Clone Engine Discussion (The ARF Engine.)

[ds22]

I know that, but when will you return to the Clone Engine (not soon I suspect)?

 

[ds22]

@Dantarion
Something you may or may not find interesting:

...
Anyway, I found something out.
Those patched module crashes occur when the patched character enter the stage, which could indicate that either articles are loaded very late or that there may be something else which causes these crashes.

... When a patched character enters the stage in VS mode WITHOUT the origin character, the game crashes when the camera goes to the patched character even before it has the change to load the battle portrait and name.

 

[Numbuh 214]

[deleted for stupidity]

So yeah, that's interesting to note.

 

[standardtoaster]

I don't know if this is of any use, but I made a list of every character's sound bank id.

Mario - 1
Fox - A
Pikachu - B
Luigi - C
Captain - D
Ness - E
Koopa - F
Peach - 10
Zelda - 11
Sheik - 11
Popo - 12
Nana - 12
Marth - 13
Gamewatch - 14
Falco - 15
Ganon - 16
Wario - 17
Metaknight - 4
Pit - 3
SZerosuit - 7
Pikmin - 18
Lucas - 19
Diddy - 1A
Poketrainer - 1B
Pokelizardon - 1C
Pokezenigame - 1D
Pokefushigisou - 1E
Dedede - 5
Lucario - 1F
Ike - 20
Robot - 21
Pramai - FFFFFFFF
Purin - 22
Mewtwo - FFFFFFFF
Roy - FFFFFFFF
DR_Mario - FFFFFFFF
Toonlink - 23
Toonzelda - FFFFFFFF
Toonsheik - FFFFFFFF
Wolf - 24
Dixie - FFFFFFFF
Snake - 25
Sonic - 26
GKoopa - FFFFFFFF
Warioman - FFFFFFFF
Zakoboy - 28
Zakogirl - 28
Zakochild - 28
Zakoball - 28
MarioD - 1

 

[Dantarion]

Sound bank 27?

 

[Numbuh 214]

Indeed; unless you forgot someone, it doesn't seem to be used.

 

[standardtoaster]

lol, sound bank 27 is apparently unused, at least for characters that is.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

What about DK, Link, Samus, Yoshi, and Kirby's IDs??

Anyway, isn't FFFFFFFF another way of saying N/A?

 

[Dantarion]

all FF = -1, meaning none.
If that value is in there, the game doesn't attempt to load or free a sound bank

 

[standardtoaster]

Eternal Yoshi, I'll check it out later today and see what I missed.

EDIT: lmao I didn't copy all of my list.

Mario - 1
Donkey - 6
Link - 2
Samus - 7
Yoshi - 8
Kirby - 9
Fox - A
Pikachu - B
Luigi - C
Captain - D
Ness - E
Koopa - F
Peach - 10
Zelda - 11
Sheik - 11
Popo - 12
Nana - 12
Marth - 13
Gamewatch - 14
Falco - 15
Ganon - 16
Wario - 17
Metaknight - 4
Pit - 3
SZerosuit - 7
Pikmin - 18
Lucas - 19
Diddy - 1A
Poketrainer - 1B
Pokelizardon - 1C
Pokezenigame - 1D
Pokefushigisou - 1E
Dedede - 5
Lucario - 1F
Ike - 20
Robot - 21
Pramai - FFFFFFFF
Purin - 22
Mewtwo - FFFFFFFF
Roy - FFFFFFFF
DR_Mario - FFFFFFFF
Toonlink - 23
Toonzelda - FFFFFFFF
Toonsheik - FFFFFFFF
Wolf - 24
Dixie - FFFFFFFF
Snake - 25
Sonic - 26
GKoopa - FFFFFFFF
Warioman - FFFFFFFF
Zakoboy - 28
Zakogirl - 28
Zakochild - 28
Zakoball - 28
MarioD - 1

 

[br3compactor]

Can you also make it so the game can load from this unused sound banks (making them useable)?
I mean using their character slots + sound slots.

 

[standardtoaster]

Yes I can change what soundbank a character uses. No I cannot make sfx from one of these soundbanks available without that person in the match.

 

[Captain Kwark]

How can you change the Franchise ID's?

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Nice bump.

Maybe this will help?

http://opensa.dantarion.com/wiki/IC-Constants

 

[standardtoaster]

I don't know where IC-Constants are in memory. Captain Kwark, you would do so by finding where they are in memory and then making a code to change its value. lol. I could make a code to swap around franchise ids.

 

[br3compactor]

Dantarion once started a research on victory themes and found out the game was originally supposed to have one Victory theme per character instead of per franchise. I'd be very happy if he were to make a code for individual Victory themes.

 

[[TSON]]

Was already made?

 

[standardtoaster]

Dantarion once started a research on victory themes and found out the game was originally supposed to have one Victory theme per character instead of per franchise. I'd be very happy if he were to make a code for individual Victory themes.

Wrong, the game already had the list of ids for each character because it needs to know what song should play for each given character.

 

[Numbuh 214]

New page, same game.

Anyways, the victory theme split code in question does in fact work; but as of now, it forces you to replace music in the game AFAIK (reason being that you can't make it point to unused songs that you cannot overwrite). Removing this limitation would be nice, but this is far more important.

 

[ds22]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP1AszZGiT0
Little vid I made.

 

[Segtendo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP1AszZGiT0
Little vid I made.

Very interesting.

 

[Numbuh 214]

Cool disguised bump, modbro.

 

[SmashClash]

I just thought of something...What if the clone engine will some day allow more than 7 additional characters? Then maybe we can add pages to the CSS. [/idea]

 

[BSL]

Dant already said he was working on an expansion code like PW did with the stages. Here's to hoping it becomes easy to use.

 

[NintendoShadowMario]

I just thought of something...What if the clone engine will some day allow more than 7 additional characters? Then maybe we can add pages to the CSS. [/idea]

Can the game space support more then the forbidden 7?

 

[Dantarion]

Ill work on it when I feel like it

 

[Skyground95]

YAY! Someone is trying this!

Here is the current issue.
Somehow, the game still wants to associate the other character with the slot.
As a result, if you replace a multijump character with a non-multijump one, you get a crash.

That's probably because the non-multijump character don't have the right files in
Fit----MotionEtc.pac, like a multijump character have.
EXAMPLE: Green Alloy have the animations JumpAerialF, F2, F3, F4 & F5 in his FitZakoBallMotionEtc.pac
while Blue Alloy have only JumpAerialF in his FitZakoBoyMotionEtc.pac,
so if we try to use Blue Alloy over Green Alloy, we will most likely get a freeze when trying to use aerial jump, because Blue Alloy don't have the right files.

 

[standardtoaster]

Skyground95, lol that's been fixed for quite a while. IC-Constants control whether the character is read internally as a multijumper or not.

 

[Dantarion]

That's probably because the non-multijump character don't have the right files in
Fit----MotionEtc.pac, like a multijump character have.
EXAMPLE: Green Alloy have the animations JumpAerialF, F2, F3, F4 & F5 in his FitZakoBallMotionEtc.pac
while Blue Alloy have only JumpAerialF in his FitZakoBoyMotionEtc.pac,
so if we try to use Blue Alloy over Green Alloy, we will most likely get a freeze when trying to use aerial jump, because Blue Alloy don't have the right files.

Also, some of your information is wrong. If the game tries to load a subaction that a character doesn't have an animation for, you get a t-pose. This is actually used in the game. Fox's final smash actually switches to subaction -1, which t-poses fox, and makes the model invisible.

The freeze I was getting when putting Roy in his own slot was caused by the game trying to load the MultiJump data from Roy's .pac, which he has a null offset to (since he doesn't have that data)

That is why Marth->Jiggs didnt work right.

IC-Constant data controls which jump action the game uses in PSA. For the forbidden 7, that information is pretty much nulled out. One thing that is weird though is that characters that can multi jump have a 0, and characters that jump normal have a 1.

 

[ds22]

The F7 also all have there U13 set to 1 (in which U13 is still unknown).
Also, no news on the whole article problem?

 

[duffmmann]

This is awesome, I can't wait for it to be finished. I have a question though, will this allow for custom transforming characters to take up a slot? Say if the Bowser Jr/Shadow Mario characters get complete, would you be able to have a transforming character like that take up a new slot? And if so would it interfere in its counterpart (presumably Zelda/Sheik), cuz if not, then this code is going to be even more amazing than I could have ever hoped for.

 

[Ultraxwing]

I think (in my mind) that's not possible as of now, so if you get characters that of which, turn into other characters via by example Samus and Zero Suit, and Zelda and Sheik, the clone engine would have to find their identifiers. or of that sort. what i'm trying to say is. it might not be possible...


as of now.

 

[Dantarion]

It hasnt even been tried.

 

[Ultraxwing]

well, would it work?

 

[GP&B]

Dant doesn't have access to a Wii so he wouldn't know yet. It'd all be theory until properly tested.

 

[br3compactor]

AFAIK, it's already possible, with PSA, to determine which character you'll turn into.

 

[standardtoaster]

...lol

br3compactor, try changing what character zelda changes to with psa.

 

[Dantarion]

Yeah, please do.
Especially since they share a module and both movesets are loaded at once.

 

[br3compactor]

AFAIK

Also, turns out I was wrong, it was a different thing. You can turn into someone else in the middle of the battle, but not the way I thought:

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=12177

You can check his other stuff here, with killable "summon":

http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?ByUserID=4090&Moderated=All

 

[DiamondbodySharpshooter]

The first thing I thought about seeing that video was, "What if we could do interesting Marvel Vs. Capcom matches where you switch characters midbattle?