Now that is just polemical talk. No way is what I'm saying childish, and yes lots of people have a low opinion on the Sonic fanbase.
Secondly, I have already given plenty of good reasoning why a second Sonic character would be a poor choice.
Here is some more articulation on that matter:
As mentioned earlier, one of the qualifiers used by the Project M team for possible newcomers is that the character needs to appear in at least some form in Brawl. This basically rules out any additional third-party characters from being added in aside from those that hail from the Metal Gear or Sonic series.
While there is very little interest for a Metal Gear newcomer, there does exist interest in an additional Sonic character. The problem is similar to that of the Mario series, there is little agreement on who should be the second Sonic character. Also, unlike the Mario series, most people feel that there should not be a Sonic newcomer. Many people are extremely apprehensive about the idea of a guest series receiving an additional character.
There is also the problem that the Sonic series has a rather notorious reputation for having perhaps the most insane and infantile fandom of every video game franchise. For many people, giving the Sonic series a second playable character would signal the Project M team is filled with “furries and deviantart weirdoes”.
Although characters like Shadow or Knuckles could easily be modified into being a clone of Sonic, the problem is that many, many people simply don’t want additional Sonic characters in. Shadow in particular has many haters, even from within fans of the Sonic franchise.
There is also the matter of trying to keep this game true to the Smash Bros. tradition. Sakurai himself has wanted to restrict the amount of third-party characters in Smash Bros. because above all, Smash Bros. is a game about Nintendo All-Stars. Sakurai also has the additional qualifier that guest characters need to be particularly legendary video game characters. No one would question that Snake, Sonic, and Mega Man are iconic and “legendary” video game characters, but good luck convincing most people that Shadow or Knuckles would fit a similar description.
These characters are certainly important to the Sonic series, but within the context of Smash Bros. as a series for Nintendo’s All-Stars and history altogether, these are characters that are not appropriate.
It really is quite childish, speaking for the majority of the nation who plays games? Yea I'd say that is, but there's no point in arguing with you on this
I've seen your reasoning already and have already commented on it
And where is this extra articulation coming from? What source? Is it a member of the PMBR?
Ina any case I'll pick this apart:
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While there is very little interest for a Metal Gear newcomer, there does exist interest in an additional Sonic character. The problem is similar to that of the Mario series, there is little agreement on who should be the second Sonic character. Also, unlike the Mario series, most people feel that there should not be a Sonic newcomer. Many people are extremely apprehensive about the idea of a guest series receiving an additional character."
"Although characters like Shadow or Knuckles could easily be modified into being a clone of Sonic, the problem is that many, many people simply don’t want additional Sonic characters in. Shadow in particular has many haters, even from within fans of the Sonic franchise. "
Again, someone speaking for the majority, that's just plain poor reasoning, I don't understand why people do this, it does nothing to support an argument. I have a **** ton of friends IRL and I know plenty of people who love the Metal Gear series and would love to have Gray Fox, and almost everyone I know loves Sonic Adventure 2, but I don't tout this as the majority opinion, it serves no purpose
If you're going to do that, put in some official data at least, look here:
http://sonic.sega.jp/SonicChannel/event/016/index.html
It's a poll showing the popularity of Sonic characters from the official japanese website, Shadow is at #2, I know it doesn't represent everyone's thoughts obviously, but it's a an official reflection of popularity, and it's better than any of these other blind claims you've made
My though process was, we can have another character, oh well the Sonic series is very iconic and has a lot of noteable characters, so who's the most popular? Hmm I remember a lot of people liking Shadow, I looked up some official representation, and well there we go, I don't see it as a bad way to think
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There is also the problem that the Sonic series has a rather notorious reputation for having perhaps the most insane and infantile fandom of every video game franchise. For many people, giving the Sonic series a second playable character would signal the Project M team is filled with “furries and deviantart weirdoes”."
This is just horrible reasoning, the reason we shouldn't have another character is because it would "
signal the Project M team is filled with “furries and deviantart weirdoes".......Really......really? Does anyone honestly think this is a good argument? Because it's just plain silly, equating a 2nd Sonic character added to everyone in the PMBR being furries, and somehow connecting that with support of not having another Sonic rep
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There is also the matter of trying to keep this game true to the Smash Bros. tradition"
And in tradition, characters that get added are the ones gamers want, and not just hardcore Smash Bros players, but casual gamers too. Did I miss something here? I thought Project: M was trying to appeal to everyone, not just the hardcore Smash audience, I thought this is why we didn't have every level turned into a competitive stage.
But whatever, if this is the best you can do for support, that is, just a bunch of blind claims of what the majority of people out there like, then I've seen all I'm going to see from you, good day
Lol. I'm sorry. Let me step up my maturity up to your standards.
My fellow near and dear poster––Shadow, the noble and wonderfully designed Hedgehog legitimately contributed a much needed emotional heft to my childhood franchise, "Sonic the Hedgehog", that I have supported since that beloved blue blur based on Bill Clinton came spinning onto Genesis. But, in all of that platforming and saving animals and fighting corporate greed and capitalism's attempts at destroying the eco-system, I told myself, "something is missing. They aren't truly reaching me, a product of the pre-millennium era, with a familar enough character, color scheme, or story I can truly connect with."
And as I muttered the words, a scremo inspired Sonic drove by on a motorcycle, and slapped my Funk-Jazz boxset out of my hands. He pulled out a Michael Jackson CD from my jacket and snapped it in half. "Who the hell is this weirdo. Thank God I never had to listen to his crap in MY games" he grumbled.
"Who are you" I asked, disconcertedly? "Have you come to save the animals who have been kidnapped by Dr. Robotnik, as he continues to deforest Green Hillzone and build Wasteplants and Casinos all over?
He looks into the Windows of my Soul. "I was genetically created in a laboratory by Dr. Robotnik's grandfather, forged with the blood and DNA of an Alien named Black Doom to be a super weapon. But I possess the heart and soul of Dr. Robotnik's daughter, Maria. I am the ultimate life form, and the rest of you are, by design, inferior. By the way, my supremacist attitude is paired with a taste for high-end firearms, semi-automatic weapons, heavy assault weapons, and fist fighting.
So no, my pal, it is not an exaggeration to say Shadow the Hedgehog took a **** on one of the original 3 most iconic console game franchises in history. He may end up in PM, and if he does––his mains will move me to derive great pleasure in lining the landscape with PKFire barbecues with him nestled softly on the pyre.
You used fancier vocabulary, but it's still an immature pile of crap, I was hoping to see more reasonable people on these boards, apparently this is all you can contribute as well, that's more than enough for me to form a low opinion on you, have a nice day.
