorf.

 

[SpongeBathBill]

Tally of clones?
9, 9 wasted character movesets, that could otherwise have been made much cooler, or in the cases of Dr. Mario and Pichu, could have been used for better characters.

Just a little sidenote here, out of the 10 characters in the original Smash Bros, 6 of them as you can see had clones made of them.

First of all, there are 12 characters in the original Smash Bros....

Anyway, don't think of it as 9 wasted movesets - think of it as 9 "bonus" characters who would never have made it into the game because there's not enough development resources to make 9 additional characters, or at least the game would have spent a lot more time in development.
(Actually, more accurately it's not 9 bonus characters but more like 7 bonus characters, since it still takes development resources to create clones.)


To answer the question, to me the sheer coolness factor of having Ganondorf with sword destroys the current version (though it's not like the series needs another swordsman). Maybe Brawl Ganon should have been a clone of Ike instead.

Lol, that'd piss off his fans.

 

[Sosuke]

I don't think anyone would say cloned Ganon at this point.

 

[REL38]

I wanna say to incorporate the sword into his moveset, but not have it souly rely on it. He should have some attacks use the sword and others use physical attacks. Just sword would make him very different.

 

[MAtgSy]

Neither

 

[PHiL Gee]

I loved Ganondorf in Melee. Id rather have him a "clone"
But if they made a Toon Ganon with 2 swords... I would of had to go take a dump when it said "New Challenger Aproaching" and I saw an outline of this giant man with 2 swords.

 

[PHiL Gee]

Just to straighten things out, here is a list of Clone's and who they are clone's of and btw I consider someone a clone when at least 4 of their moves are the same or variations of other characters.
I mean characters only have like "not counting arial" 7 or 8 moves, thats about half.

Dr. Mario - 100% Direct Clone of Mario, biggest clone ever.
Falco - Clone of Fox - less of a clone in Melee, but still clone
Ganondorf - Clone of Captain Falcon, not much less in Melee
Young Link - Clone of Link
Pichu - Clone of Pikachu
Roy - Clone of Marth
Toon Link - Clone of Link (can you believe they actually made another clone)
Wolf - Clone of Fox (again? cmon a triplicate is just stupid.)
Lucas - Clone of Ness

Point of refference time, what makes someone not a clone, Ike is not a clone, because even though some of his moves are like Marth's not enough of them are similar making him his own character.

Tally of clones?
9, 9 wasted character movesets, that could otherwise have been made much cooler, or in the cases of Dr. Mario and Pichu, could have been used for better characters.

Just a little sidenote here, out of the 10 characters in the original Smash Bros, 6 of them as you can see had clones made of them.

What the hell????

Ganondorf was different then CF in alot of ways.

Young Link is the faster but weaker Link, not a clone. Hes a character for people who take speed over strenght

Wolf a clone? He may have similar special moves but they are all different. The illusion side B thing goes perpendicular(in a way), his reflector is not as good and as cool as fox's, his blaster is stronger, makes them flinch but less range and his moves aerials and ground attacks are not even close to being the same.

Lucas is NOT a clone of Ness. Hes totally different! I cant believe you decided to post - Lucas- Clone of ness.

Toon Link is way different from Link. His bomb is more like ninja smoke, arrows are bigger, he jumps higher, runs faster, boomerang is nowhere near Link's boomerang, He doesnt use kicks, he does less damage. If anything hes the Young Link of Brawl but not a clone of anyone.

Lol. Ike's moves are not even similar to Marth except Counter, but even that is different!

 

[Norm]

Ya I would want ganondorf to have his own move set being the major villain in the LoZ series he deserves one.

 

[BloodBird]

I said Ike was different from Marth didn't I? And I don't disagree that Wofl and Lucas and those guysare different, I love Lucas, but I'd prefer it if they didn't have more than one move copied from the other characters especially final smashes, that is where they become clones, and no variation like a pill instead of fire, or a side swipe across (fox/falco) instead of a sideswipe diagnoally (wolf) really changes the fact that it is the same move.

 

[PHiL Gee]

They are (in your words) clones just because they come from the same game?
Except in Lucas and Ness's case, but you know what I mean

 

[Tacel]

Ganondorf has been in so many Zelda games, that he deserves to have his own moveset.
Making Ganondorf a clone is like making Zelda a clone.

I would play as Ganondorf if he had his sword(s).

 

[GigaBowserXyZ]

sword ganondorf

 

[BloodBird]

They are (in your words) clones just because they come from the same game?
Except in Lucas and Ness's case, but you know what I mean

No, Ganondorf is a clone of Captain Falcon because his moveset is "BASED" off oh Falcon's. BASED.

 

[IWontGetOverTheDam]

Well, he would be terrible either way. But in terms of who would be more fun to play with, Sword Ganondorf fo' sho'.

 

[Alus]

I believe that a clone is a character that goes with a very similar strategy not a moveset...Captain falcon focuses on chasing his opponent down with aggression ...sending them into the air/ offstage,and then ****** them ...while ganon...because of his speed and jump height ...is going to have to figure out how to stay close to his opponent and punish any bad move the opponent makes while being at risk of being punished if you are wrong...

In other words...

If you tried playing Ganon the same way as Falcon you will get *****...

 

[PHiL Gee]

No, Ganondorf is a clone of Captain Falcon because his moveset is "BASED" off oh Falcon's. BASED.

He is still very different. He is just based, not a clone. A clone is Marth and Roy, Pikachu and Pichu.

 

[BloodBird]

Ok let's go back on topic then, Sword Ganondorf is a much better choice, I mean it's silly that they would even use his sword as a taunt if there isn't one move that attacks with it.